JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[JohnWick]

Agreed

Why risk your aerial assets, when Pakistan's BM can deliver overwhelming conventional firepower against Mumbai with pin-point accuracy. The effectiveness of BM's were demonstrated when the Iranians launched them against the US. Bear in mind, Pakistan's BM are far more deadly and lethal compared to the Iranian.

BM can result in apocalyptic war that's why.

 

[MastanKhan]

Agreed

Why risk your aerial assets, when Pakistan's BM can deliver overwhelming conventional firepower against Mumbai with pin-point accuracy. The effectiveness of BM's were demonstrated when the Iranians launched them against the US. Bear in mind, Pakistan's BM are far more deadly and lethal compared to the Iranian.

Hi,

Iran showed nothing---. It got lucky that the passenger aircraft got shot down by them---. Otherwise the rubble at multiple locations from F35 strikes would be worth watching---.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Hi,

Iran showed nothing---. It got lucky that the passenger aircraft got shot down by them---. Otherwise the rubble at multiple locations from F35 strikes would be worth watching---.

for someone who keeps complaining about 'christian crusaders violating the muslim world' you sure sound very keen on witnessing a confrontation between the US and Iran

 

[MastanKhan]

for someone who keeps complaining about 'christian crusaders violating the muslim world' you sure sound very keen on witnessing a confrontation between the US and Iran

Hi,

It is Iran that has been asking for it---.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Hi,

It is Iran that has been asking for it---.

Yup

Afghanistan was asking for it too...so was Iraq,Yemen,Libya,Syria and you know how it goes

 

[notorious_eagle]

Hi,

Iran showed nothing---. It got lucky that the passenger aircraft got shot down by them---. Otherwise the rubble at multiple locations from F35 strikes would be worth watching---.

The payload of a ballistic missile is far more then what an F35 would be able to deliver. That's simple and plain physics. Indian Skies are well defended. Why risk an aircraft when multiple missiles can deliver far more payload with pinpoint accuracy.

BM can result in apocalyptic war that's why.

Any weapon can result in that. Bottom line, its important to demonstrate what damage Pakistan can do.

 

[MastanKhan]

The payload of a ballistic missile is far more then what an F35 would be able to deliver. That's simple and plain physics. Indian Skies are well defended. Why risk an aircraft when multiple missiles can deliver far more payload with pinpoint accuracy.



Any weapon can result in that. Bottom line, its important to demonstrate what damage Pakistan can do.

Son,

Ask me why I am saying what I am saying---.

BM's maybe used when the air force is nil---null & void---.

Yup

Afghanistan was asking for it too...so was Iraq,Yemen,Libya,Syria and you know how it goes

Hi,

If you know what happens when you go "asking"---it would be prudent then not to go "asking for it"---.

That is what a sensible leader would do---now won't they---. But then---when did the muslims ever had sensible leadership---???

 

[PakFactor]

Son,

Ask me why I am saying what I am saying---.

BM's maybe used when the air force is nil---null & void---.



Hi,

If you know what happens when you go "asking"---it would be prudent then not to go "asking for it"---.

That is what a sensible leader would do---now won't they---. But then---when did the muslims ever had sensible leadership---???

Well besides Prophet Muhammad PBUH and the 1st four Caliphs, we’ve not had any good leaders. Lots of people praise Salad Din as a good leader and model, but if you look into it deeply he was a failure as well — problem I’ve seen is that our leaders fail to deliver the final blow that secures the ultimate victory. Failure to deal the final blow comes back and bites hard when the enemy regroups. Only point I agree with you is on Feb 27th should have taken out other IAF planes we had a lock on and freely test SD-10 and take out the sub our failure would come back and haunt us. We should have gone Israeli on them fuckers to show we wouldn’t let even a single strike go unpunished.

Knocking out the other planes would have allowed us to check various parameters of SD-10 in actual combat and allows us to go back to the drawing board to fix any issues technical related. And allowed us to build a newer block with improved software etc.

 

[Bossman]

Well besides Prophet Muhammad PBUH and the 1st four Caliphs, we’ve not had any good leaders. Lots of people praise Salad Din as a good leader and model, but if you look into it deeply he was a failure as well — problem I’ve seen is that our leaders fail to deliver the final blow that secures the ultimate victory. Failure to deal the final blow comes back and bites hard when the enemy regroups. Only point I agree with you is on Feb 27th should have taken out other IAF planes we had a lock on and freely test SD-10 and take out the sub our failure would come back and haunt us. We should have gone Israeli on them fuckers to show we wouldn’t let even a single strike go unpunished.

Knocking out the other planes would have allowed us to check various parameters of SD-10 in actual combat and allows us to go back to the drawing board to fix any issues technical related. And allowed us to build a newer block with improved software etc.

What makes you so smart, Mr know it all? Some of the stuff you wrote in your post is the silliest stuff I have read on this forum since it started.

 

[MastanKhan]

Well besides Prophet Muhammad PBUH and the 1st four Caliphs, we’ve not had any good leaders. Lots of people praise Salad Din as a good leader and model, but if you look into it deeply he was a failure as well — problem I’ve seen is that our leaders fail to deliver the final blow that secures the ultimate victory. Failure to deal the final blow comes back and bites hard when the enemy regroups. Only point I agree with you is on Feb 27th should have taken out other IAF planes we had a lock on and freely test SD-10 and take out the sub our failure would come back and haunt us. We should have gone Israeli on them fuckers to show we wouldn’t let even a single strike go unpunished.

Knocking out the other planes would have allowed us to check various parameters of SD-10 in actual combat and allows us to go back to the drawing board to fix any issues technical related. And allowed us to build a newer block with improved software etc.

Hi,

Salahuddin achieved his primary goal and since then we had Jerusalem till we lost it recently---.

My concern has always been---1965 war---1971 war---top generals are having whiskey drinking binge parties in the middle of the war and sexual orgies and nothing was done about it---.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

But then---when did the muslims ever had sensible leadership---???

As you are so will you be ruled - Hadis-i Sherif

If the people are sensible their leader is also sensible....

 

[PakFactor]

What makes you so smart, Mr know it all? Some of the stuff you wrote in your post is the silliest stuff I have read on this forum since it started.

You miss the point I was making about hitting the enemy hard when their is opportune time.

I don't claim to be an expert but I've spent enough time studying military theories to have a good enough opinion to stand on.

In the 1st Crusade, Jerusalem, was captured by the Crusaders establishing the Christian Levant. The 2nd Crusade, Saladin comes along and retakes Jerusalem. The 3rd Crusade resulted in the Ramla Agreement to keep the status quo as is in the region for some time -- Saladin kept Jerusalem, however, the main parts - Coastal Cities - where kept by the Crusaders and they also captured the City of Acre which gives direct landing platform (beachhead) into the area, among other territories that give inland access to Muslim lands. Richard leaves the region to consolidate power back home.

Now this is where the fun part starts and why I say Saladin and a lot of Muslim Military leaders are failures. So much resource was spend in recapturing and defending Jerusalem which is strategically useless, and makes it difficult to defend and easily susceptible to being cut off from outside supplies. This allowed Richard to cut of supplies from Egypt and Syria to Saladin forces who was forced to retreat into the walls of Jerusalem allowing the Crusades to establish firm control. Rather than focusing their military strategy to retake the coastal cities Antioch, Tyre, Acre and Jaffa to cut off Crusader forces they settle for Jerusalem while leaving the Key's in the hands of the Crusaders who had enough time in few years to regroup and resupply themselves with weapons and men into the region. Coming back to Saladin rather than building a Navy as the head of united Egypt & Syria he just sat around doing nothing to put it plainly, while Christian forces were re arming and using Cyprus to amass their army for the 4th Crusade. Read Page 12 on-wards: (https://deremilitari.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/gillingham2.pdf)

Saladin and other military leaders failure in securing the home front leads to further losses of life, money and blood in the 5th, 6th and 7th Crusades. You have to look no further than Germany, WWII Normandy, once the beach head was established Allied Forces were dropping supplies and consolidating and started making advances, not going to go into deep history on this, but you get my point.

Saladin took Jaffa (from land route; but remember he fails to build a navy during the Ramla Agreement Period which could've helped him), Richard regroups and by sea launches a naval raid and was successful in retaking it, look at the map and see how vital this is -- he had Christian soldiers captured but the fool fails to kill'em off. Richard frees them, and has his army add more men and Saladin is forced to surrender.

In the 2nd and 3rd Crusade we lose more territory to them to hold one useless city.

Below is what Salandin Chronicler said after the 3rd Crusade and he couldn't think it through what to do next and what to plan next to fix his error:

I fear to make peace, not knowing what may become of me. Our enemy will grow strong, now that they have retained these lands. They will come forth to recover the rest of their lands and you will see every one of them ensconced on his hill-top,' meaning in his castle, 'having announced, "I shall stay put" and the Muslims will be ruined.' These were his words and it came about as he said.

Hi,

Salahuddin achieved his primary goal and since then we had Jerusalem till we lost it recently---.

My concern has always been---1965 war---1971 war---top generals are having whiskey drinking binge parties in the middle of the war and sexual orgies and nothing was done about it---.

We lost Jerusalem for few years during the 6th Crusade or so -- but Jerusalem shouldn't have been the focal point.

Our Generals never thought outside the box and I blame the failure of our education institutions to be quite honest where innovative ideas are suppressed and if a Junior Officer can offer a better plan he's shot down. The readings I've done so far of Officers in that era is they acted more Western as they were the last few classes thought by the British and they kept that going with the flow. Gen Zia came and put a stop to it hence you saw the success of the Afghan-USSR War, not some stinger missiles that turned the tide as Americans often tout to their useless population and the world. Wife swapping was very common in that era -- and sadly it continues even till this day underground. You have Generals who have never heard of Carl Von Clausewitz -- the whole lot is useless to be quite honest.

 

[The Ronin]

The Pakistan Navy has commissioned a 2300 Tonnes Corvette PNS YARMOOK (F-271) – a Damen OPV 1900 – in a ceremony held at Constanta Port, Romania on 13th February 2020.
Xavier Vavasseur 14 Feb 2020

Damen press release

Attending the event was Vice Admiral Muhammad Fayyaz Gilani HI (M), Vice Chief of the Naval Staff as Chief Guest. The ceremony was also attended by teams from Ministry of Defense Production Rawalpindi, Chief Naval Overseer (Romania) and senior management of Damen Shipyards Group.

Damen signed the contract with the Ministry of Defence Production for two multipurpose OPVs for the Pakistan Navy on 30th June, 2017, following a tender process.

Damen will deliver the Second vessel PNS TABUK (Designate) in May this year. PNS YARMOOK is capable of performing a variety of maritime operations and can transport both a helicopter and a UAV. The ship can launch two high speed RHIBs of 11.5 meters and 6.5 meters simultaneously and also has the capability to accommodate two TEUs for special mission based operations.

Speaking during the launching ceremony, the Chief Guest highlighted the importance of the Project for the Pakistan Navy and stated that the vessels will significantly enhance Pakistan Navy’s capability to safeguard its maritime borders. The Chief Guest also acknowledged the professional competence of Damen and the prospects of future cooperation in delivering cutting-edge naval technologies to the Pakistan Navy.

Damen constructed the PNS YARMOOK at its yard in Galati. The yard has built nearly 40 vessels for the defence and security segment, including the last seven complex naval vessels for the Royal Netherlands Navy and the Stefan cel Mare offshore patrol vessel, the flagship of the Romanian Border Police, showing time and time again that is a trustworthy and highly capable international player in naval shipbuilding.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...1bIBMtIjcUbQdZTe2Uj7VPP30NqWVYENEhvaop8odXMUY

https://www.damen.com/en/news/2020/02/commissioning_ceremony_of_offshore_patrol_vessel_pns_yarmook

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

@Basel @Bilal Khan (Quwa) would these be converted in Corvettes?

 

[StormBreaker]

Does it have CIWS ?

What is this
@Syed Hammad Ahmed