JF-17 Thunder - Information Pool

[Manticore]

 

[Qasibr]

(1:18 and onwards)

The Pakistani Defence Minister reported he was informed(on a recent visit to China) that Chinese Premier Hu Jintao was very profoundly moved, to tears of joy and pride, on seeing JF17 Thunders flying escort for his VIP aircraft on his way to visit Islamabad. The Pakistani media had also reported back then, that this was the first time JF17s ever provided escort to a visiting head-of-state. This was done out of respect and honor for the Chinese Premier.

Being Premier, he would have seen first-hand how immense problems were piled in this project's way from the beginning. It started off as the Sabre-II, and western sanctions almost killed it. Then, when we were unable to find an avionics suite from western sources after severe embargoes on Pakistan, after our nuclear tests in reaction to Indian testing in 1998. Then, the Indians tried their best and Russia was not to provide RD-93 engines, and this bird was grounded without a powerplant to power it. Putin overruled the Russian government's decision and the engines were available. Even a while back, France backtracked out of the avionics deal. I imagine that being Premier, the mindblowingly daunting hurdle after hurdle this project went through, would not be a hidden secret for him.

What a wonderful friend of Pakistan he is, that the sight of JF17s outside his aircraft window moved him so profoundly. The JF17 is indeed a beautiful bird, and a tremendous achievement for China and Pakistan.

 

[Tempest II]

Based on his numbers on this videos he says "$80m-$90m" and JF-17 costing 1/3 =$26.7m with rounds up to $27m per plane

Cost per hour he say 45,000Euros for other fighters = $60,000 based on today's rate. JF-17 costs $20,000/hr to operate.

 

[Dazzler]

cockpit layout explained.......


http://i.imgur.com/XLivt.jpg

 

[Manticore]

check out the first page of this thread-- ive done quite a lot of editing in it ;-)

some lines here some there, some pics here ,some there etc-- a better layout-- however still working on it

 

[Manticore]

unicorn

krash

Tempest II

Just for you Sir!

I typed in the "1,000km for the A2G configuration because that is what he said in his speach.

thanks for the pics!

 

[Manticore]

Here you go ANTIBODY.

Adding all these to what Tempest uploaded will give you the complete set.

 

[alimobin memon]

This says that jf17 has greater than 4000 kg of payload in four stations / 1000 in centre three stations.

 

[Tempest II]

This says that jf17 has greater than 4000 kg of payload in four stations / 1000 in centre three stations.

Yes, it s an interesting one. I have looked and thought about it. I even wrote about it and decided not to post.
Maximum take-off weight = 12,700kg
Empty Weight = 6,400kg
Fuel = 2.300kg
There 12,700 – 6,400 – 2,300 = 4,000kg for external stores.
Now, why do they say >4,000kg? My thinking is, if you are going to strike only 500km away, you can choose to put 500kg less internal fuel and carry more bombs. You play with your fuel fraction.
Also, since this is take-off weight, and we are expecting IRF, the plane can load a lot less fuel, take a lot of bombs and take off and then to-up-fuel after take off. I understand that a plane can “fly” with more tonnage than it can “take-off” with. … …??? … … I need collaboration on this, so please comment/correct me.

 

[Manticore]

 

[TaimiKhan]

This says that jf17 has greater than 4000 kg of payload in four stations / 1000 in centre three stations.

Nops, it means 4000KG is the maximum weapon / load carrying capacity of the JF-17 on all 7 pylons, while 3 of the pylons / stations can carry or are able to carry load of 1000KG each. The center pylon under the fuselage, and the pylons on each wings just near to where LERX starts or the ones which can carry 1100L (somewhere close to or inbetween 900-950KG or so) drop tank. But the picture above showing the weapon load bearing capability just shows 1000KG bomb under the fuselage only. But, if it can take a 1100L fuel tank, it can take a 1000KG payload also.

Yes, it s an interesting one. I have looked and thought about it. I even wrote about it and decided not to post.
Maximum take-off weight = 12,700kg
Empty Weight = 6,400kg
Fuel = 2.300kg
There 12,700 – 6,400 – 2,300 = 4,000kg for external stores.
Now, why do they say >4,000kg? My thinking is, if you are going to strike only 500km away, you can choose to put 500kg less internal fuel and carry more bombs. You play with your fuel fraction.
Also, since this is take-off weight, and we are expecting IRF, the plane can load a lot less fuel, take a lot of bombs and take off and then to-up-fuel after take off. I understand that a plane can “fly” with more tonnage than it can “take-off” with. … …??? … … I need collaboration on this, so please comment/correct me.

Well, i hope the above explanation was sufficient to remove the ambiguity about the total payload and each pylon load capacity. And yeah you are right in having different configurations as per requirement. When IRP is installed, then the jets can even carry less fuel and more payload and once it gets into the air it can get refueled and heads for its mission.

But issue here to be seen is, can the pylons support that heavier load or not. Can pylon number 2 & 6 take more then 500KG of payload, is it strong enough to take something like 700Kg or 750KG, can the pylon # 1 & 7 able as of now to carry the 200KG SD-10s or not. Thus payload is not an issue by reducing the internal fuel, but strength of the pylon is also to be considered.

 

[Manticore]

Number of copies Egyptians are interested in is 92. Discussions are continuing between Pakistan, Egypt, and China.

sir pshamim

 

[Manticore]

two different type of missiles

 

[SBD-3]

two different type of missiles

What i can guess is that Blue may be the dummy missile, both look same in design though...

 

[Manticore]