JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Pak123]

what has the PAF done with those JF-17's that were coloured in Pakistan and Chinese flags ? Are they also inducted in the current squadrons or will they be remain as static or display aircraft's ?

 

[Manticore]

thank you for the image, phrozen flame!!! jf17.com has finally been revived!

 

[nightcrawler]

A bubble means extra weight.. extra drag..and more expensive fabrication..
Which is why it was left out.

But what about situational awareness; we don't have any & in the coming future we will not have anything like that what they call them yes DAS technology like in F-35...

 

[Dazzler]

Even current JFT Situation Awareness is second only to blk 52s, improvement will continue. It does have a Defense Aid System comprising complete SA package.

 

[SBD-3]

Even current JFT Situation Awareness is second only to blk 52s, improvement will continue. It does have a Defense Aid System comprising complete SA package.

Of course, it should be better than our mirages and F-7s. But if it lags Bl 52 that means it lacks every equivalent to Bl52 i.e. later versions of grippen etc

 

[fatman17]

FC-1/JF-17 Thunder Dragon/Thunder
Update...

Revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1 (Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,104kg, max speed 1.8M, ceiling 18,000m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,000km, combat radius 1,200km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m). As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m). It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Powered by a Russian RD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33), it might also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan if it ever enters the service with PLAAF. An IFR probe may be installed in the future. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7 X-band multi-functional PD radar in the initial batches of 8, then subsequently switched to KLJ-10 with a better performance (track 10 engage 2, look-up range 75km, look-down range 45km for RCS=3m2). A European high performance radar (e.g. Italian Vixen 1000ES AESA) has been planned in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit with 3 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-5E/PL-9C/AIM-9M) and medium-range AAMs (SD-10), LGBs (LT-2/GBU-16), GPS/INS guided bombs (LS-6) and laser designating pod (WMD-7) can also be carried for ground attack missions, C-802A AShM for anti-ship missions. For self-protection purpose a KG300G ECM pod can be carried. The development schedule of FC-1 was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10). However, FC-1's prospect in the domestic market was not very promising, as PLAAF had largely committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to take a large number of FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lengthy negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project. The development was further accelerated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's technical specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) would have been built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two small wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertical tailfin which may house ECM equipment. Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis. A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LERX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two preproduction JF-17s (Joint Fighter-17, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 6 JF-17s (08-103 -- 08-108) were delivered between March and April 2008. The contract for PAF to acquire 42 JF-17s (mostly assembled by PAC) was singed on March 7, 2009. The first two (09-109 & 110) have been built by CAC. The first JF-17 (09-111) in the batch of 4 assembled by PAC rolled out on November 23, 2009. Besides Pakistan, several Asian and African countries also expressed interest in FC-1, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Iran, Sri Lanka and Azerbaijan. A two-seat trainer version and a single-seat ground attack version have been proposed as well. In October 2008 it was rumored that PLAAF might acquire some FC-1s (dubbed J-9?) as a low-cost light fighter/attack aircraft to replace its obsolete J-7s and Q-5s but this has not been confirmed. FC-1 passed bomb and fuel tank integration/release tests in March 2009. The aircraft also passed design appraisal in December 2009. It was reported that Egypt was negotiating with Pakistan in order to locally assemble 48 FC-1s. The first taxi test of FC-1 powered by an indigenous WS-13 took place on March 18, 2010. The latest rumor (March 2011) suggested that an improved version with a stealth optimized forward fuselage is being developed.
- Last Updated 4/9/11

 

[SQ8]

Can you please elaborate it ?

Simple.. a bubble is not aerodynamically as efficient.. as the cockpit inline with the fuselage...
a test is to take your hand out of your car at high speed with the fingers facing into the wind..
then curl your middle finger up a little...
you'll see for yourself.
Also
The weight of the plexiglass for a conformal cockpit.. vs the bubble cockpit.. any eye can judge that.

 

[Dazzler]

Of course, it should be better than our mirages and F-7s. But if it lags Bl 52 that means it lacks every equivalent to Bl52 i.e. later versions of grippen etc

It does not lag behind blk 52 DAS bro, its just that it is still being measured and improved. Indigenous solutions are also on their way which will make it more effective than blk 52s. Coming batch will have this version and current batch will be upgraded with it. Remember, JFT is constantly being improved in both Pakistan as well as China, technologies are tested on 04, 06 in China and serial ACs in PAC.

 

[Pak123]

what has the PAF done with those JF-17's that were coloured in Pakistan and Chinese flags ? Are they also inducted in the current squadrons or will they be remain as static or display aircraft's ?

can someone answer to my question ?

 

[Manticore]

^^the ones that can fly , are being flown.. that include even the prototypes [04 onwards] .... earliest prototypes/ replicas are for display purposes only

 

[Dazzler]

can someone answer to my question ?

They are a part of first squadron, reporting for duty

 

[Bratva]

It does not lag behind blk 52 DAS bro, its just that it is still being measured and improved. Indigenous solutions are also on their way which will make it more effective than blk 52s. Coming batch will have this version and current batch will be upgraded with it. Remember, JFT is constantly being improved in both Pakistan as well as China, technologies are tested on 04, 06 in China and serial ACs in PAC.

Any chance of seeing Joint Helmet Mounted Sight on JF-17 block 2?

 

[khurasaan1]

It does not lag behind blk 52 DAS bro, its just that it is still being measured and improved. Indigenous solutions are also on their way which will make it more effective than blk 52s. Coming batch will have this version and current batch will be upgraded with it. Remember, JFT is constantly being improved in both Pakistan as well as China, technologies are tested on 04, 06 in China and serial ACs in PAC.

thats what Is good newz for me ...Masha-Allah...

 

[nightcrawler]

But what about situational awareness; we don't have any & in the coming future we will not have anything like that what they call them yes DAS technology like in F-35...

Ok thnx for clearing things up..

 

[Tehmasib]

Stealthy Version of JF-17 Thunder on Cards
It is reported by the Chinese sources that Pakistan and China are indeed developing a stealthy version of JF-17 Thunder fighter jet which will have a redesigned frontal fuselage to reduce of the aircraft’s Radar cross section (RCS). An aircraft with larger Radar cross section will be detected by the enemy fighter jet’s radar at longer ranges and thus will be at disadvantage.

In July last year Pakistan signed a MOU with the Chinese side to design and develop a stealthy version of JF-17 Thunder fighter jet. JF-17 Thunder is now jointly produced at manufacturing facilities of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and Chengdu Aerospace Company (CAC).

Pakistan Air Force has hinted several times to purchase of around 250 JF-17 Thunder fighter jets. It is rumored that stealthy version of JF-17 Thunder will enter into production after 100 to 150 baseline JF-17 Thunder have joined the Pakistan Air Force.

JF-17 Thunder is powered by the Russian RD-93 power plants. It is also reported in Chinese media that first taxi test of JF-17 Thunder powered by a Chinese developed WS-13 engine took place on March 18, 2010