JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Sine Nomine]

Ive stood next to secretary of aviation during PPP govt as he boldly declared that he will make sure A380’s land at Hyderabad and Sukkur, heard lead engineers shoot down any need for faraday caged in any of our mechanized divisions because India is not doing it.

Criminal Negligence or plain criminality is Pakistan’s middle name.

You should never expect more from a system which revolves around three things
Rata system
There is no need of logic
&
Boss is always right

 

[Quwa]

Think of it as a natural and logical evolution of FC1. Nothing out of this world. PAF is expected to give a presentation.

Just a wild guess, but a single-engine, low-RCS fighter with a 1.25x to 1.5x range and payload improvement over the JF-17 and a conservative low-RCS airframe like the South Korean KF-X?

 

[Cuirassier]

When?
I hope you are not confusing crash of Cheetahs OC.


PAF would still call it a mission as per my experience with them...dont take the term MISSION as an air raid against india or taliban...mission doesn't necessarily mean only that.All their day to day flights no matter of what nature are classified as a mission.

This is my last reply regarding this useless discussion.

Wing Commander Muhammad Shahzad, F7P, Mianwali?

 

[SQ8]

When?
I hope you are not confusing crash of Cheetahs OC.


PAF would still call it a mission as per my experience with them...dont take the term MISSION as an air raid against india or taliban...mission doesn't necessarily mean only that.All their day to day flights no matter of what nature are classified as a mission.

This is my last reply regarding this useless discussion.

Too add for all

Sortie is anytime they go up,
Mission is when they complete the ATO.

 

[Silicon0000]

Just a wild guess, but a single-engine, low-RCS fighter with a 1.25x to 1.5x range and payload improvement over the JF-17 and a conservative low-RCS airframe like the South Korean KF-X?

Don't tell me it's like stealthy JF17

 

[CriticalThought]

@All
Our problems with next generation fighter stem from our inability to produce a reliable turbofan. That's why we are dependant on x,y & z. In 1960s if we had started a turbine programme, by 20y - mid 1980s, we would have produced a decent turbofan for our needs. This is just criminal negligence. The SG&D cadre involved with water&power should be investigated by a GIT for criminal conduct and subsequent public flogging. I myself presented a PC1 and one of the federal secretaries jamaat shah, an extremely low IQ - 100++% duffer, stood-up and inquired the relevance of turbines for pakistan's current needs. We all looked at each other in complete amazement. All night we kept on narrating arabian-nights & the next morning this duffer stood up asking whether Laila was a man or a women.
This is the status of this duffer, inept & 100% incompetent administration. These ba$tard$ should be brought back and subjected to GIT investigation under the SC. This bully cat needs to be belled.

Another form of criminal negligence is complete ignorance of semiconductor manufacturing. This technology should have been acquired, and expertise gained with the same urgency as the nuclear program.

 

[MastanKhan]

Just a wild guess, but a single-engine, low-RCS fighter with a 1.25x to 1.5x range and payload improvement over the JF-17 and a conservative low-RCS airframe like the South Korean KF-X?

Hi,

So what it comes down to is that the JF17 is smaller in size than what it should have been---.

 

[krash]

Dont u remember at the time j20 was still not successful j10 was not available even for Pakistan

Not at all. The J-10 was first offered to us before they were made operational in the PLAAF. PAF personnel were given access to it before it was revealed to the world.

 

[The Accountant]

I think this is not the issue, I think JF17 was always the second tier fighter to fill up the no and to provide a support to our air superiority fighter i.e. F16 ... THe bottleneck is F-16, we can't get more and we can't get them upgraded to V standard ... Had we been allowed the upgrade we would have been able to handle Rafael and outclass Su30...

The real issue is that we are being bitten by the same snake again and again and that too from the same hole ... In 85 it was Pressler amendment, in 65 it was the blockade of spares, in 1971 it was the failure of US to lift the naval blockade and now it is again controlling us through F16s

Hi,

So what it comes down to is that the JF17 is smaller in size than what it should have been---.

Not at all. The J-10 was first offered to us before they were made operational in the PLAAF. PAF personnel were given access to it before it was revealed to the world.

It was a lolypop type offer ... They oferred but despite PAF was interested but it never materialized as Chinese keep on delaying actual negotiations ...

 

[Cuirassier]

All hopes can't be rested on one nascent platform. We must look outwards. EFT or anything

 

[m52k85]

@All
Our problems with next generation fighter stem from our inability to produce a reliable turbofan. That's why we are dependant on x,y & z. In 1960s if we had started a turbine programme, by 20y - mid 1980s, we would have produced a decent turbofan for our needs. This is just criminal negligence. The SG&D cadre involved with water&power should be investigated by a GIT for criminal conduct and subsequent public flogging. I myself presented a PC1 and one of the federal secretaries jamaat shah, an extremely low IQ - 100++% duffer, stood-up and inquired the relevance of turbines for pakistan's current needs. We all looked at each other in complete amazement. All night we kept on narrating arabian-nights & the next morning this duffer stood up asking whether Laila was a man or a women.
This is the status of this duffer, inept & 100% incompetent administration. These ba$tard$ should be brought back and subjected to GIT investigation under the SC. This bully cat needs to be belled.

is this the guy?:

Jamaat Ali Shah was Pakistan’s Indus Waters Commissioner with a long tenure because he had a brilliant record as his country’s watchdog over India’s actions under the Indus Waters Treaty (1960). Then, some people thought he was in cahoots with the Indians. The state went for him. See the chronology of this unhappy episode.



The Jamaatud Dawa newspaper, Jarrar (March 5, 2010), reported that the people of Pakistan thought that Pakistan’s Indus Water Commissioner, Jamaat Ali Shah, was bodily a Pakistani but his tongue spoke the language of Hindus. He had not stopped making the strange statement that India had not stolen Pakistan’s water. Jamaat Ali Shah was getting his salary from Pakistan but was working for India.

Before this, the Jamaatud Dawa had taken out a procession on Lahore’s central mall in February 2010. Provocative speeches were made. Then, the army chief and the prime minister also raised “the issue of waters” in their statements.




Reported in the Nawa-i-Waqt (June 3, 2010) a seminar held by the Nawa-i-Waqt group of newspapers decided that Jamaat Ali Shah defended India’s stealing of river waters through 62 dams. Speakers included retired ambassadors and army officers, who said that India was stealing 14 million acre feet of water and that India’s water aggression could lead to an Indo-Pak war that would soon turn into a nuclear world war.

The Nawa-i-Waqt further accused Jamaat Ali Shah of stating that Pakistan was getting its share of waters under the Indus Treaty and that building a dam was the right of India. He said less water in Pakistani rivers was because of lack of rain, not because India had stolen it. The statement was a shock to many who thought India was waging a water war against Pakistan.

Reported in the Nawa-i-Waqt (December 16, 2010) Jamaat Ali Shah was made officer on special duty by the prime minister. He was commissioner in 1993 and was on the job till 2010, while India changed four commissioners during this period. Zahurul Hasan Dahir of the anti-India lobby said Shah had “accepted Indian influence” and had allowed Indian dams to be built on rivers belonging to Pakistan.

Reported in Jang (January 5, 2012), Indus Waters ex-commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah facilitated the building of India’s illegal Nimoo-Bazgo dam so that Leh could get electricity, which meant that Indian soldiers at Siachen would get the benefit of more comfort through the use of electricity.

Dawn (April 16, 2011) reported: Intelligence agencies seized the record of at least two federal ministries to investigate an alleged institutional lapse of not raising objections over Indian aggression on the country’s water rights. A preliminary report maintained that the commissioner had remained silent over the Nimoo Bazgo hydropower project (built by India during 2002-2009) and did not raise any objections during the meetings. There were rumours that Shah had fled the country.

The Express Tribune (January 3, 2012) reported: The latest case under dispute is the construction of the controversial 45-MW Nimoo-Bazgo hydropower project on the Indus River by India; (then) Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani approved challenging the project in the International Court of Arbitration (ICA).

After six months, the Daily Times (July 18, 2012) reported that the federal government had decided not to file a lawsuit in the ICA, in The Hague, regarding the controversial 45-MW Nimoo-Bazgo hydroelectric power project. The fear was that Pakistan might lose again as it did over the Baglihar Dam.

Annexure C of the Indus Waters Treaty allows India to take some water from the Western Rivers given to Pakistan. Annexure E says there is no bar on India building water storage dams for electricity generation on the Western Rivers.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 2nd, 2012.

 

[messiach]

Without an appropriate turbine forget 5th generation vehicles.

Means except engine rest is under control regarding Azm projects

Nothing more corrupt and incompetent than PCAA.

Ive stood next to secretary of aviation during PPP govt as he boldly declared that he will make sure A380’s land at Hyderabad and Sukkur

Look at the evolution of Jian10 (which is not Jian10-C) & follow the same curve for FC1.

Just a wild guess, but a single-engine, low-RCS fighter with a 1.25x to 1.5x range and payload improvement over the JF-17 and a conservative low-RCS airframe like the South Korean KF-X?

He is just one in a cohort or a gang of federal public service ba$tard$.

is this the guy?:

 

[Sinnerman108]

He is just one in a cohort or a gang of federal public service ba$tard$.

they are part of a system which favors incompetent sycophants.

The amount of cock sucking that does on, it just as problematic as actual corruption.
This is one of the reasons i left the country.

Any way, lets talk about the Engines
how much iridium have the chinese stocked up ?

 

[The Accountant]

they are part of a system which favors incompetent sycophants.

The amount of cock sucking that does on, it just as problematic as actual corruption.
This is one of the reasons i left the country.

You are entitled to your decisions but
Instead of leaving u should have fought them to achieve better results

 

[araz]

You are entitled to your decisions but
Instead of leaving u should have fought them to achieve better results

The ones that have fought have not fared very well either. There needs to be a lot of culling for things to improve.
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