JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[mudas777]

We desperately need block 3 and need it fast and during these crisis they would have been immensely helpful. We really need to ramp up the production to much higher level then currently it is. We can't afford to take another decade to replace older aircraft with the newer ones.

 

[ZAC1]

I live in gujranwala div ...here today to much jetfighters crossing ....so much sound heard ...is everything fine..we have a cloudy day here so unable to see much

 

[Maxpane]

i heard jets sound in lahore too

 

[Mrc]

Just precautiinary alert

 

[MastanKhan]

We desperately need block 3 and need it fast and during these crisis they would have been immensely helpful. We really need to ramp up the production to much higher level then currently it is. We can't afford to take another decade to replace older aircraft with the newer ones.

Hi,

Really---you do understand that it would take about 8-10 years to integrate that aircraft into service and have capable pilots flying it---.

Youngman---most pakistani adults and children have no comprehension that to fight the war that is going to start tomorrow---you have to have the weapons procured 5---10 years ago---so that yur soldiers are well trained and able and capable to operate the machine to its fullest.

India lost multiple mig21's in the 1971 conflict against the F86 sabre---why---because their pilots did not have enough flying time on them.

Paf generals have really fk'd up pakistan---.

 

[ejaz007]

How does Pakistan’s Thunder fare against contenders in Malaysia’s aircraft competition?
By: Usman Ansari   11 hours ago
denied the report.

Pakistan renewed efforts last year, most notably at April’s DSA defense expo in Malaysia and November’s IDEAS defense conference in Pakistan. Pakistan is offering the latest Block III variant.

The 2021-2022 LCA program delivery time frame means a Malaysian order could include some of the first fighters off the production line, with potential industrial offsets.

Analyst and former Pakistan Air Force pilot Kaiser Tufail says the Block III “is quite promising" with an active electronically scanned array radar, helmet-mounted display and sight, electronic countermeasures, and an additional underbelly intake sensor station.

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Tufail noted the JF-17 has been operational for the past 12 years and serves in six squadrons at full operational capability, whereas the Tejas was inducted just days ago “and has to go through the usual teething troubles.”

"On cost grounds, the JF-17 has a square chance,” he said.

Ben Ho, an air power analyst with the Military Studies Programme at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said the contenders have “fairly similar” performance, with individual advantages “marginal” or “negated in other areas.”

The JF-17 costs $25 million per unit, and the Tejas and the FA-50 cost approximately $28 million and $30 million respectively. An order of 36 JF-17 fighters would mean “a very substantial amount will be saved,” Ho said.

The FA-50 is produced by South Korea’s Korea Aerospace Industries. (Republic of Korea Air Force via Korea Aerospace Industries)
However, the JF-17’s Russian engine may be problematic, as due to serviceability issues with the related engine of Malaysia’s MiG-29s, potentially requiring “significant after-sales support and maintenance,” Ho added.

The Tejas is powered by the same General Electric F404 engine used in Malaysia’s F/A-18s, and shares weaponry with the Su-30s. However, the Tejas’ Israeli avionics would likely need replaced, which “invariably means additional costs,” he noted.

While the FA-50 is the “costliest prima facie,” it is also powered by the F404, shares weaponry used by the F/A-18, may have “lower downstream costs” and is in service regionally, allowing “interoperability between its major regional counterparts during exercises and operations,” he added.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...contenders-in-malaysias-aircraft-competition/

 

[My-Analogous]

How does Pakistan’s Thunder fare against contenders in Malaysia’s aircraft competition?
By: Usman Ansari   11 hours ago
denied the report.

Pakistan renewed efforts last year, most notably at April’s DSA defense expo in Malaysia and November’s IDEAS defense conference in Pakistan. Pakistan is offering the latest Block III variant.

The 2021-2022 LCA program delivery time frame means a Malaysian order could include some of the first fighters off the production line, with potential industrial offsets.

Analyst and former Pakistan Air Force pilot Kaiser Tufail says the Block III “is quite promising" with an active electronically scanned array radar, helmet-mounted display and sight, electronic countermeasures, and an additional underbelly intake sensor station.

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Tufail noted the JF-17 has been operational for the past 12 years and serves in six squadrons at full operational capability, whereas the Tejas was inducted just days ago “and has to go through the usual teething troubles.”

"On cost grounds, the JF-17 has a square chance,” he said.

Ben Ho, an air power analyst with the Military Studies Programme at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said the contenders have “fairly similar” performance, with individual advantages “marginal” or “negated in other areas.”

The JF-17 costs $25 million per unit, and the Tejas and the FA-50 cost approximately $28 million and $30 million respectively. An order of 36 JF-17 fighters would mean “a very substantial amount will be saved,” Ho said.

The FA-50 is produced by South Korea’s Korea Aerospace Industries. (Republic of Korea Air Force via Korea Aerospace Industries)
However, the JF-17’s Russian engine may be problematic, as due to serviceability issues with the related engine of Malaysia’s MiG-29s, potentially requiring “significant after-sales support and maintenance,” Ho added.

The Tejas is powered by the same General Electric F404 engine used in Malaysia’s F/A-18s, and shares weaponry with the Su-30s. However, the Tejas’ Israeli avionics would likely need replaced, which “invariably means additional costs,” he noted.

While the FA-50 is the “costliest prima facie,” it is also powered by the F404, shares weaponry used by the F/A-18, may have “lower downstream costs” and is in service regionally, allowing “interoperability between its major regional counterparts during exercises and operations,” he added.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...contenders-in-malaysias-aircraft-competition/

JF17 operation cost is very low compare to others. Pakistan uses few rd93 over 4000+ before overheal to check the quality of the engines

 

[monitor]

How does Pakistan’s Thunder fare against contenders in Malaysia’s aircraft competition?
By: Usman Ansari   11 hours ago
denied the report.

Pakistan renewed efforts last year, most notably at April’s DSA defense expo in Malaysia and November’s IDEAS defense conference in Pakistan. Pakistan is offering the latest Block III variant.

The 2021-2022 LCA program delivery time frame means a Malaysian order could include some of the first fighters off the production line, with potential industrial offsets.

Analyst and former Pakistan Air Force pilot Kaiser Tufail says the Block III “is quite promising" with an active electronically scanned array radar, helmet-mounted display and sight, electronic countermeasures, and an additional underbelly intake sensor station.

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Get the latest news about space and strategic systems
Tufail noted the JF-17 has been operational for the past 12 years and serves in six squadrons at full operational capability, whereas the Tejas was inducted just days ago “and has to go through the usual teething troubles.”

"On cost grounds, the JF-17 has a square chance,” he said.

Ben Ho, an air power analyst with the Military Studies Programme at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, said the contenders have “fairly similar” performance, with individual advantages “marginal” or “negated in other areas.”

The JF-17 costs $25 million per unit, and the Tejas and the FA-50 cost approximately $28 million and $30 million respectively. An order of 36 JF-17 fighters would mean “a very substantial amount will be saved,” Ho said.

The FA-50 is produced by South Korea’s Korea Aerospace Industries. (Republic of Korea Air Force via Korea Aerospace Industries)
However, the JF-17’s Russian engine may be problematic, as due to serviceability issues with the related engine of Malaysia’s MiG-29s, potentially requiring “significant after-sales support and maintenance,” Ho added.

The Tejas is powered by the same General Electric F404 engine used in Malaysia’s F/A-18s, and shares weaponry with the Su-30s. However, the Tejas’ Israeli avionics would likely need replaced, which “invariably means additional costs,” he noted.

While the FA-50 is the “costliest prima facie,” it is also powered by the F404, shares weaponry used by the F/A-18, may have “lower downstream costs” and is in service regionally, allowing “interoperability between its major regional counterparts during exercises and operations,” he added.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...contenders-in-malaysias-aircraft-competition/

JF-17 main advantage is its a operational light combat aircraft design from the beginning as a fighter compare to F/A-50 which is basically a training aircraft . if Pakistan can assure the quality of RD-93 engine JF-17 have good chance to win .

 

[My-Analogous]

JF-17 main advantage is its a operational light combat aircraft design from the beginning as a fighter compare to F/A-50 which is basically a training aircraft . if Pakistan can assure the quality of RD-93 engine JF-17 have good chance to win .

RD93 is mature platform and it share same technology user in RD33.

 

[monitor]

RD93 is mature platform and it share same technology user in RD33.

You have to convince this to Malaysian to get the contract .

 

[GriffinsRule]

Hold a joint training exercise with the Malaysian Air Force.

 

[air marshal]

http://falcons.pk/photo/JF-17-Thunder/614

 

[air marshal]

https://falcons.pk/photo/JF-17-Thunder-Block-2/1669

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I live in gujranwala div ...here today to much jetfighters crossing ....so much sound heard ...is everything fine..we have a cloudy day here so unable to see much

Weird you talk do.

https://falcons.pk/photo/JF-17-Thunder-Block-2/1669

Can I get one in dark metallic blue?

 

[Jinn Baba]

Hi,

Really---you do understand that it would take about 8-10 years to integrate that aircraft into service and have capable pilots flying it---.

Youngman---most pakistani adults and children have no comprehension that to fight the war that is going to start tomorrow---you have to have the weapons procured 5---10 years ago---so that yur soldiers are well trained and able and capable to operate the machine to its fullest.

India lost multiple mig21's in the 1971 conflict against the F86 sabre---why---because their pilots did not have enough flying time on them.

Paf generals have really fk'd up pakistan---.

But the air frame and engine would be the same, just change in electronics. So wouldn't integration be a lot quicker? Wouldn't existing thunder pilots/technicians be ready to go as soon as block 3 arrives?