JF-17 Thunder as a replacement for Moroccan F-5 & F-1 fleet?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Realistically Pakistan could seel J17 Thunders to


Saudia / Iran 50 fighters each which ever country is interested in it (seems like Saudia is )
36 Fighters for Alegria
36 Fighters for Egypt
36 Fighters for Morocco

But it all depends on their Budget and desire to purchase

Sign the Dotted line

 

[Chak Bamu]

Realistically Pakistan could seel J17 Thunders to


Saudia / Iran 50 fighters each which ever country is interested in it (seems like Saudia is )
36 Fighters for Alegria
36 Fighters for Egypt
36 Fighters for Morocco

But it all depends on their Budget and desire to purchase

Sign the Dotted line

Are you serious? Man this is NOT a troll thread.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well these nations need aircraft and we have planes to sell , should sell

I mean back few years we heard Egypt was interested
Recently Saudia showed interest in JF17 co production, and it appears to be a major initiative

Algeria / Morocco could also use some extra planes

Just saying , the customers are there we just need to show the plane in action

The problem has always been ... we hear about some interest but there is no follow up to plane sales

Egypt would have been a fore runner in purchase had they not had political problems becasue they already operate the K8


I mean logically who needs new planes ?

Iraq (Yes)
Algeria (Yes)
Morocco (Yes)
Egypt (Yes, a secondary option plane)
Iran (Big need for 100-200 planes)
Saudi Arabia (Would buy all the planes we would sell to Iran)

Many Eastern Asian Nations or central asia may also have some interest in small orders

Perhaps the bottle neck is we do not have a second production line for export orders our existing factories are handling our own local productiom so we need to perhaps invest more in improving the production capacity of the planes

If Saudia lets say get into a 100 plane deal with Pakistan , then yes we can ignore other clients and focus immediately on Joint Production but if not then we should seek to seek small 2 squadron orders to such countries

 

[aliaselin]

This is only a discussion on Moroccan military forum, and the only truth is CATIC has joined in an open exhibition in Moroccan.

 

[Chak Bamu]

This is only a discussion on Moroccan military forum, and the only truth is CATIC has joined in an open exhibition in Moroccan.

Good to hear from someone other than a fellow Pakistani. Is it possible for you to expand on your short post?

 

[aliaselin]

Good to hear from someone other than a fellow Pakistani. Is it possible for you to expand on your short post?

There is a link on the downside of the news, and I found it is for a Moroccan military forum. And for that linked page, only a voting for replacement of F-5, while not a formal news. My further research shows that the related news about this is:
صينيُو CATIC يسعون لتسويق "التنين المفترس" للجيش المغربي

 

[VCheng]

I mean logically who needs new planes ?
Iraq (Yes)
Algeria (Yes)
Morocco (Yes)
Egypt (Yes, a secondary option plane)
Iran (Big need for 100-200 planes)
Saudi Arabia (Would buy all the planes we would sell to Iran)

All these countries will likely buy from Western sources, except Iran, which is under tight sanctions.

 

[Andalusi Knight]

Hi everyone,

I joined this Pakistani Forum just to answer this thread, I was searching on Google for differences between the Moroccan F-5 Tiger and the Chinese/Pakistani JF-17, and I found the thread, so I was having fun going through the subject and the whole conversations.. First of all, I would love to notice, that as a Moroccan and Muslim, I'm so proud of the Pakistani Army, who truly works hard in order to have a word in the world community, which I wish nothing but the best for you..

Returning to the subject, the RMAF got the offer from the Chinese Chendgu and also proposed an industrial cooperation to the RMAF, which is a great offer. As you all know, the RMAF has 24 F-16 Block 50/52++, Alpha Jets for training, and Mirage F1 and F-5 Tiger. The French Mirage F1 were upgraded to MF2000 lately, which mean, there's no need to replace them for the moment, so what the RMAF is focusing on, is what would replace the F-5 Tiger, and there's too many options as you know.

Believe it or not, me, as the most of the Moroccans who're interested in the RMAF news, we're too open for the Chinese offer, because that would give us a push, to have more industrial cooperation in the future, making our own fight jets, but the RMAF chiefs, as I guess, are more interested in an aircraft with two engines, because Algeria has the Su-35 and Spain has the F-18 and Eurofighter Typhoon as well, so we need something that would face these at once..
So from my point of view, I think that the JF-17 offer comes in the 2nd place, and nobody knows what the RMAF is aiming on, as the 1st place.I Thank you all, one by one, for being interested in the thread, and I will try to continue the conversation with you..

Greetings from Morocco

 

[Chak Bamu]

Hi everyone,
I joined this Pakistani Forum just to answer this thread, I was searching on Google for differences between the Moroccan F-5 Tiger and the Chinese/Pakistani JF-17, and I found the thread, so I was having fun going through the subject and the whole conversations..
First of all, I would love to notice, that as a Moroccan and Muslim, I'm so proud of the Pakistani Army, who truly works hard in order to have a word in the world community, which I wish nothing but the best for you..
Returning to the subject, the RMAF got the offer from the Chinese Chendgu and also proposed an industrial cooperation to the RMAF, which is a great offer..
As you all know, the RMAF has 24 F-16 Block 50/52++, Alpha Jets for training, and Mirage F1 and F-5 Tiger..
The French Mirage F1 were upgraded to MF2000 lately, which mean, there's no need to replace them for the moment, so what the RMAF is focusing on, is what would replace the F-5 Tiger, and there's too many options as you know..
Believe it or not, me, as the most of the Moroccans who're interested in the RMAF news, we're too open for the Chinese offer, because that would give us a push, to have more industrial cooperation in the future, making our own fight jets, but the RMAF chiefs, as I guess, are more interested in an aircraft with two engines, because Algeria has the Su-35 and Spain has the F-18 and Eurofighter Typhoon as well, so we need something that would face these at once..
So from my point of view, I think that the JF-17 offer comes in the 2nd place, and nobody knows what the RMAF is aiming on, as the 1st place..
I Thank you all, one by one, for being interested in the thread, and I will try to continue the conversation with you..
Greetings from Morocco

Ahlan wa Sahlan wa Mar7aba ya Akhi... Welcome PDF. Do stick around, because though we have many Arab posters from around the world, we probably lack Arab brothers from Morocco.

I was hoping for somebody from Morocco or of Moroccan back-ground to provide a relevant opinion. Your post is very well appreciated.

You can find more information at:

JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5] | Page 295 - where you can share news and concerns.

JF-17 Thunder - Information Pool - where you can find relevant technical information thanks to @Manticore . You might wish to take a good look this and following posts: Arguments of choosing JF-17 Thunder over JAS-39 Gripen | Page 25 Again thanks to Manticore.

For general threads on JF-17 discussions you can go to JF-17 sub-Section on the Air Force Section: JF-17 Thunder

You can see the latest public demonstration of JF-17 in Dubai last year here: JF-17 Thunder in Dubai Air Show 2013. | Page 7

You might be interested in noting that JF-17 went through at least three design-phases. It was known during the entire design process that JF-17 would be facing Su-30 and Mig-29. It was designed so that this light, nimble, and quick fighter with capable armament can face and challenge these beasts. It is obviously a multi-role light air craft, but it has everything that it needs to compete with far more expensive aircraft. The BVR capability gives it serious deterrence value in a defensive role.

Twin-engine fighters have range and pay load. But often suffer from lower availability rates and typically higher Radar Cross Section (RCS). JF-17 has higher availability rate because it has intelligent diagnostics and easy to service design and only one engine to service. It can generate seriously higher sortie rates. This means that same number of JF-17s as Mig-29 will fly more sorties and provide mission flexibility by having higher availability. In a defensive posture, you can not go wrong with JF-17.

I can go on and on, but I will let you find stuff by yourself.

Any RMAF decision will depend upon its doctrine and posture. In a defensive posture JF-17 has good value, but in an offensive posture, you would need something that can compare with Spanish Eurofighters and beat Algerian SU-30s. You might wish to go with Dassault Rafale (Dassault Rafale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet in that case.

 

[Andalusi Knight]

Ahlan feek Akhi L'Ghali, I appreciate your reply and it's a honor for me to stay with you and to be an active member..

When comes to the JF-17, believe me, I was so happy, not only me, but all the members of our group in the FB, when we saw the offer of Chendgu in Marrakesh Airshow 2014, above all of it, the industrial cooperation with the RMAF, because that will open us the gates for more projects in the future, especially with Pakistan, because we bought from you Khalid's tanks the same as Saudi Arabia did..

Returning to our subject, your guess is absolutely right, in order for the RMAF to have a word in our geography, we need to face the Algerian and Spanish Air Forces, JF-17 is a great offer as I mentioned before, but the issue is, the JF-17 is a long term investment, so the time is running against the RMAF, Spain, from a side, has the full support from the EU and from the NATO, and Algeria has their resources (Oil and Gas), so the best option for the moment, is buying a reasonable number of Rafale from France, and all depends on the French offer, because they don't want to give us power, because Spain will put her weights on France, and F-18 won't be a good choice, as you said, has a high RCS, I think the F15 still a better choice, but the financial situation might be not helpful..

I only wish that the RMAF chiefs makes the best decision for our nation..

If I may ask, it will be possible for you, to give me the Radar Range of JF-17 versus the aircraft we mentioned ?

I'm so happy to be between you, and I only hope I can be helpful for you

"In Yansorokom Allah Fala Ghaleba Lakum"

 

[SALMAN F]

Hi everyone,
I joined this Pakistani Forum just to answer this thread, I was searching on Google for differences between the Moroccan F-5 Tiger and the Chinese/Pakistani JF-17, and I found the thread, so I was having fun going through the subject and the whole conversations..
First of all, I would love to notice, that as a Moroccan and Muslim, I'm so proud of the Pakistani Army, who truly works hard in order to have a word in the world community, which I wish nothing but the best for you..
Returning to the subject, the RMAF got the offer from the Chinese Chendgu and also proposed an industrial cooperation to the RMAF, which is a great offer..
As you all know, the RMAF has 24 F-16 Block 50/52++, Alpha Jets for training, and Mirage F1 and F-5 Tiger..
The French Mirage F1 were upgraded to MF2000 lately, which mean, there's no need to replace them for the moment, so what the RMAF is focusing on, is what would replace the F-5 Tiger, and there's too many options as you know..
Believe it or not, me, as the most of the Moroccans who're interested in the RMAF news, we're too open for the Chinese offer, because that would give us a push, to have more industrial cooperation in the future, making our own fight jets, but the RMAF chiefs, as I guess, are more interested in an aircraft with two engines, because Algeria has the Su-35 and Spain has the F-18 and Eurofighter Typhoon as well, so we need something that would face these at once..
So from my point of view, I think that the JF-17 offer comes in the 2nd place, and nobody knows what the RMAF is aiming on, as the 1st place..
I Thank you all, one by one, for being interested in the thread, and I will try to continue the conversation with you..
Greetings from Morocco

Welcome to the forum are you really andalusi???

 

[Andalusi Knight]

Welcome to the forum are you really andalusi???

Thank you brother Salman.. My origins are from Andalusia, from Salamanca to be exact

 

[SALMAN F]

Thank you brother Salman.. My origins are from Andalusia, from Salamanca to be exact

You are welcome I love al Andalus and her great history

 

[Manticore]

discussions thread
JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]
Arguments of choosing JF-17 Thunder over JAS-39 Gripen

informative threads
Specifications of JF-17 blk1 based on Dubai Airshow 2011
JF-17 Thunder's Armament
JF-17's various initial design phases
JF-17 Thunder - Information Pool


welcome to the forum,
Andalusi Knight

 

[elitepilot09]

In my opinion, before the JF-17 platform sees success in the export market there are a few KEY features which it needs (some of these are well on their way):

1. Air to Air refueling probe IN ADDITION to a larger internal fuel tank
2. Minimum of 9 hardpoints
3. Dual seat variant.
4. AESA radar implementation (I imagine that European alternatives are preferred by clients)

I truly believe that Pakistan introduced the JF-17 to the world approximately 4-5 years too early. These 4 key features, in my opinion, are an absolute must in today's fighter export market. Once the JF-17 boasts these capabilities, I guarantee you that the first contract will be signed shortly there after.