JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Silicon0000]

There is a saying.

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

Please don't go off topic guys.

 

[khanasifm]

This config for final version/block III and older block will eventually upgraded replacing remaining pg and majority mirages, guessing

 

[Tempest II]

This config for final version/block III and older block will eventually upgraded replacing remaining pg and majority mirages, guessing

This particular drawing was on the internet 2010/2011! ???

 

[khanasifm]

This particular drawing was on the internet 2010/2011! ???

Yes l know just wanted to share with Wing now over 9 m and tested for loads etc expecting 9-11 stations on block iii also majority of block iii are dual seaters

 

[araz]

Yes l know just wanted to share with Wing now over 9 m and tested for loads etc expecting 9-11 stations on block iii also majority of block iii are dusk seaters

I dont think we will get 9 to11 wing stations. There is no utility in converting a small fighter into a brick by loading it to the brink with armaments. There is talk of a chin mounted pylon for PODs. There seems to be no sense in wasting time with integrating and testing associated with increased hardpoints. However what should be tested if not already done is DER and CFTs. The latter will increase range while freeing up hardpoints without significantly sacrificing aerodynamic performance and the former will allow a 4+2 (+2)configuration which would be more than adequate for any encounter in the subcontinental air theatre. This is purely my view point so I could be totally wrong but lets wait and see.
A

 

[Shabi1]

Bilal Khan has put forward a really strong case for Turkish SOM LACM integration on the JF-17. Azerbaijan is a potential client for JF-17s once blk-3 comes out and they have recently bought SOMs for their Mig-29s which they can request for integration on the JF-17 since it will be the potential replacement of their Mig-29s and this could be attractive for other potential buyers.

Another option would be downgrading range of Raad to with in export control limit. But Pakistan doesnt have export ambitions for its missiles yet so Turkish SOM integration would be attractive.

https://quwa.org/2018/07/01/is-azerbaijans-som-cruise-missile-a-factor-for-the-jf-17-2/

 

[Tempest II]

Bilal Khan has put forward a really strong case for Turkish SOM LACM integration on the JF-17. Azerbaijan is a potential client for JF-17s once blk-3 comes out and they have recently bought SOMs for their Mig-29s which they can request for integration on the JF-17 since it will be the potential replacement of their Mig-29s and this could be attractive for other potential buyers.

Another option would be downgrading range of Raad to with in export control limit. But Pakistan doesnt have export ambitions for its missiles yet so Turkish SOM integration would be attractive.

https://quwa.org/2018/07/01/is-azerbaijans-som-cruise-missile-a-factor-for-the-jf-17-2/

I think such capabilities will be part of the customisation for Azerbaijan

 

[denel]

I think such capabilities will be part of the customisation for Azerbaijan

It comes down to laying integration standards; everything is doable if you have standard interfacing defined.

This config for final version/block III and older block will eventually upgraded replacing remaining pg and majority mirages, guessing

Upgrading the older blocks is most likely not possible given the significant changes between I/II vs III.

 

[araz]

It comes down to laying integration standards; everything is doable if you have standard interfacing defined.


Upgrading the older blocks is most likely not possible given the significant changes between I/II vs III.

I actually agree with you. When the initial news came out it was that block 1 would be upgraded to block 2 but block 3 would be a different bird and block 2 may not be upgradable. However recently the tune has changed to all previous blocks would be upgraded to block 3 standard. Since a lot of components are manufactured locally and labour cost is low as compared to replacing 100 additional planes it may be possible to do so. The main concern is Radar.
I did have a mad thought. You know theChinese are working on an air cooled versions of Aesa Radar. What if PAF accepted that as the radar on block 1/2 s and has the Nanjing KLJ7A radar for Bl.3s. It may then be possible to upgrade while not fiddling too much with the older models.
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[denel]

I actually agree with you. When the initial news came out it was that block 1 would be upgraded to block 2 but block 3 would be a different bird and block 2 may not be upgradable. However recently the tune has changed to all previous blocks would be upgraded to block 3 standard. Since a lot of components are manufactured locally and labour cost is low as compared to replacing 100 additional planes it may be possible to do so. The main concern is Radar.
I did have a mad thought. You know theChinese are working on an air cooled versions of Aesa Radar. What if PAF accepted that as the radar on block 1/2 s and has the Nanjing KLJ7A radar for Bl.3s. It may then be possible to upgrade while not fiddling too much with the older models.
A

Correct; best strategy is to upgrade the software as needed but radar is core upgrade. The airframe can remain as is. But what is worrisome is the concerns on ejection seat; that is where they need to spend time to make sure pilots are saved.

 

[araz]

Correct; best strategy is to upgrade the software as needed but radar is core upgrade. The airframe can remain as is. But what is worrisome is the concerns on ejection seat; that is where they need to spend time to make sure pilots are saved.

Why do you say there is concern on the ejection seat. It is a MB seat which is a top of the line company. .The 1 pilot mishap was not the fault of the ejection seat at all. It was a very unfortunate set of circumstances but totally unavoidable.
Regards
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[My-Analogous]

Correct; best strategy is to upgrade the software as needed but radar is core upgrade. The airframe can remain as is. But what is worrisome is the concerns on ejection seat; that is where they need to spend time to make sure pilots are saved.

Sir JF17 have Martin-Baker Mk-16 LE. One of the best option in the world

 

[Armchair]

I actually agree with you. When the initial news came out it was that block 1 would be upgraded to block 2 but block 3 would be a different bird and block 2 may not be upgradable. However recently the tune has changed to all previous blocks would be upgraded to block 3 standard. Since a lot of components are manufactured locally and labour cost is low as compared to replacing 100 additional planes it may be possible to do so. The main concern is Radar.
I did have a mad thought. You know theChinese are working on an air cooled versions of Aesa Radar. What if PAF accepted that as the radar on block 1/2 s and has the Nanjing KLJ7A radar for Bl.3s. It may then be possible to upgrade while not fiddling too much with the older models.
A

If in fact the AESA is a GaN set, the Block 1 / 2 even without extra cooling will give very competitive outputs. So it may be better to keep to one single radar set type rather than have two radar sets.

 

[Shabi1]

I actually agree with you. When the initial news came out it was that block 1 would be upgraded to block 2 but block 3 would be a different bird and block 2 may not be upgradable. However recently the tune has changed to all previous blocks would be upgraded to block 3 standard. Since a lot of components are manufactured locally and labour cost is low as compared to replacing 100 additional planes it may be possible to do so. The main concern is Radar.
I did have a mad thought. You know theChinese are working on an air cooled versions of Aesa Radar. What if PAF accepted that as the radar on block 1/2 s and has the Nanjing KLJ7A radar for Bl.3s. It may then be possible to upgrade while not fiddling too much with the older models.
A

Block 3 is expected to have larger wings like the twin seater and some other airframe changes so Blk-1&2 might be able to get a avionics upgrade bringing them at par with Blk-3 standard but physically there will be differences.

 

[Armchair]

To summarize for Block III and adding to what Shabi1 has said, the following are expected:

1. new engine!! (unknown)
2. JF-17-B like airframe improvements - larger wings, re-designed all-composite tail, increased use of composite and a completely newly designed front section. Possible changes to intake to adjust for new engine.
3. New hardpoint(s?)
4. AESA radar / new avionics / new EW / New IFF (dection ranges have increased significantly so requires longer ranged IFF)
5. HMD / HOBS AAM