JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Falcon26]

You are chalenging SU 30 MKIs, Rafales and your very own Block 52s

Rafale is the only serious contender across the border. The SU-30s of IAF will be busy “dodging” SD-10/AIM-120 BVR missiles instead of being a serious threat. Poor chaps couldn’t even safe Abhinonedone

 

[HRK]

The SU-30s of IAF will be busy “dodging” SD-10/AIM-120 BVR missiles

a humble reminder with little adaption

That which does not kill us your enemy makes us them stronger

 

[Cookie Monster]

Put it this way

Block 3 will be a top tier fighter

and should never be offered for export

max should be block 2 for export

Why exactly should it not be offered for export? JF17 was made as a modular design from the get go...Pak/China can easily have the export model be different than the one Pak uses. Pak needs the export revenue for its already tight military budget. It will also help grow Pak's defense industry.

 

[AsifIjaz]

Rafale is the only serious contender across the border. The SU-30s of IAF will be busy “dodging” SD-10/AIM-120 BVR missiles instead of being a serious threat. Poor chaps couldn’t even safe Abhinonedone

Mirage 2000s especially the upgraded ones, su30mki and rafael are all decsnt aircrafts which should not be taken lightly.
Each and every one of them has its positives and negatives.
Paf should and i am sure that they will not take threats from these lightly.
Remember now the IAF has a point to prove to their bollywood addict nation and to the world as well. If they bite the dust next time around as well then it will haunt them for decades to come.

 

[Falcon26]

Mirage 2000s especially the upgraded ones, su30mki and rafael are all decsnt aircrafts which should not be taken lightly.
Each and every one of them has its positives and negatives.
Paf should and i am sure that they will not take threats from these lightly.
Remember now the IAF has a point to prove to their bollywood addict nation and to the world as well. If they bite the dust next time around as well then it will haunt them for decades to come.

of course, PAF shouldn’t and wouldn’t take anything serious; but facts also speak for themselves. The mirages and the support package of SU-30s were intercepted and chased away by JF-17s and F-16s without accomplishing their goals and forced to drop their weapons and sprint. The PAF went into hostile territory the next day, brought down 2 jets, captured a POW, bombed Indian bases and filmed them and trapped the Indians into shooting down their own helicopter killing 7 occupants.

Whether they want to satisfy their Bollywood fans or not doesn’t matter, PAF could care less and would do the honors everytime

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

F-16s

Only they were involved

 

[Falcon26]

Only they were involved

Not during the interception on feb 26th. JF-17s were also involved both in the interceptions and the incursions into Indian airspace on feb 27th.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Could the introduction of the JF17 Block III, also result in the introduction of a new long range AAM(other than PL15) to take on the Meteor threat? The AESA radar has a long reach, so a new ramjet missile specifically for PAF and Block III could be the custom solution PAF needs. ergo a smaller export variant of the PL21 that can be hosted on a JF17 ?

With a 200km AESA radar, it should be good enough to have an advantage over the Meteor and give PAF and edge. The PL15 will bring parity to the Meteor only.

 

[araz]

Not sure, what You are smoking ...

It will surely be a fine fighter, but to say "it will rule the skies in south Asia" is a bit overrated.

While not a fan of the retort for which you have very graciosly apologized, I tend to agree with you. Block 3 will be a game changer for PAF and will turn into a very efficient platform. However ruling the Asian sky is a bit of artistic licence to put it mildly. The Rafale the MKI and the upcoming Chinese 5th generation along with the Bl 52s will still give ita run for its money if not totally overwhelm it especially in case of the 5th gen offerings from China.
As someone has very aptly pointed out we do not know the true capabilities of this puppy yet and accolades though well deserved are perhaps a bit premature.
A

 

[Deino]

While not a fan of the retort for which you have very graciosly apologized, I tend to agree with you. Block 3 will be a game changer for PAF and will turn into a very efficient platform. However ruling the Asian sky is a bit of artistic licence to put it mildly. The Rafale the MKI and the upcoming Chinese 5th generation along with the Bl 52s will still give ita run for its money if not totally overwhelm it especially in case of the 5th gen offerings from China.
As someone has very aptly pointed out we do not know the true capabilities of this puppy yet and accolades though well deserved are perhaps a bit premature.
A

Thanks for your kind words and indeed I surely need to calm down myself, what - in mind of certain repeated fuss posted by some members - is more and more difficult; maybe it is a cultural issue - we Germans are surely not known for being over-emotionally or over-enthusiastic - or a personal issue on my side, but sometimes I wish for a more realistic attitude:

Expecting the JF-17 Block 3 to be "the ruler of the skies above SE-Asia", to be larger, wider, bigger, a generation leap, to feature a bigger radome, larger intakes for a more powerful engine (at best a WS-10), a wider range of stores from more hardpoints, to be semistealthy with huge airframe change and structural modifications and so on altogether sums up in a so far off unrealistic wish-list, that sometimes I can only laugh or shake my head. This is even more the case, when to this already IMO impossible list it is added that all Block 2 & 3 shall be modernized to Block 3.

But anyway, it's just as in school, some of the kids do not want to learn, they are so much blinded by their opinion and what their parents told them ... so it's better to leave it.

Best,
Deino

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... and trapped the Indians into shooting down their own helicopter killing 7 occupants. ...

It demonstrates how active their air defences were on the day. What did the Pakistani air defences shoot down the previous day?

IAF crossed LOC, flew over Kashmir and dropped bombs in KPK while PAF was contained within Kashmir and not allowed to cross into India proper.

To be fair, I don't know if the PAF had clearance to cross Kashmir and strike the adjacent Indian provinces, if not, why not?

 

[Deino]

@Deino

What does the engine have to do with the aircraft---it starts---it makes the aircraft fly with the needed load---its spool up time is very fast---its maintenance is very low---it is very cost effective for pakistan---.

If You really have no clue, what an "engine does have to do with the aircraft" I cannot help you, go and ask someone who you do more trust than me.

Is the issue that the J31 is a copy of F35---????

I really have no idea why you are constantly repeating this nonsense and seemingly boasting about being right ... the only one who continues to undermine his reliability and make himself ridiculous is you, but you either do not seem to see it or to actually believe this nonsense.

Again, an aircraft may well be based on another types external configuration, it may even take over another's design features, but if there were no blueprints available, or as here the FC-31 looks vastly different to the F-35, then it cannot be a clone or a copy; period. How should a twin-engine aircraft be a copy of what you call a single-beam type?
So if you are not willing to accept my explanation, that we both have different definitions of "copy or clone", but instead continue to insist on your version the FC-31 = a copy of the F-35, then please do not be surprised that some serious ones take with a huge grain of salt.
I'm sorry, but regardless how many hommies here or anywhere cheer you, that still does not make this nonsense a fact.

 

[Ultima Thule]

It demonstrates how active their air defences were on the day. What did the Pakistani air defences shoot down the previous day?

IAF crossed LOC, flew over Kashmir and dropped bombs in KPK while PAF was contained within Kashmir and not allowed to cross into India proper.

To be fair, I don't know if the PAF had clearance to cross Kashmir and strike the adjacent Indian provinces, if not, why not?

these are contradictory claims, as per IAF first they told the world they cross LOC and stayed in Pakistani airspace to at least 21 minutes, which is impossible and bomb the targets but within few days they retreat their claims and tell the world we didn't cross the LOC but instead using Israeli sand off glide bombs for bombing (Spice-2000) so tell us which one is right and which one is wrong
as for why PAF didn't cross indian airspace, we crossed LOC within 3-4 km range and used H-4/H-2 and REK stand off glide bombs for attack Indian HQ in Kashmir

 

[Falcon26]

It demonstrates how active their air defences were on the day. What did the Pakistani air defences shoot down the previous day?

IAF crossed LOC, flew over Kashmir and dropped bombs in KPK while PAF was contained within Kashmir and not allowed to cross into India proper.

To be fair, I don't know if the PAF had clearance to cross Kashmir and strike the adjacent Indian provinces, if not, why not?

nonsense

the IAF was intercepted and forced to cancel their mission. Due to Pakistan’s geographic narrowness, it won’t even take 5 minutes for IAF to reach Islamabad. Besides PAF like western air forces relies on fighter jets for interceptions rather than air defense missiles.

india shooting down its helicopter as a result of the fog of war created by PAF is not an accomplishment. What use is the activeness of the Indian air defense unit if the PAF can enter Indian airspace unchallenged and complete their mission without interference? I don’t think PAF will ever mind India knocking down its own planes. That’s not PAF responsibility

paf had complete air superiority over Indian airspace, jammed out Indian communications and bombed their bases which housed very senior military officials. Pakistan within minutes said that the Indians shot down their own helicopter. How long did it take India to confirm PAF’s claim? Tells you everything you need to know!

 

[PakFactor]

Could the introduction of the JF17 Block III, also result in the introduction of a new long range AAM(other than PL15) to take on the Meteor threat? The AESA radar has a long reach, so a new ramjet missile specifically for PAF and Block III could be the custom solution PAF needs. ergo a smaller export variant of the PL21 that can be hosted on a JF17 ?

With a 200km AESA radar, it should be good enough to have an advantage over the Meteor and give PAF and edge. The PL15 will bring parity to the Meteor only.

Not an expert on Ramjets but my question is this during an engagement - wouldn't a higher powered missile while good to chase enemy be at a disadvantage in maneuverability or these missiles designed to reduce/accelerate speed during engagement near the target envelope?