JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Akh1112]

not happening

this was a press release published within the last few months.

Denel’s employee numbers shrink 15% over the last year - defenceWeb

In a presentation to the Portfolio Committee on Public Enterprises today on its annual financial results for 2019/20, Denel revealed that it had lost nearly 500 employees over the last year. The presentation by Interim Group CEO William Hlakoane showed Denel’s workforce shrinking – as of 1 April...

www.defenceweb.co.za

 

[siegecrossbow]

Chinese live AAMs are painted in blue, but as i said the missile on the other side is missing its seeker windoiw. IDK, this all seems weird esp since Denel has said they're intergrating A Darter at the request of a South Asian customer

You got it backwards. Training rounds are painted blue and live ones are painted white. However, being painted white doesn't automatically mean that the missile is live.

 

[Akh1112]

You got it backwards. Training rounds are painted blue and live ones are painted white. However, being painted white doesn't automatically mean that the missile is live.

yeah, it was a mistype.

 

[ziaulislam]

this was a press release published within the last few months.

Denel’s employee numbers shrink 15% over the last year - defenceWeb

In a presentation to the Portfolio Committee on Public Enterprises today on its annual financial results for 2019/20, Denel revealed that it had lost nearly 500 employees over the last year. The presentation by Interim Group CEO William Hlakoane showed Denel’s workforce shrinking – as of 1 April...

www.defenceweb.co.za

Pursuing..
Deniel needs to offer a deal we cant say no to..
That can only be a ToT local manufacturing deal otherwise pakistan will pick chinese option everytime
(Which is shame)

 

[siegecrossbow]

I just realized something significant: this also marks the first time that the PL-10 missile has been exported.

 

[Akh1112]

my bad, after doing alot more digging the photo seems to be very likely to be legit. Mubarak ho, mithai koun baant rha hai?

 

[m52k85]

Has anyone done pixel analysis and confirmed everything looks legit?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Pursuing..
Deniel needs to offer a deal we cant say no to..
That can only be a ToT local manufacturing deal otherwise pakistan will pick chinese option everytime
(Which is shame)

Denel would already offer it. That's literally their biggest selling point (and everyone except Pakistan is taking advantage of it). Our decision-makers lack foresight, funds, and finesse. The Turks have all 3 qualities, and look where they're going. Sadly, our guys can only get salty about it, which is the problem.

 

[denel]

Denel would already offer it. That's literally their biggest selling point (and everyone except Pakistan is taking advantage of it). Our decision-makers lack foresight, funds, and finesse. The Turks have all 3 qualities, and look where they're going. Sadly, our guys can only get salty about it, which is the problem.

100% - Since the 90s- we had opened our entire IP to Pak from every aspect; it was total folly on Pak side.

IFVs - Until US started to have casulaties in hundreds on a weekly basis in pathetic flatbeds - they then woke up and came begging; sure we had engineers seconded over to Oshkosh to get them going. Same thing was doable here. But that was a huge opportunity gone to total waste. Now you get hand me downs from US. Look across the border, JVs with Bharatis and they are going with full arsenel of mineproof vehicles.

I am sorry but i just feel taking some of your decision makers and giving them a mindful - sorry friends - bunch of idiots who squandered every golden opportunity. Radar, comms etc etc. So much squandered. Unfortunately, it has become very clear there is no seriousness to do any inhouse development. Until the mindset to outsource IP work to 3rd parties is shunned nothing will change.

You forget most of UAE's works is also based on our IPs.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

100% - Since the 90s- we had opened our entire IP to Pak from every aspect; it was total folly on Pak side.

IFVs - Until US started to have casulaties in hundreds on a weekly basis in pathetic flatbeds - they then woke up and came begging; sure we had engineers seconded over to Oshkosh to get them going. Same thing was doable here. But that was a huge opportunity gone to total waste. Now you get hand me downs from US. Look across the border, JVs with Bharatis and they are going with full arsenel of mineproof vehicles.

I am sorry but i just feel taking some of your decision makers and giving them a mindful - sorry friends - bunch of idiots who squandered every golden opportunity. Radar, comms etc etc. So much squandered. Unfortunately, it has become very clear there is no seriousness to do any inhouse development. Until the mindset to outsource IP work to 3rd parties is shunned nothing will change.

You forget most of UAE's works is also based on our IPs.

Yep. In fact, South Africa's most valuable IP isn't even shown on Denel's marketing portfolios. It's actually all of the R&D work that had happened (and is still happening) at institutions like CSIR.

Pakistan has had every chance (especially in the last 4 years) to collaborate with CSIR to develop critical inputs for AAMs and SAMs (e.g., dual-pulse motor engines, seekers, etc), LACMs (e.g., miniature turbojet engines), and even start more complex work like R&D for an actual next-gen fighter.

In the mid-to-late 1980s, the PAF started work on Sabre II (which eventually resulted in the JF-17). Instead of approaching Grumman, imagine if they secretly co-funded the Atlas Carver? Imagine if we had kept Carver alive through the 1990s so that it could leverage RD-93s, Grifo-S, etc?

If we had applied the same competence and commitment of our nuclear program to aviation, we'd be celebrating the first prototype of Project AZM by now. Unfortunately, ZAB's 'socialist' policies and deeply entrenched corruption have kept our country several decades behind.

 

[CHI RULES]

Per paf last history book which is official history 58% now and after 150 initial order completion pac can take 100% local production provided it’s cost effective


This patch looks like fan made, jf-17 will replace mirage after all f7 are replaced per official history book paf , Notion it will not is just bs on social media , also confirmed multiple time at pac statements, Kashif tufail articles and interviews etc the only reason a third type was considered was to speed up the process plus get a little longer leg fighter but jf-17 with three tanks get you good enough range plus with revised max takeoff and external load which is kore than now mirages is good enough, with precision weapon you donot need bomb truck anyway

chao

23:00 minute, 33:00, 44:00minutes you get the answers

The plans may change in Pakistan with blink of an eye, first there was no two seater but now we have well enough, things may change with change in command.

 

[denel]

Yep. In fact, South Africa's most valuable IP isn't even shown on Denel's marketing portfolios. It's actually all of the R&D work that had happened (and is still happening) at institutions like CSIR.

Pakistan has had every chance (especially in the last 4 years) to collaborate with CSIR to develop critical inputs for AAMs and SAMs (e.g., dual-pulse motor engines, seekers, etc), LACMs (e.g., miniature turbojet engines), and even start more complex work like R&D for an actual next-gen fighter.

In the mid-to-late 1980s, the PAF started work on Sabre II (which eventually resulted in the JF-17). Instead of approaching Grumman, imagine if they secretly co-funded the Atlas Carver? Imagine if we had kept Carver alive through the 1990s so that it could leverage RD-93s, Grifo-S, etc?

If we had applied the same competence and commitment of our nuclear program to aviation, we'd be celebrating the first prototype of Project AZM by now. Unfortunately, ZAB's 'socialist' policies and deeply entrenched corruption have kept our country several decades behind.

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Absolutely, CSIR is our pride and joy; incubation for all upcoming scientists. They come in via different universities depending on projects. The govt put in a lot of good money by the billions going back long time.

Something for your interest:

HENSOLDT South Africa and CSIR sign agreements for new radar development | CSIR

HENSOLDT South Africa and the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) have signed co-development and license agreements for the development of new-generation radar technology. A new generation of tactical 3D surveillance radar systems are being developed for naval and land...

www.csir.co.za

"Further building on both HENSOLDT South Africa and the CSIR’s strong affiliation with academia in South Africa, universities will also be playing a key role as partners to the CSIR and HENSOLDT South Africa on research relating to this programme.

HENSOLDT South Africa sees collaboration between industry, research organisations and academia as the cornerstone of its drive for innovation and this programme aims to do just that. It brings players within the industry and across commercial and academic boundaries together to develop world-class technology."

This affirms to exactly what you have been saying and I have been whole heartly supporting.

 

[SQ8]

Yep. In fact, South Africa's most valuable IP isn't even shown on Denel's marketing portfolios. It's actually all of the R&D work that had happened (and is still happening) at institutions like CSIR.

Pakistan has had every chance (especially in the last 4 years) to collaborate with CSIR to develop critical inputs for AAMs and SAMs (e.g., dual-pulse motor engines, seekers, etc), LACMs (e.g., miniature turbojet engines), and even start more complex work like R&D for an actual next-gen fighter.

In the mid-to-late 1980s, the PAF started work on Sabre II (which eventually resulted in the JF-17). Instead of approaching Grumman, imagine if they secretly co-funded the Atlas Carver? Imagine if we had kept Carver alive through the 1990s so that it could leverage RD-93s, Grifo-S, etc?

If we had applied the same competence and commitment of our nuclear program to aviation, we'd be celebrating the first prototype of Project AZM by now. Unfortunately, ZAB's 'socialist' policies and deeply entrenched corruption have kept our country several decades behind.

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I would start thinking on what you Canucks are doing - what fighters come in if not superhornets.
Pakistan is essentially a lost cause for revolutionary thinking and at best will see marginal incremental progress falling not just years but decades behind its primary threat.
This is pragmatism, accepted by more and more and nothing to do with plain disdain or negativity.

Sometimes I wish the sanctions of the 90’s had remained and pushed the country to a brink of anti-elite revolution. Now its every individual for themselves and all those thinking against that are taken out of the system - as @VCheng puts it by design.

 

[SQ8]

The plans may change in Pakistan with blink of an eye, first there was no two seater but now we have well enough, things may change with change in command.

Flexible plans are great but inconsistent ones are not. The PAF needs and generally is getting more and more agile in thought process but flip-flops on single leadership champion for projects is never a good thing.
As an example the F-35 is being revisited based upon project progress and changing threats.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I would start thinking on what you Canucks are doing - what fighters come in if not superhornets.
Pakistan is essentially a lost cause for revolutionary thinking and at best will see marginal incremental progress falling not just years but decades behind its primary threat.
This is pragmatism, accepted by more and more and nothing to do with plain disdain or negativity.

Sometimes I wish the sanctions of the 90’s had remained and pushed the country to a brink of anti-elite revolution. Now its every individual for themselves and all those thinking against that are taken out of the system - as @VCheng puts it by design.

Canada will go for an American fighter. There's no bandwidth to integrate the Rafale or Typhoon as so much of Canada's national security interests are built on interoperability with the US.

The F-35A for RCAF and F-35B for RCN (via an LHD) would've been the most optimal solution, but the disdain between the Liberals and the Conservatives scuttled that. Ultimately, they'll likely circle back to the F-35A/B. The only alternative I foresee is Canada trying to 'fork' an Americanized variant of the Airbus FCAS.