JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 3]

[Dazzler]

A similar antenna underneath the Cheetah C aircraft of SAF

 

[Dazzler]

This is the clearest pic of the lot of the antenna, however all the Cheetas had just one antenna instead of two in jf-17.

 

[nightrider_saulat]

Yups, much better. JF-17s whole cockpit configuration and ease of usage is better then the current F-16 A/B Block 15s.

i have also heard from our former member munir that thunder's cockpit
is very much similar to f-16 block 52 in looks wise
is it true sir!

 

[Dazzler]

@Saulat

Let me try to answer bro. The standard block 50/52+ cockpit still has two lcd mfds so the ease of operation will still favor the jf-17 by much reduced pilot work load but if we have gone with the Block 60 type ergonomics (full glass cockpit with no manual gadgets ) then they should be on par with each other.

 

[qsaark]

Zoom in this image and you will see what appears to be a South African flag like mark.

On the antenna, this is not South Africa's flag; below is"

 

[Dazzler]

Qsaark

Bro, i said it looks similar, not the exact thing

 

[sancho]

Some radar specs for different fighter aircraft from around the world. The range of RP-35 (technology shared in the KLJ-7 and 10) has a staggering range of 300 kms!! The Elta is a smaller but compact radar unit and has less range but good functinality. The reason for giving these specs is the relation of both elta and RP-35 with the jf-17 radar as admitted by both Chinese and Russians not too long ago.

EL/M-2032 47 km 100 km

Not sure how this source came to those ranges, but they are pretty doubtful!
As you can see in the following Elta brochure, the A2A detection range is 80nm = 148,16 Km and the detection range for Sea targets is 160nm = 296,32 Km.

http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/FILES/6/27546.pdf


The KJ 7 instead, has A2A detection range of 105Km

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_44d3OT-xI...Azw/6KlQvpDYNfY/s1600/JF-17+Thunder's+MMR.JPG

If you keep in mind that IAF rejected the APG-68 V9 radar for their F16 Sufas first, in favour of the Elta 2032, it should be clear that they were at least comparable to the US radar, if not superior. That alone should show that 47/100Km range like your source say can't be correct.
Btw, the 300 Km that you mentioned might most likely be detection of Sea targets, do you have any source for that? Also, is any offical brochure, or source for KJ 10 available?

 

[Dazzler]

Not sure how this source came to those ranges, but they are pretty doubtful!
As you can see in the following Elta brochure, the A2A detection range is 80nm = 148,16 Km and the detection range for Sea targets is 160nm = 296,32 Km.

http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/FILES/6/27546.pdf


The KJ 7 instead, has A2A detection range of 105Km

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_44d3OT-xI...lQvpDYNfY/s1600/JF-17%2BThunder's+MMR.JPG

If you keep in mind that IAF rejected the APG-68 V9 radar for their F16 Sufas first, in favour of the Elta 2032, it should be clear that they were at least comparable to the US radar, if not superior. That alone should show that 47/100Km range like your source say can't be correct.
Btw, the 300 Km that you mentioned might most likely be detection of Sea targets, do you have any source for that? Also, is any offical brochure, or source for KJ 10 available?

The Apg 68 v9 was rejected by the Israelis on the basis of relatively poor SAR capability as compared to Elta 2032 that had a better one in more than one modes as explained in the brochure. All the remaining functions including processing, ranges and modes of operation have been dramatically increased and cannot be compared with Elta 2032. Russian RP-35 was designed for Mig 35 and could even be used on SU-27. Remember we were hearing news when China imported this radar, Russians thought they might use it in j-10 but instead, they used the technology to make their own version to be used on new aircraft.

http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/apg68/assets/APG68.pdf

 

[Dazzler]

Interestingly, this image show even less tracking range for 2032 and 2035 radars. It is difficult to find what the actual ranges are.

 

[Tempest II]

Please note the 25Nm figure is quoted as "typical", which I would say is more like for a fighter sized target, maybe 3 sqm. The 80NM says "up to" which will be maximum, like for a B-52 bomber.

Also note that the brochure on the link posted by Sancho has a range of weights and power requirements. For the weights it says "depending on antenna size", and even says "(such as F-16, F-5, Mirage, F-4, Mig 21, etc.)". This says the data in that brochure is general, it is for the family. The images posted by nabil_05 suggest a very particular version as the power and weight are specific - maybe a version meant/proposed/marketed for the Mig-21 upgrade.

 

[mean_bird]

More JF-17s coming ---and on a RUSSIAN plane.

 

[ice_man]

mean_ bird can't see your images

 

[sancho]

The Apg 68 v9 was rejected by the Israelis on the basis of relatively poor SAR capability as compared to Elta 2032 that had a better one in more than one modes as explained in the brochure. All the remaining functions including processing, ranges and modes of operation have been dramatically increased and cannot be compared with Elta 2032.

I have some doubts about that, because in this kind of threat environment they are living in, it would be strange if IAF wanted an overall inferior radar right? Also you can see the same case now, with Israel wanting indigenous radar and avionics on the F35. That will be their 5. gen frontline fighter and they wouldn't ask for such changes, if they don't have at least something with comparable performance.

Please note the 25Nm figure is quoted as "typical", which I would say is more like for a fighter sized target, maybe 3 sqm. The 80NM says "up to" which will be maximum, like for a B-52 bomber.

Also note that the brochure on the link posted by Sancho has a range of weights and power requirements. For the weights it says "depending on antenna size", and even says "(such as F-16, F-5, Mirage, F-4, Mig 21, etc.)". This says the data in that brochure is general, it is for the family. The images posted by nabil_05 suggest a very particular version as the power and weight are specific - maybe a version meant/proposed/marketed for the Mig-21 upgrade.

Exactly, the given specs by Elta are most likely for F16 with a bigger nose diameter and the max detection range for A2A threats.
25nm are 46,3 Km, I agree that this suits more to Mig 21s.

 

[nightrider_saulat]

are they coming all the way to islamabad

 

[xuxu1457]