JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[MilSpec]

What will be the estimated price of the FC1 with an AESA radar?

-thanks

 

[TaimiKhan]

What will be the estimated price of the FC1 with an AESA radar?

-thanks

Not much of a difference if its a Chinese one, if a western one, then may be.

But with just radar change to AESA, i don't there would be a very drastic change in the price tag.

I believe at the most a few thousand dollars it will add to the cost, not millions.

But it depends on the cost of the tech to produce the T/R modules used in the AESA radar. If the manufacturer produces the T/R modules at lesser the cost, the selling price of the AESA radar would be low. As more and more of these AESA radars are produced, the cost would continue to be reduced.

 

[mughaljee]

Sir, TaimiKhan
Can you share here a picture of nose difference between JFT-17 & JFT-17 Block-II ?

 

[fatman17]

Not much of a difference if its a Chinese one, if a western one, then may be.

But with just radar change to AESA, i don't there would be a very drastic change in the price tag.

I believe at the most a few thousand dollars it will add to the cost, not millions.

But it depends on the cost of the tech to produce the T/R modules used in the AESA radar. If the manufacturer produces the T/R modules at lesser the cost, the selling price of the AESA radar would be low. As more and more of these AESA radars are produced, the cost would continue to be reduced.

base price of FC-1 with 100% chinese radar, avionics, weapons is US$10-12m
base price of JFT-block-1 is US$ 15m. block-2 could cost as much as US$20m. still very cheap by western standards. if the french had allowed the avionics and missile package, the JFT-block-1 would have cost US$20m per copy.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Sir, TaimiKhan
Can you share here a picture of nose difference between JFT-17 & JFT-17 Block-II ?

Sorry buddy, filhal i have no idea what Blk-II might be. I suspect we may see major changes in the design after atleast 100 samples have been delivered.

 

[rockstarIN]

base price of FC-1 with 100% chinese radar, avionics, weapons is US$10-12m
base price of JFT-block-1 is US$ 15m. block-2 could cost as much as US$20m. still very cheap by western standards. if the french had allowed the avionics and missile package, the JFT-block-1 would have cost US$20m per copy.

I do not know the details of once proposed french avionics and missile package to JFT.

Current French operating weapon system is MICA for A2A.

Guessing the weapon system is MBDA MICA for JFT, both IR as well as BVR variant.

Under Mirage-5000 up gradation deal, France is charging 800 Million USD for 52 air craft weapons. Means USD 15 million per air craft. I do not think they were offering the same @5 million to JFT, not to mention the French radar

 

[fatman17]

I do not know the details of once proposed french avionics and missile package to JFT.

Current French operating weapon system is MICA for A2A.

Guessing the weapon system is MBDA MICA for JFT, both IR as well as BVR variant.

Under Mirage-5000 up gradation deal, France is charging 800 Million USD for 52 air craft weapons. Means USD 15 million per air craft. I do not think they were offering the same @5 million to JFT, not to mention the French radar

thales radar/avionics and MICA BVR package. it was a US$1.2bill for 250 radar systems and 500 missiles.

 

[ziaulislam]

is there any possiblity for french deal to go on..
i mean 250 radars for such price is very nice deal..indian got the mirage deal for 2.4 billion which will go up to 4 billion as most countries take as much advantage as possible and price india much more than market prices...

 

[@rrows]

JF-17 blk-II version will also equipped with mid air refueling pods?

 

[Mani2020]

JF-17 blk-II version will also equipped with mid air refueling pods?

yes it will be equipped with air to air refueling probes most probably the retractable ones

 

[houshanghai]

the other pic of V-head JFT PT in yanliang was taken by mr.G(goneless) in cdf
Actually Mr.G is not ordinary guy and he is a semi-internal person in yanliang(CATC) too.

The other V-head JFT's sketch was painted by Mr.G （goneless) in cdf
A recent rumor (March 2011) suggested that an improved version with a stealth optimized forward fuselage (diamond-shaped nose cross section?) is being developed.

Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force


http://www.defence.pk/forums/jf-17-thunder/104177-jf-17-stealth-new-pak-china-joint-venutre.html
btw,the bird had made its first flight in the earlier this year

 

[Mani2020]

the other pic of V-head JFT PT in yanliang was taken by mr.G(goneless) in cdf

Houshanghai don't know why but this vertical stabilizer doesn't seems to be a JFT one, there is a clear difference in the vertical stabilizer of this aircraft shown in the pic and that of JFT

 

[houshanghai]

Houshanghai don't know why but this vertical stabilizer doesn't seems to be a JFT one, there is a clear difference in the vertical stabilizer of this aircraft shown in the pic and that of JFT

new JFT PT's vertical stabilizer was redesigned too
this new JFT PT's vertical stabilizer look like Eurofighter's by the rumor.
there have a hole in the vertical stabilizer like Eurofighter's

 

[Manticore]

in my aircraft designs thread i have posted the size and position of placement of the canards and there effects on the fighters function -- but i will try to find out effects on function with change in design of vertical stablizer

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kamra specs--
----------------------------Gripen ---JF17[blk1]----F16[blk30]

LENGTH [M]----------------14.1---14.0----14.8
WINGSPAN[M]----------------8.4----9.5-----9.8
HIEGHT[M]---------------------4.5----4.8-----4.9
WING AREA [M2]------------30.0---24.5----27.0
THRUST [KN]---------------80.5---84.4---127.0
MAX SPEED -----------------2.0----1.8-----2.0
COMBAT RADIUS[KM]----------800---1352----1500
FERRY RANGE [KM]-----------3200---3000----4000
SERVICE CIELING[M]-------15000--16700---17000
WING LOADING[KG/M2]--------333----370----431
THRUST TO WT--------------0.97---0.99----1.09

the empty wt and total loaded wt is where we have to work on , rest of the parameters are quite similar

JAS 39 GripenC/D-- empty 6,622 kg- max. take-off 12,473 kg
JF-17- empty weight 6,320 kg- max take-off weight 12,700 kg
F-16A/B/C/D - empty 8,273 kg -max. take-off 19,187 lb

Physical
-Lenth 14.33 meter
-height 4.72 meter
-wing span 9.45 meter
-empty weight 6586.26 Kg

Performance
-Max take off weight 12383.28 Kg
-max speed 1.6 at high altitude
-speed at low altitude that is 700 knots = 1.02 mach
-service ceiling 16916.4 meter roughly 17 Km
-maximum engin thrust 8700 Kg .i.e 85 Kn
-ferry range 3481.76 Km

Armamant
-Total Load capacity 3628.8 Kg


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[Mani2020]

new JFT PT's vertical stabilizer was redesigned too
this new JFT PT's vertical stabilizer look like Eurofighter's by the rumor.
there have a hole in the vertical stabilizer like Eurofighter's

I hope what you say comes true, but really if its true there have been really some major re-designs in the block-2 that too with so much pace, there are not may aircrafts whose second blocks/batches have seen such a redesigns , Change in nose design, wing shape, vertical stabilizer etc will give it a completely new breed