JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 3]

[air marshal]

 

[razgriz19]

rite now paf is using griffo s-7 radar on jf, rite?

 

[TaimiKhan]

rite now paf is using griffo s-7 radar on jf, rite?

Nops, its a Chinese one.

 

[nightrider_saulat]

is it KLJ-7 or KLJ-10 taimi?

 

[TaimiKhan]

is it KLJ-7 or KLJ-10 taimi?

Even if it is KLJ-7, its capabilities are more then the originally specified.

JF-17s nose got bigger after the evolution stage, thus a bigger antenna can be accommodated, which may lead to better performance.

Few pages back do read one excellent post by Gambit regarding the size of the antenna or nose of the aircraft and the radar capabilities over all.

 

[nightrider_saulat]

Even if it is KLJ-7, its capabilities are more then the originally specified.

JF-17s nose got bigger after the evolution stage, thus a bigger antenna can be accommodated, which may lead to better performance.

Few pages back do read one excellent post by Gambit regarding the size of the antenna or nose of the aircraft and the radar capabilities over all.

can we consider these radars better then our current radars which are fitted in F-16A/B block15

 

[TaimiKhan]

can we consider these radars better then our current radars which are fitted in F-16A/B block15

Yups, much better. JF-17s whole cockpit configuration and ease of usage is better then the current F-16 A/B Block 15s.

 

[Dazzler]

The only difference between KLJ-7 and KLJ-10 is the size of antenna as jf-17's nose is slightly smaller than that of the J-10 (664mm against 700+mm). They both have 28 working modes which is more than the Grifo-S (25) but less than the RDY3/RC-400 (both have 30) modes in air-air, air-surface etc. KLJ-7 is a much better radar in terms of range, anti jamming, high working speed due to parallel digital signal processing (four processors instead of original two in Grifo-S). We must remember that the KLJ series has benefited its share of technology from some very high quality radars which include Israel's ELTA 2032 and Russian RP-35, combined with Chinese expertise in electronics, circuit boards. The end product defeated the Grifo-S in terms of reliability, multiple target engagement and is cost efficient as compared to others in its sphere. One more thing I must add here that 2 simultaneous engagements are for SARH missiles, for ARH missile, the actual number is undisclosed !

 

[Dazzler]

The appreciation for jf-17 as we don't hear it too often.

 

[Dazzler]

Some radar specs for different fighter aircraft from around the world. The range of RP-35 (technology shared in the KLJ-7 and 10) has a staggering range of 300 kms!! The Elta is a smaller but compact radar unit and has less range but good functinality. The reason for giving these specs is the relation of both elta and RP-35 with the jf-17 radar as admitted by both Chinese and Russians not too long ago.

EL/M-2032 47 km 100 km

Eurofighter Captor (ex-ECR-90) ~175 km 370 km

JA.37 Viggen PS-46/A 75 km max

JAS.39 PS-05A 90 km 190 km

F-4 AWG-10 38 km 80 km

F-14A/B AWG-9 210 km 330 km

F-14D APG-71 ~175 km 370 km

F-15 APG-63/70 110-160 km 240 km

F-15 APG-63(v)2 195 km 410 km

F-16 APG-66 ~55 km ~105 km

F-16 APG-66(v)2/3 70 km 130 km

F-16 APG-68 80 km 140 km

F-16 ABR 130 km 275 km

F-18 APG-65 ~72 km ~ 150 km
TWS of 10 targets at 74 km. HUD acquistion auto lock at ~9 km.

F-18 APG-73 (APG-65 x 1.2) 85 km ~180 km

F-20 APG-67 90 km ~130 km max

F-22 APG-77 230 km 490 km

MiG-21 RP-21 Spin Scan 9.5 km 20 km max

MiG-21 RP-22 Saphir-21 14 km 30 km max

MiG-23 High Lark 33 km 70 km

MiG-23ML Sapfir-23ML 40 km 85 km

MiG-25 RP-25 Smerch-A 47 km 100km

MiG-25 Sapfir-25 66 km 140 km

MiG-29 NO-19 Slot Back 70-100 km 100-150 km
Tracks 10 targets, guides against 1.

MiG-29 NO-10 88 km 186 km

MiG-29 SMT-II NO-19ME Topaz 130 km 275 km

MiG-31 Zaslon 110 km 240 km
Tracks 10 guides 4

MiG-35 RP-35 140 km 300 km

Mirage F.1 Cyrano IV 45 km 96 km max

Mirage 2000C-S1 to –S3 RDM 85 km 110 km

Mirage 2000C-S4/5 RDI 110 km 190 km

Mirage 2000-5 RDY 130-140 km 275 km

Rafale RBE vs 130 km 275 km

Sea Harrier FRS.1 Blue Fox 37 km 95 km

Sea Harrier FA.2 Blue Vixen 110+ km 150 km max

Su-27 110 km 240 km max

Su-35 planned to be: 190 km 400 km

Tornado F.3 AI24 Foxhunter 100 km 210 km
w. Stage 2G radar (1991) 185 km large fighter 260 km
Track 40 targets. Originally no close range modes.

Link here,

Situation Awareness

 

[Dazzler]

JF-17 Missile Approach Warning System SE-2

The SE-2 airborne missile approach warning system was designed to protect the low-speed. low-flying helicopters against various short-range ground-to-air and air-to-air missiles. It detects infrared signature of the incoming missile, alerts the pilot, and triggers the chaff/flare dispenser to counter the enemy threat.

SE-2 Airborne Missile Approach Warning System - SinoDefence.com

 

[Dazzler]

The communication antennae on jf-17 are South African instead of Turkish as per my info. I am searching the news link

 

[razgriz19]

will there be any twin seater jf-17...?
cause it doesn't seem like they gonna make one!

 

[Dazzler]

They do have plans for it but as of now they are focusing on other developments in hand. Also, the thunder is such an easy aircraft to fly and control that as per an insider, "it is a privilege to fly it" !

 

[Dazzler]

Zoom in this image and you will see what appears to be a South African flag like mark.