JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[denel]

InshaaAllah. However lets wait and see where it comes from. As per BilalKhan 777 the South African product is not ready. So let us wait and see. We may have to look west wards again!!!
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we had a few versions already available and one was integrated into our Gripen. With JF-17 the main challenge would be that of integration into overall systems and client requirements.

 

[Khadim e Darul Ehsaan]

Newly born jf17 flying high and leaving trail

 

[timberwolf]

Nothing despicable about it. Think about why Badr started. When the enemy is trying to raise funds explicitly with the aim of buying weapons and threatening us, then it is our job to destroy it.

Islam and islamic history have been distorted beyond recognition by goons who have no self respect and no boundaries. Everything is Halal when Mullah wants it for himself and everything is Haram when he doesn't want it for Others. Any self respecting Muslim cannot accept the notion that Rasool Ullah PBUH and his Great As'hab would fight a war just to inflict misrey and destruction over a people. Rasool Ullah PBUH when he had absolute power over his enemies forgave them and forbade his armies not to destroy the fields of the enemy, not to cut their trees, not to kill their children women and old who couldn't fight.

This mentality is what we have just witnessed in faiz Abad dharna. A Mullah abusing openly infront of hundreds of Ahl e Eman and they were all okay with it. And they claimed that Nauz o Billah such precedent has been set by the Quran and Hadith. Astaghfirullah.

Brother may Allah grant you wisdom to see the right path. We come here to talk about t Jf17 and its progress. Can you please take your talk else where.?

 

[CriticalThought]

Islam and islamic history have been distorted beyond recognition by goons who have no self respect and no boundaries. Everything is Halal when Mullah wants it for himself and everything is Haram when he doesn't want it for Others. Any self respecting Muslim cannot accept the notion that Rasool Ullah PBUH and his Great As'hab would fight a war just to inflict misrey and destruction over a people. Rasool Ullah PBUH when he had absolute power over his enemies forgave them and forbade his armies not to destroy the fields of the enemy, not to cut their trees, not to kill their children women and old who couldn't fight.

This mentality is what we have just witnessed in faiz Abad dharna. A Mullah abusing openly infront of hundreds of Ahl e Eman and they were all okay with it. And they claimed that Nauz o Billah such precedent has been set by the Quran and Hadith. Astaghfirullah.

Brother may Allah grant you wisdom to see the right path. We come here to talk about t Jf17 and its progress. Can you please take your talk else where.?

Islam isn't the name of what is accepted by so-called 'self respecting Muslims', but rather, the Commandments of Allah the Almighty as Revealed upon and executed by Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wasallam, and followed by the Guided Companions May Allah be Pleased with them. Invoking 'self-respecting Muslims' and thus, by implication, calling others non-self respecting is pretty crass. Needless to say, you have neither a clue of Islam, Islamic History, nor any clue of defence matters. So keep you 'opinion' to yourself and increase your knowledge.

 

[timberwolf]

I have said what i wanted to say. I do not engage in useless rhetorical discussions. That's not my way. What is have said, It may not be for you but for many other people who would read all the discussions here and may or may not form an opinion. Defence Pk has much broader audience than anyother forum in Pakistan, regardless of any topic it is the most active Pakistani forum there is. It is for them, that i have even bothered to respond to your 'opinion'. So that it may be known that a counter narrative was proposed.

Despite that, people are intelligent enough to read both narratives and figure out the right way for themselves. Neither you nor i can force anyone.

Have a nice day and try to be nice to all around you.

 

[The Accountant]

Islam and islamic history have been distorted beyond recognition by goons who have no self respect and no boundaries. Everything is Halal when Mullah wants it for himself and everything is Haram when he doesn't want it for Others. Any self respecting Muslim cannot accept the notion that Rasool Ullah PBUH and his Great As'hab would fight a war just to inflict misrey and destruction over a people. Rasool Ullah PBUH when he had absolute power over his enemies forgave them and forbade his armies not to destroy the fields of the enemy, not to cut their trees, not to kill their children women and old who couldn't fight.

This mentality is what we have just witnessed in faiz Abad dharna. A Mullah abusing openly infront of hundreds of Ahl e Eman and they were all okay with it. And they claimed that Nauz o Billah such precedent has been set by the Quran and Hadith. Astaghfirullah.

Brother may Allah grant you wisdom to see the right path. We come here to talk about t Jf17 and its progress. Can you please take your talk else where.?

Offtopic but brother your statement is also a distortion of islam... So keep it to some other topic and forum where i can explain how wrong you are ... For example try to search what punsihment did muslims gave to jews tribe involved in conspiracy of ghazwa.e.khandaq ...

All mens if the tribes were ordered to be killed and woman and childrens were ordered to leave madina ...

Dont want to drag it here if you want to debate then open a thread and invite me

 

[Bratva]

报道也确认了枭龙第三批改进型内部的若干变动，由于需要使用新型雷达（预计是中国研制的KLJ-7A有源相控阵雷达）以及新型航电，包括全新电子战系统，第三批内部有不少变化。报道指出“座舱通风管改走向”，而且难度很大，为此进行多次攻关，最终在环控、结构、强度方面多次推翻重来，最终完成了这一重大改进。

The report also confirmed a number of changes in the JF-17BLOCK3 improved internal,Due to the need to use the new radar (which is expected to be developed in China KLJ-7A active phased array radar) and the new avionics,Including the new electronic warfare system, there are many changes within the BLOCK3.The report pointed out that "the orientation of the cockpit ventilation pipe was changed", and it was very difficult to carry out many tackling problems in this regard. In the end, it repeatedly overthrown the control, structure and strength and finally completed this major improvement.


　　此外，报道点出了若干无线电发射设备的变动，可能与新的电子战系统有关。报道指出经过攻关，实现发射器无需凸起的鼓包天线罩。这是一大突破，因为过去无线电发射器一般要求外露在机身以外，以保证有效收发，“埋入”机身内的发射器是近年第五代战斗机的技术特征之一，有利于隐身、降低阻力和简化维护维修工作。

In addition, the report points to changes in several radio transmitting equipment that may be related to the new electronic warfare system.The report pointed out that after research, to achieve launchers without bulging radome.This is a major breakthrough. In the past, radio transmitters were generally required to be exposed outside the fuselage in order to ensure effective transceiver. The "buried" fuselage launcher is one of the technical characteristics of the fifth generation fighter in recent years, which is conducive to stealth, Reduce drag and simplify maintenance and repair work.

(Block-III will host EW system internally like F-16 Block-52 instead of hosting a fairing at the tip of the tail fin. It also confirms IRST is not going to be part of Block-III)

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-12-29/doc-ifyqcwaq5693544.shtml

 

[graphican]

It also confirms IRST is not going to be part of Block-III.

Is absence or IRST a performance compromise because of space or something which we can do without?

 

[The Accountant]

报道也确认了枭龙第三批改进型内部的若干变动，由于需要使用新型雷达（预计是中国研制的KLJ-7A有源相控阵雷达）以及新型航电，包括全新电子战系统，第三批内部有不少变化。报道指出“座舱通风管改走向”，而且难度很大，为此进行多次攻关，最终在环控、结构、强度方面多次推翻重来，最终完成了这一重大改进。

The report also confirmed a number of changes in the JF-17BLOCK3 improved internal,Due to the need to use the new radar (which is expected to be developed in China KLJ-7A active phased array radar) and the new avionics,Including the new electronic warfare system, there are many changes within the BLOCK3.The report pointed out that "the orientation of the cockpit ventilation pipe was changed", and it was very difficult to carry out many tackling problems in this regard. In the end, it repeatedly overthrown the control, structure and strength and finally completed this major improvement.


　　此外，报道点出了若干无线电发射设备的变动，可能与新的电子战系统有关。报道指出经过攻关，实现发射器无需凸起的鼓包天线罩。这是一大突破，因为过去无线电发射器一般要求外露在机身以外，以保证有效收发，“埋入”机身内的发射器是近年第五代战斗机的技术特征之一，有利于隐身、降低阻力和简化维护维修工作。

In addition, the report points to changes in several radio transmitting equipment that may be related to the new electronic warfare system.The report pointed out that after research, to achieve launchers without bulging radome.This is a major breakthrough. In the past, radio transmitters were generally required to be exposed outside the fuselage in order to ensure effective transceiver. The "buried" fuselage launcher is one of the technical characteristics of the fifth generation fighter in recent years, which is conducive to stealth, Reduce drag and simplify maintenance and repair work.

(Block-III will host EW system internally like F-16 Block-52 instead of hosting a fairing at the tip of the tail fin. It also confirms IRST is not going to be part of Block-III)

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2017-12-29/doc-ifyqcwaq5693544.shtml

Except for irst everything is fine

 

[Chak Bamu]

@Bratva I can not figure out / extrapolate from the translation as to what shows that IRST is excluded?

 

[Bratva]

@Bratva I can not figure out / extrapolate from the translation as to what shows that IRST is excluded?

The plumbing of avionics pipe plus no explicit mention of IRST. The avionics needs to be adjusted once again if IRST is to be introduce again and as per them, "it repeatedly overthrown the control, structure and strength and finally completed this major improvement."

Is absence or IRST a performance compromise because of space or something which we can do without?

Guess due to space because AESA radar cooling has to be adjusted somewhere as well

 

[Sine Nomine]

Bought big cars with the 500million excess in our budget instead of a steel mill from Germany in the 50s, failed to understand the need for having basic ammunation and even tanks being built in house in 50s and 60s resulting in running out of ammunition in 65.

I would be very thankful Sir,if you would write that whole saga.

The plumbing of avionics pipe plus no explicit mention of IRST. The avionics needs to be adjusted once again if IRST is to be introduce again and as per them, "it repeatedly overthrown the control, structure and strength and finally completed this major improvement."



Guess due to space because AESA radar cooling has to be adjusted somewhere as well

Any where else in JFT,where it can be accomodated without hurdles,excluding POD.

 

[Tempest II]

Is absence or IRST a performance compromise because of space or something which we can do without?

I guess the Aselsan pod will have to do.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1211.html

"During my mid-afternoon flight with 416th FLTS test pilot Maj. Hank "Hog" Griffiths, the Sniper-XR FLIR routinely produced cockpit-display images that rivaled a black-and-white photograph. Thermal imagery was automatically enhanced by proprietary image-processing algorithms, and both optical and electronic zoom options allowed us to detect, identify, track and target fixed and moving objects at ranges up to 86 naut. mi.

 

[CriticalThought]

The plumbing of avionics pipe plus no explicit mention of IRST. The avionics needs to be adjusted once again if IRST is to be introduce again and as per them, "it repeatedly overthrown the control, structure and strength and finally completed this major improvement."



Guess due to space because AESA radar cooling has to be adjusted somewhere as well

Sir, the bold part is about 'cockpit ventilation pipe' not a supposed 'avionics pipe'. There is nothing to suggest IRST won't be there.

 

[volatile]

IRST will be plug and play since the concept makes it simpler for earlier blocks to have similar capabilities