JF 17 is The Wrong Omnirole Aircraft For PAKISTAN

[SQ8]

Stay on topic and take your Tejas fantasies to the relevant thread.

@waz @WAJsal @TaimiKhan

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[Furqan Sarwar]

I don't know why so many of you like the JH-7 so much.

It is an outdated aircraft, which the PLA is phasing out and replacing with J-16. There are NO on-going projects to upgrade radar, engines, avionics or anything else. PLA is using JH-7 as a stand-off missile platform, a modified 1950s bomber(H-6K) could've done the same job.

There's no point buying a second hand plane that is outdated before you even bought it. Just like how PAF isn't trying to get more Mirages, it's more or less the same.

Get J-16, get Su-34, get whatever heavy fighter you have access to. They all are much more capable in general. Unless PAF need a plane to fill the "cost effective standoff missile launching platform" role and that role only, there's no point buying JH-7.

And stop fantasizing about JH-7B, there's no such thing. All JH-7B "leaked" pictures are proven to be photoshopped. There might have been a EW version, but that role is replaced by J-16 now.

That's very harsh of you. You have ruined many peoples fantasy of seeing JH-7B in Pakistani colors.

 

[salman-1]

No problem in fantasising any type of aircraft, but for your knowledge JH-7A even never came into PAF consideration as it's a almost failed project due to non availablility of a suitable engine. And it's a loose copy of F4 phantom fighter. This type could have been viable only if was available in eighties when Russian invasion was on the verge and PAF bought A-5

 

[MastanKhan]

No problem in fantasising any type of aircraft, but for your knowledge JH-7A even never came into PAF consideration as it's a almost failed project due to non availablility of a suitable engine. And it's a loose copy of F4 phantom fighter. This type could have been viable only if was available in eighties when Russian invasion was on the verge and PAF bought A-5

Hi,

If you would have done more research on it---it is a copy of the F111 minus the swing wing---and if you read up the comments from air force professionals---it is one of the better aircraft for low flight naval strike missions---.

Much better than the J16--J15---SU35's---SU30's etc etc etc---. The engine on this aircraft has no issues---.

If the Paf could go for the A5 Fantan and then claim that the JH7 has issues---then the issue is with the Paf and not the aircraft---.

Due to its wing design---it has a much stable low low altitude flight capability---which is a massive plus for a naval strike mission---plus it can carry more tonnage than any of the above mentioned aircraft---.

I don't know why so many of you like the JH-7 so much.

It is an outdated aircraft, which the PLA is phasing out and replacing with J-16. There are NO on-going projects to upgrade radar, engines, avionics or anything else. PLA is using JH-7 as a stand-off missile platform, a modified 1950s bomber(H-6K) could've done the same job.

There's no point buying a second hand plane that is outdated before you even bought it. Just like how PAF isn't trying to get more Mirages, it's more or less the same.

Get J-16, get Su-34, get whatever heavy fighter you have access to. They all are much more capable in general. Unless PAF need a plane to fill the "cost effective standoff missile launching platform" role and that role only, there's no point buying JH-7.

And stop fantasizing about JH-7B, there's no such thing. All JH-7B "leaked" pictures are proven to be photoshopped. There might have been a EW version, but that role is replaced by J-16 now.

Hi,

In our scenario of naval strike missions---you need to take a look at our map of arabian sea---our location and our enemy's locations---.

As I mentioned in my previous post---this aircraft has the best wing design for low low flight over the seas---. None of the J's or the SU's come close to it in that matter---. Only the SU34 has more tonnage carrying capabilities---.

The JH7A outflies the opposition in flight miles and load carrying---. And just because it was built in the 80's---and we have new shiny machines in the market now---does not mean the utility of the aircraft has diminished.

An important example need to be taken out from the USAF handbook of re-furbished aircraft.

With the onset of standoff weapons and data link---and the modernization of the B52's to 21st century specs---these old monster with upgrades give a new life to these old behemoths and with the massive fire power that they display---their utility does not diminish just like that.

It is the best value for the bang in the market at this time.

 

[salman-1]

Thanks for info, I read in some articals and forums that it's a F-4 phantom type chinese attempted copy aircraft. Engines provided by Roll Royce had no problem only acquiring it was a problem for many years due to tianaman square incident. A reverse engineered copy of engines was also a failed attempt. Project was delayed many years for non engine supply, but later cleared.

 

[aftab_s81]

I think instead of JH7, PAF should acquire a Chinese copy of Su-34, J11,16 whatever they call it. Why? Because commonality with other Chinese, Russian platforms with bring down production cost and availability of spare parts will be easier while serving the same purpose, BVR truck, fighter bomber. @MastanKhan

 

[aftab_s81]

BTW, how is J-10 suited for a low low, naval role?

 

[Incog_nito]

JF-17 is the best option for PAF...

 

[MastanKhan]

I think instead of JH7, PAF should acquire a Chinese copy of Su-34, J11,16 whatever they call it. Why? Because commonality with other Chinese, Russian platforms with bring down production cost and availability of spare parts will be easier while serving the same purpose, BVR truck, fighter bomber. @MastanKhan

Hi,

Sorry that I missed your tag---. SU34 is not available to pakistan---JH7B still has a better wing design for low flight---specially for naval strike missions---or for flying over the sea hitting land targets---.

Strike aircraft are different than air superiority aircraft---just remember---flying a bomber or a strike aircaft is a different frame of mind---you have to think operate train and act differently than a fighter pilot---.

On current strike missions---U S pilots prefer the 50 years old design A10 over the newer 5th gen F35---.

Just because it is comparatively older---does not mean an aircraft is obsolete---. Modern day EW suite---a potent fire control radar---smart weapons have done miracles for these old dogs---.

Plus---the JH7B is a proven and tested system---it has gone thru all the phases of integration o current weapons and can be integrated with modern newer weapons---.

So---tactically---for the price---it is the best choice and bang for the buck---.

Get J-16, get Su-34, get whatever heavy fighter you have access to. They all are much more capable in general. Unless PAF need a plane to fill the "cost effective standoff missile launching platform" role and that role only, there's no point buying JH-7.

Hi,

That is exactly the role the Paf needs it for---for over the water tsriking enemy's land installations----.

Just because they are new and shiny---does not mean they have all the advantages---. None of the newer aircraft you mentioned can match the wing design of the JH7B---or you may call it JH7A---. This aircraft is perfectly suitable for low flight missions over the sea for hitting enemy land targets---.

Plus Paf can get them for almost close to nothing. With its range and strike power---we can touch enemy's areas far deeper than anticipated---thus forcing the enemy to spread its assets thin.

 

[CriticalThought]

Hi,

Sorry that I missed your tag---. SU34 is not available to pakistan---JH7B still has a better wing design for low flight---specially for naval strike missions---or for flying over the sea hitting land targets---.

Strike aircraft are different than air superiority aircraft---just remember---flying a bomber or a strike aircaft is a different frame of mind---you have to think operate train and act differently than a fighter pilot---.

On current strike missions---U S pilots prefer the 50 years old design A10 over the newer 5th gen F35---.

Just because it is comparatively older---does not mean an aircraft is obsolete---. Modern day EW suite---a potent fire control radar---smart weapons have done miracles for these old dogs---.

Plus---the JH7B is a proven and tested system---it has gone thru all the phases of integration o current weapons and can be integrated with modern newer weapons---.

So---tactically---for the price---it is the best choice and bang for the buck---.



Hi,

That is exactly the role the Paf needs it for---for over the water tsriking enemy's land installations----.

Just because they are new and shiny---does not mean they have all the advantages---. None of the newer aircraft you mentioned can match the wing design of the JH7B---or you may call it JH7A---. This aircraft is perfectly suitable for low flight missions over the sea for hitting enemy land targets---.

Plus Paf can get them for almost close to nothing. With its range and strike power---we can touch enemy's areas far deeper than anticipated---thus forcing the enemy to spread its assets thin.

While the core idea has merit, the JH7A has approx. the same combat radius as JF-17 Thunder:

Combat radius: 1,760 km (950 nm, 1,100 mi

with one in-flight refueling, (estimate), 900 km without refueling (estimate))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7

In war time, India's Western waters will be abuzz with naval activity and there will be enough SAM coverage from ships to make direct attack along the Western shores a challenge.

 

[Super Falcon]

I agree with mastan khan love for light weight limted capable aircraft is never going to end army and naval person should have a say in choosing new jet

SU 35 can be a bigger option

 

[ziaulislam]

FGFA has been rejected point blank by india

the tejas is in production as you can see

whats the planning regarding FGFA

problem is trust, HAL has been talking for years that its can do this but something happens
ultimately if i am not wrong the order is only for 40 with tentative order of 100.
not enough, time line is also an issue
further blocks will be an issue, as HAL jumped to second block without feed back from IAF