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actually you dont have the full picture..we brought f-16s why back in 80s with expectation of ugrades and every thing..and dint got it...if we knew this would happen we could have easily opt for mirage2000

eygpian brought much of the f-16s with foreign Aid not there own money..also it was stupid decision to buy an f-16 without BVR..they could have easily brought mirages or migs for that money and they should have.

i dont think so how this means america helping us out


Sir,

We got the F 16's out of our arrogance-----to show off---to strut around in front of india---we wanted to be the co-ck of the walk in asia----. If you can search my post from a few years ago---you will find my stand on the F16 and mirage 2k----.

We knew what was going to happen----and we still jumped into it----it was not the first time that it had happened----didn't we know in 2002 what was coming after 8---9 years-----. Who on this board did not know that----only the pak army and the pak air force----other than that it was written on the wall and the skies above us.

AIM 120 is a game changer----even in your worst hours of your relationship with someone---you must never forget the good things he has done for you-----the aim 120 was and is one of those.
 
I still say AMRAAMs will play a vital decisive role everytime F-16s go up there. US wants its weapons tested in all environment against Russian products.

The Americans have very high standards, every air battle is monitored data collected and scrutinized.

We might get slapped with sanctions incase of War but what PAF has acquired will be used against.
 
Egypt Inventory
they possess BVR.

Egypt Missiles R 530 Matra Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles Super 530D Matra BAE Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles R 550 Magic Matra BAE Air-to-Ai
r
Egypt Missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-9M Sidewinder Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-9P-3 SidewinderRaytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7E Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7F Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7M Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air

Egypt Missiles AA-2 'Atoll' Vympel Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AGM-65A Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AGM-65D Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AGM-65G Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AS 30L Aerospatiale Matra Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles ARMAT Matra BAE Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AM 39 Exocet Aerospatiale Matra Anti-Ship Attack
Egypt Missiles AGM-84G Harpoon Boeing Anti-Ship Attack
Egypt Missiles HOT Euromissile Anti-Armour
Egypt Missiles AGM-114A Hellfire Hellfire Anti-Armour
 
we discuss it many times with them on there forums .jf-17 is trainer and garbage for them they have secret program of mig-1.4 and Cairo-2000 which will be equal to su-35 or f-35 . jft is second gen fighter as per Egyptians .as per them they get mig-1.4 project secretly from russia and now with touch of egyption tech it will be 4.5++++ gen fighter made in egypt .so made in china not fit for there needs .

Could you provide a link to these forums? I've tried googling up some Middle Eastern defence forums but haven't been able to find anything. Thanks!
 
we discuss it many times with them on there forums .jf-17 is trainer and garbage for them they have secret program of mig-1.4 and Cairo-2000 which will be equal to su-35 or f-35 . jft is second gen fighter as per Egyptians .as per them they get mig-1.4 project secretly from russia and now with touch of egyption tech it will be 4.5++++ gen fighter made in egypt .so made in china not fit for there needs .

That is funny. Indians are in the same league. They call Thunder "Bandar". But they forget that by calling it Bandar , they are acknowledging it to be the Hanuman Devta which it will vary well prove to be against them
 
Egypt Inventory
they possess BVR.

Egypt Missiles R 530 Matra Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles Super 530D Matra BAE Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles R 550 Magic Matra BAE Air-to-Ai
r
Egypt Missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-9M Sidewinder Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-9P-3 SidewinderRaytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7E Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7F Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7M Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air

Egypt Missiles AA-2 'Atoll' Vympel Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AGM-65A Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AGM-65D Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AGM-65G Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AS 30L Aerospatiale Matra Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles ARMAT Matra BAE Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AM 39 Exocet Aerospatiale Matra Anti-Ship Attack
Egypt Missiles AGM-84G Harpoon Boeing Anti-Ship Attack
Egypt Missiles HOT Euromissile Anti-Armour
Egypt Missiles AGM-114A Hellfire Hellfire Anti-Armour

They should technically possess AIM-120's and Mica's.. but the Israeli lobby apparently works well against them.
The 120 for us is a game changer.. pound for pound, compared to the R-77 it is proven in combat.. and tested beyond doubt.
 
Could you provide a link to these forums? I've tried googling up some Middle Eastern defence forums but haven't been able to find anything. Thanks!

its just a fanclub rumor with no way near to be realistic..
you cant find much links on fiction can you?
 
Everyone knows that Egypt has been bribed and paid for not being offensive in any way to Israel. It is laughable that one gets big numbers of AMRAAM capable f16's but no AMRAAM. But if that is strange then what about Saudi oil being pumped into US tankers and then floated direct to Israel and Israel producing the wings of Saudi F15's. The most funny was a few weeks ago. Ex-Israeli military choppers send to Spain and then sold to Iran. Luckily the Spanish found out the deal. So the whole world is interlinked one way or the other and we should not make one thing bigger then the other. When there is money and greed then there is no extra excuse needed.
 
Existence of Isreal is essential for the middle eastern monarchies because it gives their people someone to hate and curse all the time yet not able to do anything about it. This way they can keep the people off their backs. Suppose if Palistaine is to gain its freedom, what sort of government will be in place there? a democracy is what most people believe here in the ME, because the palistanians have gone through hell and will not settle for some dictator to take over. The monarchies around are not very found of this idea as the wind of change may reach their region. My post is off the topic and may be deleted but i was just trying to give a little background into the theories of Cairo 2000 and other such advanced secret military programs which unfortunately only exist in the imagination of the people through their government propaganda. The govts. promotes the enemy (Isreal) and give false hope through such propaganda to keep the people waiting for the final blow to be delivered to the enemy and yet nothing happens. Any middle-eastern country including egypt will not have any weapon which Isreal disapproves of, those who tried to digress have been torn apart and made an example to fear (Syria, Yemen, Libya)
Hence, a JF-17 with BVR might not be politically viable.
 
Existence of Isreal is essential for the middle eastern monarchies because it gives their people someone to hate and curse all the time yet not able to do anything about it. This way they can keep the people off their backs. Suppose if Palistaine is to gain its freedom, what sort of government will be in place there? a democracy is what most people believe here in the ME, because the palistanians have gone through hell and will not settle for some dictator to take over. The monarchies around are not very found of this idea as the wind of change may reach their region. My post is off the topic and may be deleted but i was just trying to give a little background into the theories of Cairo 2000 and other such advanced secret military programs which unfortunately only exist in the imagination of the people through their government propaganda. The govts. promotes the enemy (Isreal) and give false hope through such propaganda to keep the people waiting for the final blow to be delivered to the enemy and yet nothing happens. Any middle-eastern country including egypt will not have any weapon which Isreal disapproves of, those who tried to digress have been torn apart and made an example to fear (Syria, Yemen, Libya)
Hence, a JF-17 with BVR might not be politically viable.

exactly when gov failed to fill the gep between israel they start secret imegnation game .many of educated and well aware spread this secrets wtih out a single link or image or source and commen guys read and believe that they are world most strong nation even there is bloody day waiting for them like beka vally war and whole SAF knee down infront of israel .its really hard now to counter israel for egypt as israel is now 40 years advance then all of its border arab states in air force .the real touch is not Egyptian but israeli as they touch f-16 f-15 and make its world most strong types of both .they guy who waste 30 years and lick US ISRAEL feet and was hero of nation husni is in court today .now remain chill only .when they was busy to by teeth less f-16 in 90s we was busy to making some thing here in home .now remain only single lame joke of secret fleet of world most advanced jets and thats may be also without BVR engine and avionics as they never made such things. now we can understand our air force work on r-darter black arrow not sleep as them .and funny part of this episode is we made junk lolz
 
That is funny. Indians are in the same league. They call Thunder "Bandar". But they forget that by calling it Bandar , they are acknowledging it to be the Hanuman Devta which it will vary well prove to be against them

exactly sir they behave same like indians many times i notice it .they attack as groups they troll when no answer they insult others like indians when no answer they have they compare it as indians flame as made in china every thing is same .
 
Egypt Inventory
they possess BVR.

Egypt Missiles R 530 Matra Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles Super 530D Matra BAE Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles R 550 Magic Matra BAE Air-to-Ai
r
Egypt Missiles AIM-9L Sidewinder Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-9M Sidewinder Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-9P-3 SidewinderRaytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7E Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7F Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AIM-7M Sparrow Raytheon Air-to-Air

Egypt Missiles AA-2 'Atoll' Vympel Air-to-Air
Egypt Missiles AGM-65A Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AGM-65D Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AGM-65G Maverick Raytheon Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AS 30L Aerospatiale Matra Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles ARMAT Matra BAE Air-to-Ground
Egypt Missiles AM 39 Exocet Aerospatiale Matra Anti-Ship Attack
Egypt Missiles AGM-84G Harpoon Boeing Anti-Ship Attack
Egypt Missiles HOT Euromissile Anti-Armour
Egypt Missiles AGM-114A Hellfire Hellfire Anti-Armour

its say whole thing sir israel rock it

yet we have this also




Friday, February 18, 2011 INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING

Report: Egypt maintains larger air combat fleet 'than it can properly support'



WASHINGTON — The Egyptian Air Force has been unable to support its large combat fleet, a report said.

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The Center for Strategic and International Studies asserted that Egypt has failed to maintain its huge F-16 multi-role fighter fleet supplied by the United States. In a report by former Pentagon official Anthony Cordesman, the center said the Air Force has been hampered by crashes of fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, Middle East Newsline reported.

"Egypt maintains much larger numbers of combat aircraft than it can properly support — in effect, disarming by over-arming," the report, titled "The Egyptian Military and the Arab-Israeli Military Balance," said. "As is the case with the Egyptian Army, Egypt maintains a substantial pool of low-grade and obsolete weapons platforms that do not serve any apparent military purpose."

The Egyptian Air Force has more than 200 F-16s, first procured in the early 1980s. The air force has been awaiting delivery of 20 F-16 Block 52+ fighters from Lockheed Martin.

"Furthermore, while Egypt continues to acquire growing numbers of F-16s, the Air Force has suffered from a steady number of crashed aircraft and poor systems integration," the report, released earlier this month, said.

Egypt receives $1.3 billion in annual U.S. military aid. The administration of President Barack Obama has pledged to continue to fund the Egyptian military in wake of the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak.

The report said Egypt has also accumulated a large air defense network. Egypt was also said to have installed chemical warheads for its Scud missile fleet.

"Egypt has an unknown number of Scud-Bs, and at least 9-12 mobile TEL launchers," the report said. "There are a number of reports that it has operational Scud-Cs that it produced using technology it obtained from North Korea. Reports indicate that the CIA detected Egyptian imports of Scud-C production technology in 1996."

The report said Egypt's military has been hampered by continued reliance on conscription and the militarization of social welfare. Cordesman determined that Egypt, with a $3.4 billion defense budget, has become more dependent on U.S. aid than any other country in the Middle East.

"It is unlikely that this trend will change, making U.S. assistance all that more essential to Egypt's long term plans for military procurement," the report said.
 
Imran bhai... lagta hay app ka egyptian forums pay kaffi bad time guzra hay lol. Any ways we have more then enough problems ourselves, so should not wast time on those who don't listen.
 
Imran bhai... lagta hay app ka egyptian forums pay kaffi bad time guzra hay lol. Any ways we have more then enough problems ourselves, so should not wast time on those who don't listen.

is liye chor diya bhai
 
israeil has mere population of 6 million of which 1 miilion are arab muslims ...
so believe me the day arab stood together..we will either see end of Israel or worldwar 3

Arabs have money, they can buy any amount of military weapons and co produce them from russia or china ..who dont really care about Israel..

problems is right leadership
 
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