JF-17 overhaul project started at AVIC Changsha

[The Eagle]

This is a bit interesting that I found through undermentioned sources. For instance, it is an overhaul project for JF-17 started in China. The article also states that subjected project/overhaul line will be doing the job from 2nd Gen to 3rd Generation and we all understand that Chinese 2nd Generation term is equal to other 3rd generation for the rest of the world hence, Chinese 3rd Generation indicates as 4th Generation overhauling. My understanding could be wrong too but I found it to post so that we can discuss and understand much better. The machine repair would be most probably to indicate about structure stengthening/Airframe repair on par with 4th Generation plans. So by the same understanding, one can assume that JF-17 overhaul will actually move its standard from mere 4th Generation to ++ standard. For an example we see how Fighting Falcon (F-16) proceeded with upgrades and structure strengthening. It may be mentioned as the overhaul will actually take the air-frame strength to coup with future weapon advancement, payload etc.

My understanding could be wrong or incorrect in interpretation hence, you all are welcome to discuss.

Chinese friends are hereby called upon to share a better translated version and Google Translate does not help fully in this regard.

I will quote a paragraph from the same article, for the time being.

The first "Fierce Dragon" aircraft overhaul line project started

The "Xiaolong" aircraft overhaul line project is a military trade project jointly implemented by four aviation and aerospace industry companies, including CATIC, Chengdu and Chengfei. Changfei is the main unit of the project. The launch of the first "Xiaolong" aircraft overhaul and construction project marks the march of the aviation industry's military and military aircraft from the second generation machine repair to the third generation machine repair and will surely play a positive role in promoting the development of aviation manufacturing and aviation maintenance overseas markets effect.

https://twitter.com/x/status/928615419413282816

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

i don't get it what's the meaning of this, if we're gonna get block three it will be 4 gen, they should be working on that as a first priority and than convert the remaining blocks to 4 gen status.

 

[Zarvan]

i don't get it what's the meaning of this, if we're gonna get block three it will be 4 gen, they should be working on that as a first priority and than convert the remaining blocks to 4 gen status.

When Chinese say Generation 2 it means Generation 3 and when they say Generation 3 it means Generation 4

 

[war&peace]

Hmm sir I'm not sure if this gen-terminology applies in this case because overhaul usually does not result in gen-upgradation or we may very well have a "lost in translation" case at our hands where upgradation has been translated into overhaul somehow.
However it proves to be true...that'll be a welcome development nonetheless.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

My understanding could be wrong or incorrect in interpretation

what this might be is that they're testing new things for the block three, on existing frames rather than making a whole new prototype.

When Chinese say Generation 2 it means Generation 3 and when they say Generation 3 it means Generation 4

sir i do understand that their generation standards are different and my post was after taking that point into consideration read it again please.

 

[Zarvan]

We need Chinese members to exactly translate this for us @Deino @Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986 @Beast and others

 

[The Eagle]

A facility is being inaugurated for overhauling that I see it a better and before time development for the JF-17 project from many aspects. We would have same at PAC, though but the same is not mentioned in this article at all. My understanding for generation mentioning, is that may be it is about the quality of overhauling as well as repair of air-frame where, if needed, Block-II air frame be brought to the level of Block-III by upgradation during overhauling process.

 

[maravan91]

Overhaul. In the general aviation industry, the term engine overhaul has two identifications that make a distinction between the degrees of work on an engine:

(1) Major Overhaul. A major overhaul consists of the complete disassembly of an engine. The overhaul facility inspects the engine, repairs it as necessary, reassembles, tests, and approves it for return to service within the fits and limits specified by the manufacturer’s overhaul data. This could be to new fits and limits or serviceable limits. The engine owner should clearly understand what fits and limits should be used when the engine is presented for overhaul. The owner should also be aware of any replaced parts, regardless of condition, as a result of a manufacturer’s overhaul data, SB, or an Airworthiness Directive (AD).

(2) Top Overhaul. Top overhaul consists of repair to parts outside of the crankcase, and can be accomplished without completely disassembling the entire engine. It can include the removal of cylinders, inspection and repair to cylinders, inspection and repair to cylinder walls, pistons, valve-operation mechanisms, valve guides, valve seats, and the replacement of piston and piston rings. All manufacturers do not recommend a top overhaul. Some manufacturers indicate that a powerplant requiring work to this extent should receive a complete overhaul.

 

[The Eagle]

i don't get it what's the meaning of this, if we're gonna get block three it will be 4 gen, they should be working on that as a first priority and than convert the remaining blocks to 4 gen status.

Block-III work is already commenced and it is about an overhaul facility as both subjects are different in nature of work.

@Horus @Tempest II @Dazzler @TaimiKhan @fatman17 @HRK and others.

 

[CriticalThought]

Full translation of the article using google translate:

The first "Fierce Dragon" aircraft overhaul line project started
2017-11-09 09:18 China Aviation News Yan Li I want to comment 0
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November 7, the first aircraft industry, "Xiaolong" aircraft overhaul and construction of the project started in the aviation industry long flight, from Pakistan, Aviation Industry Defense Engineering, CATIC, Chengdu, Chengdu, the leadership of the ceremony attended the ceremony .

China Aviation News: November 7, the first aircraft industry, "Fierce Dragon" aircraft overhaul and construction of the project started in the aviation industry long flight, from Pakistan, Aviation Industry Defense Engineering, CATIC, Chengdu, Chengdu, the leadership Attend the ceremony. The ceremony read out the Notice on Clarifying the Responsibilities and Implementing the Division of Work of the Project Management Team of Xiaolong Aircraft Overhaul Line Project and giving the banner to the Pioneer Team of Xiaolong Aircraft Overhaul Line.

Both Pakistani and Chinese sides said they will give their full support to the pilot trial of the first aircraft of the FIA industry. Through the joint efforts, the aircraft will be built into another gold business card of the aviation industry to make a friendship between China and Pakistan. Due contribution.

The "Xiaolong" aircraft overhaul line project is a military trade project jointly implemented by four aviation and aerospace industry companies, including CATIC, Chengdu and Chengfei. Changfei is the main unit of the project. The launch of the first "Xiaolong" aircraft overhaul and construction project marks the march of the aviation industry's military and military aircraft from the repair of the second-generation machine to the third-generation machine repair. It will surely play an active role in promoting the development of the aviation manufacturing and aviation maintenance overseas markets effect.

 

[maravan91]

From pics and color scheme it looks like a pakistan jf 17 transported to China for overhaul

 

[The Eagle]

From pics and color scheme it looks like a pakistan jf 17 transported to China for overhaul

China does not operate any JF-17. What is the point of such post. Indeed, initial birds are only operated by PAF/Pakistan.

Where does the OP mention the JF-17? The story seems to be about the FC-1, unless I am mistaken.

PS: My previous post was NOT off -topic, either. "Your post in the thread JF-17 overhaul project started at AVIC Changsha was deleted. Reason: Derailing/Flame-Baiting/Off-topic Discussion/Provoking/Trolling, is not allowed."

JF-17/FC-1, is joint production of Pakistan & China and both are ready to sell. You are one of the senior members and knows well but if it is about cherry picking/going by words as a naive person, I shouldn't but still, will advise you to not to open another chapter into a subject for discussion. The veiled trolling and derailing be kept aside and every thread is not supposed to be done like this.

Regards,

 

[DarX]

From pics and color scheme it looks like a pakistan jf 17 transported to China for overhaul

China does not operate any JF-17. What is the point of such post. Indeed, initial birds are only operated by PAF/Pakistan.

From what I understand of this is that China is building up the infrastructure for mass production and support of the FC-1/JF-17 platform. For this purpose, they might've built a complete facility and asked for Pakistani fighter jets to be sent for overhaul as a pilot project. I don't think there is any lack of overhauling capacity at PAC, as it has been operating rebuild factories for all of its major types and has even initiated a project to install a major overhaul facility for the RD-93.

Overall, this is extremely encouraging news. If China is investing so heavily in the JF-17, there is no reason why it will forgo the JF-17 as one of the fighters of the PLAAF. Why it has not done up till now is perhaps more connected to a preference for the advanced Block-3 jets.

 

[The Eagle]

From what I understand of this is that China is building up the infrastructure for mass production and support of the FC-1/JF-17 platform. For this purpose, they might've built a complete facility and asked for Pakistani fighter jets to be sent for overhaul as a pilot project. I don't think there is any lack of overhauling capacity at PAC, as it has been operating rebuild factories for all of its major types and has even initiated a project to install a major overhaul facility for the RD-93.

My understanding is not about lack of such capacity at PAC that I am sure, will come by the time when needed as currently our emphasis was more about production and advancing to new block and initially, as & when needed, overhauling can be taken care at Chinese Facility. However, as said, will come to PAC as well in due time.

Overall, this is extremely encouraging news. If China is investing so heavily in the JF-17, there is no reason why it will forgo the JF-17 as one of the fighters of the PLAAF. Why it has not done up till now is perhaps more connected to a preference for the advanced Block-3 jets.

PLAAF interest into JF-17 is not main concern here as we have talked a lot about the same in different threads. Geography and need of such capacity bird are the main concern.

I see. The claim that JF-17 and FC-1 are the same aircraft is not allowed to be challenged. Understood. Please carry on.

A claim or you try to imply as such. FC/1 by China and JF-17 PAC/China, are the same birds. Export oriented names are not subject here nor it is the concern but in OP, it has been emphasized upon total different concern and I bet, you can read it. You are welcome to add anything valuable to the subject here.

 

[Areesh]

From pics and color scheme it looks like a pakistan jf 17 transported to China for overhaul