JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 6]

[RAMPAGE]

@Oscar @fatman17

Any chance of full FBW on blk 3?

 

[Fahad Khan 2]

A noobish question

Can a more powerful engine will increase its loading capacity on wings????

 

[55100864]

Pylon on the wingtips can also cause vibration during high speed and maneuvering，it also affects roll rate.
The thunder can carrying missile on wingtips, you just have to make a balanced decision between payload, speed and maneuverability.

Anyway, why is everyone here obsessed with large payload? Different airforce have different priority，the USAF is offensive airforce, thence it usually carry tons of democracy, also because they have sick engines, even a cube can fly with a sick engine. The PLAAF however value speed, combat radius and maneuverability more.

 

[MastanKhan]

This is not a rule. F-16s and Gripen do carry BVRAAMs on their wingtip rails.

Hi,

The only reason the BVR is carried on wing tip is that you already know that it will be launched first---. You are pretty much in a straight flight----has a lock and wing tip bvr will be launched first--basically not hindering in the maneuverability of the aircraft.

In this mode the aircraft is setup for total BVR combat----it will launch its load and turn away from combat.

In this mode----the F 16 can carry 6 BVR missiles and that is a good load.

 

[fatman17]

Just a nice pic

 

[fatman17]

@Oscar @fatman17

Any chance of full FBW on blk 3?

Block III is a ways away. Possibility must exist with the planners.

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar @fatman17

Any chance of full FBW on blk 3?

No need for it. A full FBW will require a partial redesign which while not that expensive would need to be justified. Since the PAF is happy with the current configuration and no customer has asked for it there is no need to do it.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

 

[Arsalan]

A noobish question

Can a more powerful engine will increase its loading capacity on wings????

May need to redesign and reenforce the wing structures to carry that extra weight and deal with the drag.

 

[MastanKhan]

A noobish question

Can a more powerful engine will increase its loading capacity on wings????

Hi,

If that happens then we will again talk about issues of thrust to weight ratios----a never ending cyclic discussion.

 

[nomi007]

many indian jealous members are saying
Pakistan cant integrate
RA'AD missiles on thunder

i just say to those idiots
we already integrate MAR-1
missile on jf-17
which is Brazilian origin

RA'AD to gher ka bacha hai

is ko integrate karna kon sa masla hai
GB-6 Air-Launched Standoff Sub munition Dispenser Precision Guided Weapon
and RAAD are same size

 

[OTTOMAN]

Hi,

The only reason the BVR is carried on wing tip is that you already know that it will be launched first---. You are pretty much in a straight flight----has a lock and wing tip bvr will be launched first--basically not hindering in the maneuverability of the aircraft.

In this mode the aircraft is setup for total BVR combat----it will launch its load and turn away from combat.

In this mode----the F 16 can carry 6 BVR missiles and that is a good load.

Dear MK,
In light of below linked report, what are your remarks regarding future air combat scenarios vs. F-35?
Report: In test dogfight, F-35 gets waxed by F-16 | Ars Technica

 

[Moon]

Dear MK,
In light of below linked report, what are your remarks regarding future air combat scenarios vs. F-35?
Report: In test dogfight, F-35 gets waxed by F-16 | Ars Technica

F-35 is stealth, it doesn't need to dodge the enemy if it isn't seen by one, plus F-35 will engage from long distances with high tech weaponry which would guarantee utmost precision and efficiency, rendering dog fighting useless, in short an F-16 would be shot down before the pilot can even say "I have been locked on".

 

[MastanKhan]

Dear MK,
In light of below linked report, what are your remarks regarding future air combat scenarios vs. F-35?
Report: In test dogfight, F-35 gets waxed by F-16 | Ars Technica

Hi,

Here is the thing-----the opponent pilot will be able to see the F 35 / F 22 visually---but his electronics will be blind---he will not be getting a lock on anything but that anything is right in front of his eyes.

I always say----if someone is down playing the leading U S weapons system----then---please put your hands on your behind and run far away from the scene as fast as you can.

 

[Viper0011.]

Dear MK,
In light of below linked report, what are your remarks regarding future air combat scenarios vs. F-35?
Report: In test dogfight, F-35 gets waxed by F-16 | Ars Technica

What on the earth would make you think that the -35 and the -22 would get into dog fights? These scenarios have less than 5% of the chance. These two platforms are there to get in, take out majority of the enemy air force and air defense assets, leave the area for the -15's, -16's and the -18's for further "cleanup" and provide air superiority oversight and maintain combat air patrols over the enemy territory. The -16 is probably one of the most maneuverable jet out there, it beats everything.
But with -35 and -22, you can see the plane and get behind it....but your electronics will give you a middle finger instead of locking onto anything.

BTW, this is a JFT thread.....