JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Corax]

Months ago, the Chief of Staff responded to the request for a report from the PRO legislator, Federico Frigerio, where it became clear that the fighter of Chinese origin exceeded the requirements set by the Argentine Air Force (FAA).

The Argentine Thunder proposed by CATIC is newly manufactured (0hs), it will have an excellent AESA radar, an In-Flight Refueling System compatible with that used by the FAA, modern weapons of all kinds (including medium-range air-to-air and anti-ship missiles), state-of-the-art data linking, smart helmet, single screen data presentation, and above all and most importantly, government-to-government Yuan funding.
The cards are already on the table and in a few days the FAA will inform which is the best of the candidates in the technical-operational plane.


So J-20 single long MFD is available for JF-17 and being given as an option export customers. It was PAF who didn't go for it in Block-3 and kept 3 MFD layout

The benefits of a single MFD are overstated in my view, especially in terms of redundancy, if a single screen fails, you're screwed. At least with multiple MFDs there is redundancy and the mission can continue.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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That must be the first picture of a JF17 Block III cockpit ( from a simulator ? ) - judging by the HUD ? ( or am i reading too much in to it - have their been others ?)

 

[Dazzler]

That must be the first picture of a JF17 Block III cockpit ( from a simulator ? ) - judging by the HUD ? ( or am i reading too much in to it - have their been others ?)

Blk 3 avionics test bench at PAC.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The benefits of a single MFD are overstated in my view, especially in terms of redundancy, if a single screen fails, you're screwed. At least with multiple MFDs there is redundancy and the mission can continue.

Given the wide adoption of these types of MFD's in 4.5gen and 5/6th gen - there must be some value in adopting them based on the pros and cons that make the adoption itself worthwhile with a military advantage that offsets the cons?

War is now digital and dependent on being able to consume large amounts data and being able to interact with that data - so information density for the pilot is an important consideration - more so than previously.

The avionics and MMI concepts in the software for the JF17 Block III may not be advanced enough or "changed enough" to make use of a large single MFD so it was probably not warranted for that reason ? Or maybe PAF want a simpler training programme and greater interoperatibility of pilots and decided that was more a more important consideration ?

Just look at the data correlation - data feeds and information density that the below(for the next upgrade of Typhoon for the RAF now) offers to the pilot and imaging having to try and view that data over multiple different different MFD's ? In fact - some of it is not possible on the older style 3 x MFDs.

All of the platforms that are adopting large MFDs all use the associated HMDS as the "backup" for the "get the pilot home" in the event of a failure - so it is not as if the pilot is left completely blind.

Avionics/electronics fail for sure - but they are so reliable now - especially the military grade equipment - that kind of failure is probably not much of a consideration now.

Good overview by a pilot on practical use cases and advantages for him :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540639499193139202

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[Trango Towers]

I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that

 

[ghazi52]

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[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Smart Heads Up Display (SHUD) installed on the JF-17C Block-III is one of its most distinct feature as its bright green reflections are visible from distance, thus easy to identify the new Thunder. The SHUD has 28 deg FOV which is compatible with HUD of most 4.5 Gen fighters.

 

[Trango Towers]

Anyone know when the 1st block 3 squadron will be active? What is the holdup ?

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

As per PAC, JF-17C Block-III will be equipped with Live Virtual Construct (LVC) training system. This will greatly enhance the pilot combat training by simulating large threat environment, thus ensuing near to actual combat scenario at extremely low cost.

 

[Princeps Senatus]

Anyone know when the 1st block 3 squadron will be active? What is the holdup ?

Last we heard they were undergoing testing related to weapon stores

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

With the LVC training system, JF-17 instructors will have the ability to create air and ground threats in the cockpit of JF-17 student pilots while they are in the air. This means that all Block-III pilots will be able to train in a combat-intensive environment on a daily basis.

 

[ghazi52]

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[CLUMSY]

Anyone know how many TRM modules are there on the KLJ7 AESA variant?