JF-17 Thunder Block-II - A Beast in making.

[amriRDX]

I have certain doubts about JF-17 block II. I read on a facebook page with a source I forgot that blk II will incorporate CFTs and and multiple ejector racks. Is that true? someone please clarify. Thanx in advance. (Y)

 

[Kompromat]

Can Pakistan modify the JF-17 into a 'stealth' fighter to give its pilot that 30-sec radar advantage ? That is not a million dollars question but more like a few bils.

The question here is not if Pakistan 'can' but if it 'should'. As you know we designed the JF-17s program for PAF for ONE specific purpose. To find a mid tier replacement for all Mirages, Fantans and Skybolts. Price is the first consideration and with a limited budget Pakistan has to acquire them in numbers to provide credible deterrence and on schedule replacement of older frames. As far 'stealth' is concerned, i guesstimate that PAF will seek a stealth aircraft to replace the F-16s but not till a good 10 years. As for the stealthification of JF-17, i think its not feasible. If JF-17 in a clean formation is close to the F-16, maybe it would make much sense to design an enclosed weapons pod like the enhances super hornet. If a JF-17 with no tanks, no other weapons but 2X BVRs in an enclosed weapons pod cuts it, i guess it would be a worthwhile investment.

I have certain doubts about JF-17 block II. I read on a facebook page with a source I forgot that blk II will incorporate CFTs

No CFTs.

and and multiple ejector racks. Is that true? someone please clarify.

Affirmative.

Thanx in advance. (Y)

Welcome

 

[halfilhal]

A RARE & BEAUTIFUL PIC OF THUNDER(Courtesy: Alan Warnes, AirForces Daily)

Resplendent in Pakistan’s national colour is JF-17 is 09-111 flown by the ‘Black Spiders’ at Peshawar. The JF-17 will play a big part in the PAF’s future strategy. AFD-Alan WarnesResplendent in Pakistan’s national colour is JF-17 is 09-111 flown by the ‘Black Spiders’ at Peshawar. The JF-17 will play a big part in the PAF’s future strategy. AFD-Alan Warnes

Does it carry out photosynthesis?

 

[IrbiS]

Does it carry out photosynthesis?

Should a jet? Oh maybe we could convert that energy into extra thrust or powering avionics. Just kidding but what are you saying?

 

[greatone]

Should a jet? Oh maybe we could convert that energy into extra thrust or powering avionics. Just kidding but what are you saying?

Its a joke about the green color.Jeez.

 

[IrbiS]

Its a joke about the green color.Jeez.

That's why I gave the idea of turning light energy into extra thrust or electricity without changing engine☺
But still gotta ask if the guy has something more on his mind.

 

[greatone]

That's why I gave the idea of turning light energy into extra thrust or electricity without changing engine☺
But still gotta ask if the guy has something more on his mind.

Yeah Sure.
You knew.

 

[raazh]

Dimensions and shaping wise, the JF-17 is very close to the F-16. So I would have no problems placing a clean JF-17 in the same borderline 'stealth' threshold region as a clean F-16. Can Pakistan devote resources to lower a clean JF-17 into the 'stealth' region ? Absolutely, but it will require so much work that Pakistan might as well embark on a true 'stealth' fighter program.

Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. I would like to ask a question related to India vs Pakistan.

There is one critical factor for Pakistan to consider and that is the fact that our main enemy is right next door. We share approx 3000km border and almost all of the procurement on both sides of the border is done keeping in mind the other country as target. All the ground radars and AWACS are 24x7 focused on this area. Also in case of any alert both the forces will focus every thing they have on the border. In such a scenario do you see any scope or benefit of a stealth aircraft in general ??

 

[l'ingénieur]

Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. I would like to ask a question related to India vs Pakistan.

There is one critical factor for Pakistan to consider and that is the fact that our main enemy is right next door. We share approx 3000km border and almost all of the procurement on both sides of the border is done keeping in mind the other country as target. All the ground radars and AWACS are 24x7 focused on this area. Also in case of any alert both the forces will focus every thing they have on the border. In such a scenario do you see any scope or benefit of a stealth aircraft in general ??

no our main enemy right now is ourselves
no point on hiding that fact. till we pakistanis learn to live in peace together we will never prosper.

 

[gambit]

Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. I would like to ask a question related to India vs Pakistan.

There is one critical factor for Pakistan to consider and that is the fact that our main enemy is right next door. We share approx 3000km border and almost all of the procurement on both sides of the border is done keeping in mind the other country as target. All the ground radars and AWACS are 24x7 focused on this area. Also in case of any alert both the forces will focus every thing they have on the border. In such a scenario do you see any scope or benefit of a stealth aircraft in general ??

If you are going to design a 'stealth' fighter from paper, then yes, the tactical advantages will be obvious enough that it will create strategic advantages in your favor.

When I was on the F-111 in the mid-80s, which was designed back in the 1950s, the Soviets never failed to bring up the removal of all F-111s from England in their arms reduction/limitation negotiations with NATO. It is not that the -111 can get pretty quick to Eastern Europe's borders, but that a four-ship formation of -111s can evade enough of the Warsaw Pact's radar nets and go deeper. What 'stealth' does is to enable an attacker to bypass or even penetrate the defender's detection without the defender knowing when and where. Being 'stealthy' does not mean you ignore the EM threat, it means you still have the burden of mapping out your ingress/egress routes to avoid said EM threats, but if you have to expose yourself to the defender's radar, being 'stealthy' will dramatically reduce your odds of being ID-ed as an attacker.

So regardless of how near is a potential adversary borderwise, you still have to cross hundreds of km of EM hostile environment in order to engage one or many vital targets.

 

[l'ingénieur]

jf 17 best fighter jet in the world

 

[IrbiS]

Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. I would like to ask a question related to India vs Pakistan.

There is one critical factor for Pakistan to consider and that is the fact that our main enemy is right next door. We share approx 3000km border and almost all of the procurement on both sides of the border is done keeping in mind the other country as target. All the ground radars and AWACS are 24x7 focused on this area. Also in case of any alert both the forces will focus every thing they have on the border. In such a scenario do you see any scope or benefit of a stealth aircraft in general ??

ALLAH forbid but if you get in a conflict,wouldn't it be helpful to have stealthy platforms which could go behind enemy lines and get the job done. We are not Nato or U.s. our planes are mostly on their own if they go in hostile airspace without sead escort and jamming aircraft specified for each mission.Stealthy platforms plus long range munition would answer future needs.

 

[raazh]

If you are going to design a 'stealth' fighter from paper, then yes, the tactical advantages will be obvious enough that it will create strategic advantages in your favor.

Being 'stealthy' does not mean you ignore the EM threat, it means you still have the burden of mapping out your ingress/egress routes to avoid said EM threats, but if you have to expose yourself to the defender's radar, being 'stealthy' will dramatically reduce your odds of being ID-ed as an attacker.

So regardless of how near is a potential adversary borderwise, you still have to cross hundreds of km of EM hostile environment in order to engage one or many vital targets.

Thanks. I don't have doubts on the advantages of a Stealthy air frame; however I reckon the advantage should decrease considerably if the enemy is expecting you and welcomes your ingress with AWACS + 3-6 top of the line air superiority fighters. Not to forget the whole ingress package will have to steer clear of enemy radars and SAM installations.

I think Ballistic, Cruise missiles and other long range stand off missiles will be more appropriate solutions for both India and Pakistan incase there is any serious clash.

 

[ashish1]

Congrats Pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

Dimensions and shaping wise, the JF-17 is very close to the F-16. So I would have no problems placing a clean JF-17 in the same borderline 'stealth' threshold region as a clean F-16. Can Pakistan devote resources to lower a clean JF-17 into the 'stealth' region ? Absolutely, but it will require so much work that Pakistan might as well embark on a true 'stealth' fighter program.
Can Pakistan modify the JF-17 into a 'stealth' fighter to give its pilot that 30-sec radar advantage ? That is not a million dollars question but more like a few bils.

And those million(or billion) dollars essentially then negate the very purpose of the JF-17: being cheap and cost effective. The idea is always that a JF-17 should be able to pop out for every 1/3 of the adversary's aircraft cost while still being able to join in so to speak within the "weight" category.
The premise being that if the adversary send in a $100 million dollar jet that can carry twenty missiles and fire on air and ground targets simultaneously.. there should be 3-4 JF-17s up in the air costing around $18 million a plane being able to fire back. With the avionics on it and the associated Air to Air weaponry.. it is on its way to meet that requirement.

There will NEVER be a "stealth" JF-17 because of the overriding limiter that is cost.