JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Argus Panoptes]

A couple of theories were doing the rounds about that crash.

One was that the JFT was going at very high speed and it disintegrated at low altitude, but disintegration doesn't really give you a concentrated area of impact, the silhouette was still distinguishable at the crash site.

Bird strike was another cause discussed and it seems plausible. Maybe the pilot glided his plane into that area after the bird strike.

BUt I agree with the general opinion that something is proving to be a hitch nowadays with the JFT program...money, diplomacy or something. All we can do is wait and watch!

I think the correct description may turn out to be this: PAF bit off more than it could chew.

 

[fatman17]

So bird strike crashes too become confidential in PAF that they can't disclose it to general public

PAF has never disclosed their accidents reports to the public so why the speculation on JFT now?. resources is a huge issue and the chinese wont keep lending us money until we pay back the loans already received for the F-22P's, ZDK03's, the money crunch is so severe, that PK is paying back loans in kind (rice, raw cotton etc).

 

[Jango]

I think the correct description may turn out to be this: PAF bit off more than it could chew.

Any reasons to support your statement?

Yet F-22 crash reports are released to public. Irony

PAF and USAF operate on completely different doctrines. The whole mindset is different.

In the end, it's all about the cash...money talks.

 

[fatman17]

no need to get emotional and realise that a serious problem is delaying military procurement plans.

 

[fatman17]

Defence issues in the context of Pakistan's economy
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Inflation

Inflation and related currency depreciation have directly affected Pakistan’s ability to invest in military modernisation. Global
Insight noted in 2012 that inflation has continued to hover around double digits, keeping the macro-economic risks high and therefore undermining Pakistan’s growth potential.

However, inflation is forecast by Global Insight to decline from 2013 if the government implements planned reforms, particularly those related to tax collection.

While the depreciation of the Pakistan rupee during the period of economic constraint has been severe (declining 35 per cent
against the US dollar between October 2007 and October 2012), it is expected to ease from 2013 along with inflation. As in neighbouring India, which has faced similar problems, currency depreciation has weakened Pakistan’s buying power in international markets, making its reliance on US-sourced funding more acute.

There has been some success in attracting defence investment from China – Pakistan’s closest defence partner – although this has not typically been through FDI but through the development of facilities and other indirect routes. The lack of FDI from Beijing has prompted Islamabad on several occasions to offer additional economic incentives to China in the hope of securing investment.

industrial and technological skills are of a low standard and high-tech sectors, such as defence, face challenges in recruiting skilled workers.

Delays
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Given Pakistan’s economic problems and the occasional requirement to divert military expenditure into other areas (such as disaster relief) it is not surprising that some of the country’s planned defence purchases are unfulfilled. Two programmes that have been cancelled and downsized respectively include Pakistan’s planned purchase of Type 214 submarines from HDW and 18 F-16C/D fighters from Lockheed Martin.

The Type 214 was shortlisted by the MoD but the purchase was dropped in 2009-2010 because it was deemed unaffordable. This was at about the same time that Pakistan was suffering from
flooding. Pakistan has since registered interest in acquiring submarines from China.

The planned procurement of 36 F-16s was reduced to 18 aircraft in 2008 in direct response to budgetary pressures and high international oil prices.

we can add the JFT program to this list.

Barter
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The counter-trade or barter of non-defence items in exchange for materiel is promoted by Pakistan as evidence of the country’s flexible approach to defence procurement or export.

As with other Asian countries – such as Indonesia and Thailand – Pakistan’s counter-trade policy is invariably conducted with other developing countries and typically features the trade of relatively low-value commodities (usually agricultural produce). Therefore, Pakistan’s counter-trade system is likely to have been used – at least in part – in purchases of military equipment from China.

JDW

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Any reasons to support your statement?..........

Yes, I have my reasons for saying that, but why roil the fanbois unnecessarily?

 

[Donatello]

You want more aircraft and weapons? Don't vote for PPP rats next time.

 

[Jango]

Yes, I have my reasons for saying that, but why roil the fanbois unnecessarily?

They won't mind...

 

[Argus Panoptes]

They won't mind...

What's the rush? The truth will come out eventually.

 

[Jango]

What's the rush? The truth will come out eventually.

Yeah well, it always comes out...

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Yeah well, it always comes out...

Truth does come out, but delaying its exposure allows for wrong decisions and huge waste of money to go undetected without accountability.

 

[Bratva]

Yes, I have my reasons for saying that, but why roil the fanbois unnecessarily?

What's the rush? The truth will come out eventually.

Why you do that? First raise the curiosity of an audience and than do nakhras to tell properly what you meant ?

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Why you do that? First raise the curiosity of an audience and than do nakhras to tell properly what you meant ?

I meant that JF-17 is such a wonderful airplane that I request you to enjoy this great wallpaper:


JF_17_Thunder_17663 by ArgusPanoptes007, on Flickr

Aren't you impressed by how devastating it looks? I certainly am.

 

[Bratva]

I meant that JF-17 is such a wonderful airplane that I request you to enjoy this great wallpaper:


JF_17_Thunder_17663 by ArgusPanoptes007, on Flickr

Aren't you impressed by how devastating it looks? I certainly am.

As you say so Cheng Sahab.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

As you say so Cheng Sahab.

Shaabaash Bhaijan, well done to deflect the thread.

The JF-17 is a great step up for PAF, but it require long legs to step over the height that it has chosen for itself.