JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Stealth_fighter]

SOME MORE UPDATES FROM SIR PSHAMIM

An excellent display by Thunders showing off their performance and capabilities. Looks like that JF-17 display is restrained owing to the fact that it is the first foreign air display by Thunder. We should see more of its capability in in futore shows.

Now a little tidbits.

The next 50 ordered may be the BLK-2 with SD-10B as its primary weapon mounted on outer wing pylon. Sd-10B is said to have more range, smaller volume and lesser weight and is more comparable to the AIM-120C5

The BLK-2 is also said to get the IRST and an Aesa Radar. The strangest news is that it may have a rotating disc. The usual perception is that AESA has a fixed dish. Why and what performance the rotating dish will add, I do not know. May be some one else can do the research and report.

 

[Kompromat]

from where ?

Air Force Monthly

 

[Kompromat]

FC-1 with WS-13 (Taishan) engine?

its likely as i reported last year it was being flight tested.

 

[Manticore]

sir pshamim

An excellent display by Thunders showing off their performance and capabilities. Looks like that JF-17 display is restrained owing to the fact that it is the first foreign air display by Thunder. We should see more of its capability in in futore shows.

Now a little tidbits.

The next 50 ordered may be the BLK-2 with SD-10B as its primary weapon mounted on outer wing pylon. Sd-10B is said to have more range, smaller volume and lesser weight and is more comparable to the AIM-120C5

The BLK-2 is also said to get the IRST and an Aesa Radar. The strangest news is that it may have a rotating disc. The usual perception is that AESA has a fixed dish. Why and what performance the rotating dish will add, I do not know. May be some one else can do the research and report.

Chinese have succeeded in developing avionics with DRFM and it is expected to be part of JF-17. This should immencely help Thunder in defending against WVR and BVR attack. In case of a missile attack, HUD will easily identify the missile chasing the aircraft.

It looks more likely that Blk-2 may not have any Italian avionics as was under consideration. DRFM and deplyment of SD-10B points to an all Chinese avionics which are far more superior than the ones in the ealy Thunders.

Regarding the intense debate about various maneuvers to shake the incoming missile, WVR missiles are not radar guided but IR guided and can easily be handled bu use of Chaf.

The medium , long range or BVRAAM missiles are either radar beam riders or use pulse doppler. Beam riders radar lock can be distrupted by use of Chaf and quick maneuvers. The Pulse Doppler radar guided missiles cannot be defended against easily and need ECM or various maneuvers. One of the most succesful tactic is to maneuver the aircraft in a perpendicular position against the missile trajectory. Radar will lock a target if its is either coming or flying away but tyhe lock will break once the target flies in a perpendicular direction crssing the missile trajectory.

Few friends above have inquired about additional hard points. I do not know when the infoprmation is available.

Hope I am somewhat helpful.

 

[TaimiKhan]

SOME MORE UPDATES FROM SIR PSHAMIM

sir pshamim

It seems, PAF is going with the SELEX Galileo's Raven ES-05 AESA radar concept, which has a revolving dish antenna.

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SOME MORE UPDATES FROM SIR PSHAMIM

sir pshamim

It seems, PAF is going with the SELEX Galileo's Raven ES-05 AESA radar concept, which has a revolving dish antenna.

 

[salvage]

i have a question....why is the radar always fitted in the nose?Cant we fit two small radars in fuel tank type bodies attached to wings for a wider 360 degree coverage and fit 8 to 10 air to air missiles in the nose?

 

[SQ8]

i have a question....why is the radar always fitted in the nose?Cant we fit two small radars in fuel tank type bodies attached to wings for a wider 360 degree coverage and fit 8 to 10 air to air missiles in the nose?

1. Those pods will represent an extra aerodynamic and weight load.. therby reducing the performance of the aircraft.

2. The only air to air missiles small enough to fit in the nose would be those with ranges less than 2km.. the sort used on helicopters ..
USEless against a modern day fighter with large missiles having ranges of 60km+.

 

[alimobin memon]

I heard a new engine variant of rd93 has 98kn thrust with after burner and more then 40 without after-burn so if it is offered to PAF will it give a super cruise capability because it requires at least 52 kn of thrust and also a better payload ?
and will rotating antenna if installed what is its benefit ..... a better coverage?

 

[Pfpilot]

Well if your radar isnt in the nose than you have no frontal coverage, and as the pilot flying the plane, you are essentially blind. A fuel tank would not be large enough for a radar providing significant range. Its easy to just compare the size of the nose of the aircraft with the average fuel tank. One would lose all maneuverability with massive fuel tanks housing radars and also the problem of how you plan to fit missiles in the nose. Missiles are kind of long and if they were in the nose, there would be no space for pilot or the front landing gear.
As Gambit said in a different threat, the jf-17 design, built around its singular engine, doesnt leave much space for internal missiles as it is, be it nose tail or body.

 

[MastanKhan]

i have a question....why is the radar always fitted in the nose?Cant we fit two small radars in fuel tank type bodies attached to wings for a wider 360 degree coverage and fit 8 to 10 air to air missiles in the nose?

Hi,

When a missile is launched----it drops from the air craft and its 'behind' is set on fire so it takes off---well if it is in the nose----at launch---the fire in the ar-se---will burn the aircraft down---.

The aircraft that you are talking about---we call it an AWAC-----with the radar on the top possible jammers on the wings if need be and also missiles on the wings

 

[Bratva]

A key-element of the Vixen 1000E/ES05 Raven AESA, which distinguishes it from most other European- and US-developed AESA systems, is its electrically driven swashplate. This allows it to cover a total scan angle of ±100 degrees compared to 60-70 degrees for most current systems, allowing the aircraft to perform a large turn away from the target after launching a missile while maintaining missile support.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...aesa-technology-demonstrator-uk-typhoons.html

Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars are flat plates that can scan up to sixty degrees in any direction from directly ahead of them. By mounting an AESA radar on a swashplate, the swashplate angle is added to the electronic scan angle. The typical swashplate angle chosen for this application is 40 degrees so the radar can scan a total angle of 100 degrees out of 360

Swashplate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SQ8]

There were aircraft that had rockets in the nose.. which was the German Ba 346 natter..
however.. not only were there NO sensitive avionics or instruments behind the nose.. more often than not.. the instrument panel burned up in test launches due to the rockets exhaust.

 

[monitor]

something like this type ?

 

[Tempest II]

There are there - there is a Kopyo "radar in a pod" - just like you targeting pod, it can be mounted on a pylon. Here: http://articles..com/articles/-Rada...5-multifunction-radar-Russian-Federation.html

 

[Dazzler]

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