JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

Yes---they should---for the strike mode---if they don't want to buy anything else---.

No they don't buying off the shelf is more cheaper then developing strike variant of JF-17 such as JH-7 or Su-34 but i think Pakistan is already working on that way, JF-17B can easily transformed into Strike jet @MastanKhan

 

[jupiter2007]

Not needed Modified JF-17 and also remember bro former COAS sohail aman said that there is no Stealth or semi stealth version of JF-17, If we modified JF-17 (AIR-FRAME DESIGN CHANGE) then it will become totally new project because it structurally/Mechanically different from JF-17 @jupiter2007

Block 3 will replaced remain F-7 and Mirage.

Our F-16s are ok but we still need at least 50 to 60 advance medium weight fighter.

No they don't buying off the shelf is more cheaper then developing strike variant of JF-17 such as JH-7 or Su-34 but i think Pakistan is already working on that way, JF-17B can easily transformed into Strike jet @MastanKhan

JF-17 will have limited range, less powerful engine and payload compare to a medium weight fighter.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Block 3 will replaced remain F-7 and Mirage.

Our F-16s are ok but we still need at least 50 to 60 advance medium weight fighter.

This is the best choice J-10C​

@jupiter2007

JF-17 will have limited range and payload compare to a medium weight fighter.

Yes i know but where is $$$$$ @jupiter2007

 

[MastanKhan]

No they don't buying off the shelf is more cheaper then developing strike variant of JF-17 such as JH-7 or Su-34 but i think Pakistan is already working on that way, JF-17B can easily transformed into Strike jet @MastanKhan

Hi,

The standard should be the japanese air force's F2---.

A modified / upgraded JF17 should be able to carry two 1000 KG AShM---.

 

[jupiter2007]

This is the best choice J-10C​

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@jupiter2007


Yes i know but where is $$$$$ @jupiter2007

That will put us 100% in Chinese basket.
AZM will also be based on J-31.

Hi,

The standard should be the japanese air force's F2---.

A modified / upgraded JF17 should be able to carry two 1000 KG AShM---.

That was the whole idea... modify existing JF-17 frame with delta wing and larger engine.
We can buy Chinese Subsystem or western/Turkish system.

Buying something of the shelf might be cheaper but sometimes you have to pay high price for parts and service.
Building something at home might be expensive but you don’t have to depend too much on others.

 

[Ultima Thule]

That will put us 100% in Chinese basket.
AZM will also be based on J-31.

so what is other options we have don't think about EF-2000/Su-35/Gripen but may be Mig-35 is only other option we have @jupiter2007

That was the whole idea... modify existing JF-17 frame with delta wing and larger engine.
We can buy Chinese Subsystem or western/Turkish system.

Buying something of the shelf might be cheaper but sometimes you have to pay high price for parts and service.
Building something at home might be expensive but you don’t have to depend too much on others.

Its takes lots of time to develop and testing delta version of JF-17 and where is the $$$$$ @jupiter2007

 

[ziaulislam]

Hi,

The standard should be the japanese air force's F2---.

A modified / upgraded JF17 should be able to carry two 1000 KG AShM---.

So whats this

Problem is its short legged..which can be resolved with slightly powerful and modern FDAEC engine (rd93 ma), decrease weight, increase fuel space via either CFTs (if feasible ) or more fuel cells in dorsal
Spine/wings

Ps
Its cm400 super sonic missle with weight of 2000lb/920kg

 

[jupiter2007]

so what is other options we have don't think about EF-2000/Su-35/Gripen but may be Mig-35 is only other option we have @jupiter2007

Its takes lots of time to develop and testing delta version of JF-17 and where is the $$$$$ @jupiter2007

Everything is not cheap on loan. You have to return the loan with interest.
Gripen is out of question, Typhoon is also questionable, SU-35 and MiG-35 is not officially offered and if if they offered, is Russia willing give loan.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Everything is not cheap on loan. You have to return the loan with interest.
Gripen is out of question, Typhoon is also questionable, SU-35 and MiG-35 is not officially offered and if if they offered, is Russia willing give loan.

We need to replace our old Mirages ASAP , your Delta wing version of JF-17 Takes lots of time to complete and lot $$$ to R &D , at least 5-8 years to complete hence it is wise to purchase off the shelf to fill the gap of Mirages @jupiter2007

 

[ziaulislam]

Strike package replacement options
1. Radically different thunder----> not economical as compared to J10
2. Russian ---> either not offered or not viable due to performance issues
3. F16---> restrictions on strike package
4. Used european option typhoon tranch1 via italy or mirage 2000(less likely)
5. New aircrafts from europe---> too expensive
6. Chinese used or new options---> likley but cost benefit vs jf17 current version

Bottom line used f16(if usa allows), imporved thunder will come and may be j10 or very less likley a used European option (typhoon offered on market vs mirage2000 not offered)

Mirage 5 will stay till 2030

 

[Thorough Pro]

There is already enough information about block 3 on the forum..........bharti jasoos

Hi guys have any of you got some information about the upcoming JF-17 Block III from any Pakistani sources which you can share here? I am pretty interested in its design but it seems CAC in China has kept it as some very high secret.

 

[MastanKhan]

So whats this

Problem is its short legged..which can be resolved with slightly powerful and modern FDAEC engine (rd93 ma), decrease weight, increase fuel space via either CFTs (if feasible ) or more fuel cells in dorsal
Spine/wings

Ps
Its cm400 super sonic missle with weight of 2000lb/920kg

Hi,

I do not know how many times it needs to be told to the members that the JF17 is not capable to operate with two CM400's.

Now there maybe a picture or two around for it to be seen carrying them---but on a practical note---the JF17 does not have the body and the wing to be stable after the launch of one missile.

There is even a air marshall's interview out there that has been posted many a times---.

That will put us 100% in Chinese basket.
AZM will also be based on J-31.



That was the whole idea... modify existing JF-17 frame with delta wing and larger engine.
We can buy Chinese Subsystem or western/Turkish system.

Buying something of the shelf might be cheaper but sometimes you have to pay high price for parts and service.
Building something at home might be expensive but you don’t have to depend too much on others.

Hi,

There always has to be a suitable compromise to what you need to have---.

On the 27th---the Paf did not have enough upper end aircraft to counter the enemy if things had gone out of control---.

A superstar on this board araz declared that he will quit the forum---if a war started---. Well the war happened and he is still here---.

Pakistani young men need to learn now who the internal enemy is---. This internal enemy is your influential friend or a senior that you respect very much---someone in position of authority---and you listen to him---because he sounds very intelligent---non confrontational---peace loving---sounds repectable---but is a peacenik---does not understand the speed and intensity of how a war starts---and has gathered a following of many---who just wag their tails and follow him---.

Now when war starts---he disappears---at that time---the majority finds out---that they were listening to someone with a HIDDEN AGENDA of making pakistan weak right from the gitgo---.

Even though the 27th was a "skirmish" in name---it was the pre-cursor to a full blown war---.

You kids would have learnt by now---AS ACCIDENTS HAPPEN---without announcing themselves---war between india and pakistan can also start with an accident---.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

The standard should be the japanese air force's F2---.

A modified / upgraded JF17 should be able to carry two 1000 KG AShM---.

Already has this capability @MastanKhan

 

[MastanKhan]

Already has this capability @MastanKhan

Hi,

No it dont

 

[ziaulislam]

Hi,

I do not know how many times it needs to be told to the members that the JF17 is not capable to operate with two CM400's.

Now there maybe a picture or two around for it to be seen carrying them---but on a practical note---the JF17 does not have the body and the wing to be stable after the launch of one missile.

There is even a air marshall's interview out there that has been posted many a times---.



Hi,

There always has to be a suitable compromise to what you need to have---.

On the 27th---the Paf did not have enough upper end aircraft to counter the enemy if things had gone out of control---.

A superstar on this board araz declared that he will quit the forum---if a war started---. Well the war happened and he is still here---.

Pakistani young men need to learn now who the internal enemy is---. This internal enemy is your influential friend or a senior that you respect very much---someone in position of authority---and you listen to him---because he sounds very intelligent---non confrontational---peace loving---sounds repectable---but is a peacenik---does not understand the speed and intensity of how a war starts---and has gathered a following of many---who just wag their tails and follow him---.

Now when war starts---he disappears---at that time---the majority finds out---that they were listening to someone with a HIDDEN AGENDA of making pakistan weak right from the gitgo---.

Even though the 27th was a "skirmish" in name---it was the pre-cursor to a full blown war---.

You kids would have learnt by now---AS ACCIDENTS HAPPEN---without announcing themselves---war between india and pakistan can also start with an accident---.

Hi,

I do not know how many times it needs to be told to the members that the JF17 is not capable to operate with two CM400's.

Now there maybe a picture or two around for it to be seen carrying them---but on a practical note---the JF17 does not have the body and the wing to be stable after the launch of one missile.

There is even a air marshall's interview out there that has been posted many a times---.



Hi,

There always has to be a suitable compromise to what you need to have---.

On the 27th---the Paf did not have enough upper end aircraft to counter the enemy if things had gone out of control---.

A superstar on this board araz declared that he will quit the forum---if a war started---. Well the war happened and he is still here---.

Pakistani young men need to learn now who the internal enemy is---. This internal enemy is your influential friend or a senior that you respect very much---someone in position of authority---and you listen to him---because he sounds very intelligent---non confrontational---peace loving---sounds repectable---but is a peacenik---does not understand the speed and intensity of how a war starts---and has gathered a following of many---who just wag their tails and follow him---.

Now when war starts---he disappears---at that time---the majority finds out---that they were listening to someone with a HIDDEN AGENDA of making pakistan weak right from the gitgo---.

Even though the 27th was a "skirmish" in name---it was the pre-cursor to a full blown war---.

You kids would have learnt by now---AS ACCIDENTS HAPPEN---without announcing themselves---war between india and pakistan can also start with an accident---.

If you so sir..may be you have inside information than we dont or may be you have worked out the airodynamics

Below is 90+200+700+600(800liters)+700+200+90 load out = 2.5 tones still less than maximum advertised load out of 4.0-4.5 tones

Already has this capability @MastanKhan

Problem is endurance ..it need to have enough endurance (not necessarily range)with these missles..it needs more fuel space at least and preferably some upgrade with engine effiency /dry trust