JF-17 Presses On After News of Egypt's Plans

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Yes,but now ?

im not saying we are better then the Israeli...i personally admire the iaf and the way they protect their nation we can lots from them...all im saying is that we are the only nation to have a positive kill ration over the Israeli(which are considered to to the world's most elite pilots)

Ask the Indians,Israelis,Russians,Afghans who got shot down... or perhaps international ex in which PAF participated?

THANK YOU...SEE WHAT I MEAN WE HAVE HAD A VERY GOOD COMBAT RECORD

 

[Frogman]

it is true, why should we sugarcoat facts... i admitted that we got killed in the 71 war in running away from that


not really Israeli have bvrm while the Egyptian don't
Israeli pilot still are better than Egyptian

Israel has just over 10 pilots who have clocked over a 1000 hours on the F-16, in contrast Egypt has around 55, and has one of only four pilots outside of the US who has clocked over 4000 hours.

But that doesn't matter nor does the fact that Egypt changed from its Soviet doctrine days and has adopted western tactics, its the results of half a century ago that matter, because after all you're just here to push your biggotted views that 'Arabs can't fight' while ignoring thousands of years and conflicts (some of which you have no idea about) that say otherwise.

Anyway, the article makes too many assumptions, Egypt was looking at the UAE M2K-9 when it first showed interest in the JF-17

 

[N/A]

Israel has just over 10 pilots who have clocked over a 1000 hours on the F-16, in contrast Egypt has around 55, and has one of only four pilots outside of the US who has clocked over 4000 hours.

But that doesn't matter nor does the fact that Egypt changed from its Soviet doctrine days and has adopted western tactics, its the results of half a century ago that matter, because after all you're just here to push your biggotted views that 'Arabs can't fight' while ignoring thousands of years and conflicts (some of which you have no idea about) that say otherwise.

Anyway, the article makes too many assumptions, Egypt was looking at the UAE M2K-9 when it first showed interest in the JF-17

JUST STOP... EGYPT HAS THE WORLD WORST F16 CRASH RATE

Washington would block Egypt from buying American weaponry with that money — a serious long-term problem for a military that is already viewed as sclerotic and has neglected pilot training so badly that the Egyptian air force has one of the worst crash rates of any F-16 fleet in the world.-http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/world/middleeast/cairo-military-firmly-hooked-to-us-lifeline.html?pagewanted=all

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

People---I would recommend that there be no mention any further of Pakistani pilots in foreign conflicts. I believe that was a major blunder on the part of PAF. They could not provide support to the pak navy in 1971 and there they go thousands of miles away.

 

[N/A]

Yes,but now ?

ASK THE BRITISH EUROFIGHTER PILOTS WHO SHOT THEM DOWN DURING Anatolian Eagle WITHOUT SUFFERING A LOSE....RAF Eurofighter Typhoons 'beaten by Pakistani F-16s' • The Register

 

[SipahSalar]

People---I would recommend that there be no mention any further of Pakistani pilots in foreign conflicts. I believe that was a major blunder on the part of PAF. They could not provide support to the pak navy in 1971 and there they go thousands of miles away.

They were just 5 to 10 pilots. Symbolic rather than practical. Besides the conflict they took part in was in a different time period. So your assertion is ridiculous.

 

[N/A]

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS WRITING LIKE THAT ?

why are you changing the topic?

 

[Gabriel92]

why are you changing the topic?

JUST ASKED,CAN'T YOU WRITE SOMETHING NORMALLY.
And good for you.

 

[Frogman]

JUST STOP... EGYPT HAS THE WORLD WORST F16 CRASH RATE

Washington would block Egypt from buying American weaponry with that money — a serious long-term problem for a military that is already viewed as sclerotic and has neglected pilot training so badly that the Egyptian air force has one of the worst crash rates of any F-16 fleet in the world.-http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/world/middleeast/cairo-military-firmly-hooked-to-us-lifeline.html?pagewanted=all

Except when you ignore journalistic crap you would find that isn't true. Since delivery in 1982 Egypt has lost 19 aircraft through accidents and mishaps whereas its direct competitor has lost 38. Now, if you have a basic grasp of mathematics you would realise something, and that's Egypt's accident and mishap rates are in line with the four largest operators outside of the US.

F-16 Accidents & Mishaps for the Israel Defense Force / Air Force
F-16 Accidents & Mishaps for the Egyptian Air Force

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

Update yourself Kid... 49 are inducted, second block is ready.

Yes. 50 are inducted. But when Pakistan started the serial production 5.5 years back, it already had 8 planes received from China. So added 42 planes in last 5.5 years. Simple Math.

A Question
How many Tejas Supa dupa Galactic pawa India Has Inducted?

Irrelevant to the discussion in hand.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Update yourself Kid... 49 are inducted, second block is ready. A Question
How many Tejas Supa dupa Galactic pawa India Has Inducted?

How many LCAs are in service is irrelevant really. In the same time the IAF has inducted more than 60 SU-30MKIs and continues to induct them at a rate of 12-14 a year.

Anyway @Topic, It makes sense for the sales team to keep perusing this deal, it isn't over until the ink meets the paper.

 

[N/A]

Except when you ignore journalistic crap you would find that isn't true. Since delivery in 1982 Egypt has lost 19 aircraft through accidents and mishaps whereas its direct competitor has lost 38. Now, if you have a basic grasp of mathematics you would realise something, and that's Egypt's accident and mishap rates are in line with the four largest operators outside of the US.

F-16 Accidents & Mishaps for the Israel Defense Force / Air Force
F-16 Accidents & Mishaps for the Egyptian Air Force

number of f16 crashed
paf-9 (during the the 90s sanctions caused lacks of spare part but the f16 still flew fine
egypt- 19

 

[MastanKhan]

They were just 5 to 10 pilots. Symbolic rather than practical. Besides the conflict they took part in was in a different time period. So your assertion is ridiculous.

Hi,

How does it feel coming back after the BAN?

My assertions may not be to your liking---but they are never ridiculous. You just need to have the ability to understand and comprehend them, because they are not on the same wavelength of your comprehension and I cannot take blame for that.

For you it might be a different time---but for Israel it may not be and that is what counts the most.

I cannot understand what the PAF was thinking of achieving with 3 or 4 pilots---. But then when Egypt made peace with Israel, Pakistan should have done the same.

 

[Frogman]

number of f16 crashed
paf-9 (during the the 90s sanctions caused lacks of spare part but the f16 still flew fine
egypt- 19

For a squadron leader you're quite dim.

Ripped from F-16.net

Two factors determine the number of aircraft lost in operational service. First, the size of the fleet: the more aircraft an air force operates, the more aircraft can be expected statistically to be lost to attrition. Second, the longer a particular aircraft type has been in active service with a particular air force, the longer F-16 losses can accumulate and the higher the absoute number of F-16 losses will be.

As the largest F-16 operator by far, the United States Air Force also lost the largest number of aircraft - 321 F-16s at the time of writing. Not only does he US Air Force have the largest active fleet (50% of all F-16s are operated by the USAF), it was also he first air force to start F-16 operations in 1979.

Next come the other long-term F-16 operators: the Netherlands, Belgium, Israel, Turkey, Egypt, Norway, South Korea,Greece and Denmark. Not only have these air forces been operating F-16s since the early 80s, they also operate large fleets. The Royal Netherlands Air Force and Belgian Air Force have particularily high attrition numbers, with 36 and 33 aircraft losses respectively. The RNlAF and BAF have been operating F-16s since 1979 and many of these losses occured in the early years. For both airforces, the F-16 represent a leap in technology: the Netherlands were flying F-104 Starfighters and F-5 Freedom Fighters as their main combat aircraft, while Belgium was operating Mirage 5 and F-104 Starfighter aircraft.

At the lower end of the scale, the Italian Air Force is particulary noteworthy. The AMI leased a small fleet of 34 F-16A/B ADF aircraft from the US Air Force to bridge the gap between their F-104 Starfighter fleet and the new Eurofighter Typhoon, but have suffered from high attrition.

At the time of writing, only six air forces have not suffered any attrition: the Royal Moroccan Air Force is rather obvious (no F-16s delivered yet); the Iranian air force never operated any F-16s (order was cancelled), NASA (which only operated 6 F-16s at its peak), the Polish Air Force, the Royal Air Force of Oman and the Chilean Air Force.

 

[General General]

I think there would be more interest in the plane when Block II's capabilities are made public and there are some significant and clever marketing comparisons made between the new block and the first one. But that is a matter of how it is presented to clients. A small dedicated team for the promotion and marketing, consisting of experts on the subject, won't hurt either.