JF-17 DACT Exercises

[MastanKhan]

So that means Su 30 is going to be hell for jf17 ?

Hi,

Off course---what did you expect---.

Did you think that a sparrow hawk could take out the eagle of the skies.

 

[alimobin memon]

Hi,

Off course---what did you expect---.

Did you think that a sparrow hawk could take out the eagle of the skies.

Wasn't there somewhere stated that jf17 fared well against j11 what was that all about? so the engagement results are mixed not always in favor of j11 ? Now I am having doubts about F16 vs jf17 too.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Wasn't there somewhere stated that jf17 fared well against j11 what was that all about? so the engagement results are mixed not always in favor of j11 ?

J-11/Su-30 are way ahead in almost every field as compare to JF-17, why you surprise

mixed not always in favor of j11 ?

Its called tactics/ pilot training

 

[Tempest II]

Didn't the PLAAF Flankers beat the Thai Gripens in dogfight? I know there was more talk of the BVR DACT when the Gripen won but if I remember correctly, for WVR the Flankers won. ???

 

[CriticalThought]

Shaheen VI" a J - 11b "beat" two JF-17 in a dogfight 1 vs 2.

This is an extremely misinformative comment. You are withholding key information here: The J-11B beat two Thunders after several rounds. This shows issues related to pilot fatigue after many engagements rather than any inferiority of Thunder. You, as a title holder, should know better.

 

[Tempest II]

This is an extremely misinformative comment. You are withholding key information here: The J-11B beat two Thunders after several rounds. This shows issues related to pilot fatigue after many engagements rather than any inferiority of Thunder. You, as a title holder, should know better.

Thanks for the comment. I am sure there are many factors and facts missing. I copied and pasted as this is the right thread and exactly for the discussion you are bringing into play.

However we have nothing to say the JF-17 pilots were more tired than the J-11 guys. All things being equal, I expected the J-11 to tire before the 2 JF-17s.

Personally I still expected the J-11 to be superior even by design so the result is not as unexpected.

 

[CriticalThought]

Thanks for the comment. I am sure there are many factors and facts missing. I copied and pasted as this is the right thread and exactly for the discussion you are bringing into play.

However we have nothing to say the JF-17 pilots were more tired than the J-11 guys. All things being equal, I expected the J-11 to tire before the 2 JF-17s.

Personally I still expected the J-11 to be superior even by design so the result is not as unexpected.

Two points. First, we need to make sure the facts are correct. The fact being that 1 J-11 beat 2 Thunders after several rounds of combat. It would be most kind of you if you could update your comment to reflect this.

Next, we should not let personal biases come in the way of analyzing facts. You may think that J-11B is better designed, but unless you can present solid evidence, it is only an opinion.

For the record, I believe that Thunder is better designed for the following reasons:

1. Smaller size leads to reduced RCS.

2. Smaller size means that for the same speed and same maneuver, the Thunder pilot experience lower Gs than Flanker.

3. In Thunder, Russian inputs have been used to reduce heat and noise signatures.

4. The AEWAC + Thunder combination improves the stealthy aspect.

 

[Tempest II]

Two points. First, we need to make sure the facts are correct. The fact being that 1 J-11 beat 2 Thunders after several rounds of combat. It would be most kind of you if you could update your comment to reflect this.

Next, we should not let personal biases come in the way of analyzing facts. You may think that J-11B is better designed, but unless you can present solid evidence, it is only an opinion.

For the record, I believe that Thunder is better designed for the following reasons:

1. Smaller size leads to reduced RCS.

2. Smaller size means that for the same speed and same maneuver, the Thunder pilot experience lower Gs than Flanker.

3. In Thunder, Russian inputs have been used to reduce heat and noise signatures.

4. The AEWAC + Thunder combination improves the stealthy aspect.

Added a bit more to the post. Please see if you can add the details of what it took the J-11 to win and whatever else you can find

 

[Tempest II]

Further to why, by design, the FC-1 will not match the Flankers here from
The Chinese Air Force: Evolving Concepts, Roles, and Capabilities, By Center for the Study of Chinese Military Affairs

 

[CriticalThought]

Further to why, by design, the FC-1 will not match the Flankers here from
The Chinese Air Force: Evolving Concepts, Roles, and Capabilities, By Center for the Study of Chinese Military Affairs
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Irrelevant. If J-11 is comparable to F-15, it doesn't mean Thunder can't go up against it. Its a non-argument.

 

[nang2]

So that means Su 30 is going to be hell for jf17 ?

Su 30 is a multi-role aircraft while J11, derived from Su 27, is dedicated for air supremacy.

 

[Tempest II]

Irrelevant. If J-11 is comparable to F-15, it doesn't mean Thunder can't go up against it. Its a non-argument.

The design of the plane is irrelevant to it performance? I am amazed. You are wonderful.

Of course it can fight every plane that comes against, just with different probably that it will get defeated by some than by others, as it seems happened in this exercise. Also note that probably is not the actual result, just that there will be less chance and instances of the winning.

Even if we assume the JF-17 to perform like an F-16, note below the Flanker will dominate the entire flight envilope.

 

[alimobin memon]

J-11/Su-30 are way ahead in almost every field as compare to JF-17, why you surprise

Its called tactics/ pilot training

not way ahead specially su30 with bars radar. In BVR both have equal chance or atleast close to su30

 

[alimobin memon]

Two points. First, we need to make sure the facts are correct. The fact being that 1 J-11 beat 2 Thunders after several rounds of combat. It would be most kind of you if you could update your comment to reflect this.

Next, we should not let personal biases come in the way of analyzing facts. You may think that J-11B is better designed, but unless you can present solid evidence, it is only an opinion.

For the record, I believe that Thunder is better designed for the following reasons:

1. Smaller size leads to reduced RCS.

2. Smaller size means that for the same speed and same maneuver, the Thunder pilot experience lower Gs than Flanker.

3. In Thunder, Russian inputs have been used to reduce heat and noise signatures.

4. The AEWAC + Thunder combination improves the stealthy aspect.

What i know so far is that thunder is underestimated still. J11 is a huge rcs factored target. this j11 vs 2 jf17 and jf17 getting beaten seems misinformation as far as I know a single result is not published. usually it is confirmed after multiple rounds.

 

[I FLY HIGH]

This is an extremely misinformative comment. You are withholding key information here: The J-11B beat two Thunders after several rounds. This shows issues related to pilot fatigue after many engagements rather than any inferiority of Thunder. You, as a title holder, should know better.

why paf pilot faced fatigue and no the chinese pilot?