JF-17 Thunder - Information Pool

[salman-1]

Ground clearance is the main problem that cannot be solved unless a shorter dia missile is developed, the wings if strengthened I think only one Raad would be carried and a less counter weight on the other wing. Full load might create flight problems.

Has any body seen a lgb on weapons display for JF or a laser targeting pod for it. Any air refuelling pod installed, PAF never goes for a shiny show, just drop bombs, old style cluster and durandal, no high tech weaponry

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

Just went through SIPRI's data, which tells me that Pakistan has acquired up to 75 WMD-7 targeting pods since 2009 with plans of up to 150, which coincides with the initial numbers of Thunders we are ordering.
Previously, I used to think that PAF has chosen Aselpod hence the second order.

The question remains, does these two products provide us with different capabilities or we are just overlapping things to keep options open, if needed?

 

[Jinn Baba]

What's the point of raad if the JF17 (or probably the f16) cannot carry it? Are we likely to see a new version for these planes? Otherwise this CM would be useless for PAF once the Mirage are retired.

 

[The Deterrent]

Raad wont go on the Thunder- too big for any station. This is a co developed stand off system which is around 60-65km from 20k feet.

No Sir, Ra'ad is in final stages of integration with JF-17. It is unclear which one will it be exactly, but we might see a first flight soon.

 

[Bratva]

Just went through SIPRI's data, which tells me that Pakistan has acquired up to 75 WMD-7 targeting pods since 2009 with plans of up to 150, which coincides with the initial numbers of Thunders we are ordering.
Previously, I used to think that PAF has chosen Aselpod hence the second order.

The question remains, does these two products provide us with different capabilities or we are just overlapping things to keep options open, if needed?

SIPRI Data is wrong, Pakistan does not have a single WMD-7 POD in its inventory. Even Chinese are not using WMD-7 Pods

 

[MastanKhan]

What's the point of raad if the JF17 (or probably the f16) cannot carry it? Are we likely to see a new version for these planes? Otherwise this CM would be useless for PAF once the Mirage are retired.

Hi,

That is why i have been saying---the JF17 is a great aircraft on its own merit---but it is a fckd up aircraft for its true UTILITY.

The problem with this aircraft is---it is 2 sizes too small---and for that reason---it has many a limitations.---but it is a great nifty little monster.

 

[SQ8]

No Sir, Ra'ad is in final stages of integration with JF-17. It is unclear which one will it be exactly, but we might see a first flight soon.

It would be a surpirse
Must have taken some changes to Raad itself.

 

[BRAVO_]

RAAD could be integrated under wings stations

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

It would be a surpirse
Must have taken some changes to Raad itself.

I'm not sure about Ra'ad, but I do suspect an MTCR-compliant ALCM (possibly via partnership with Turkey or South Africa) is on the way. PAC has begun (or will begin) marketing ALCM compatibility with the JF-17, so it's unlikely that ALCM options would be restricted to Ra'ad (350/550 km), wouldn't even be allowed in fact.

 

[Bratva]

https://www.stripes.com/news/investigation-weight-imbalance-a-factor-in-libya-f-15-crash-1.163490

Investigation: Weight imbalance a factor in Libya F-15 crash

 

[Jinn Baba]

Hi,

That is why i have been saying---the JF17 is a great aircraft on its own merit---but it is a fckd up aircraft for its true UTILITY.

The problem with this aircraft is---it is 2 sizes too small---and for that reason---it has many a limitations.---but it is a great nifty little monster.

Hence we need a larger strike aircraft with greater payload and range. Something that is not the F16.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hence we need a larger strike aircraft with greater payload and range. Something that is not the F16.

Hi,

When the F16 was designed---it was not designed to carry ALCM's---because ALCM's were launched thru the B52's---.

When the JF17 was designed---the ALCM's for strike aircraft / a dedicated IRST was a very serious consideration for a futuristic options---. These were the foundations that a new multi role strike aircraft was built on.

Paf failed on both those fronts---.

The JF17 was designed & produced in a RUSH---so, many a tactical items were deleted---not considered or not THOUGHT of.

The Paf generals thought that they would have this machine running full throttle in a very short time---.

The problems occured when the chinese engine was not ready---French refused the EW package---integration headaches---.

Paf found out that it had taken a really really big bite on a major engineering project and realized that it was having a very difficult time swallowing that big of a bite---.

So---yes---we desperately need a larger strike aircraft.

 

[messiach]

This is relevant but with CoG placed behind the midpoint creating a statically unstable profile, FC1 is born unstable, governed by FCS. Sometimes v extreme lateral arms can create dangerous roll tendency.

Madam, what about lateral moment around the length of the aircraft? With a 2000 lbs hanging on one side and the aircraft horizontal, dropping 2000 lbs on the other side will create a lateral moment around the length of the aircraft. Toss bombing will make it easier because a large part of the weight vector will no longer create a perpendicular downward force on the wing.

 

[Dazzler]

KAMRA: JF-17 production capacity of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) reaches 25 aircraft per annum. The Pakistan Air Force currently operates 101 JF-17s, with 149 more on order.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Raad is neither bigger nor heavier than the 1100 litre fuel tanks that Thunder carries under its wings

I'm not sure about Ra'ad, but I do suspect an MTCR-compliant ALCM (possibly via partnership with Turkey or South Africa) is on the way. PAC has begun (or will begin) marketing ALCM compatibility with the JF-17, so it's unlikely that ALCM options would be restricted to Ra'ad (350/550 km), wouldn't even be allowed in fact.