JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[UniverseWatcher]

Stealth tech is not some kinda invisible tech anymore ...
enjoy ..good piece of info
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...17-was-shot-down-heres-how-it-went-down-37762

Stealth Shootout: In 1999, a U.S. Air Force F-117 Was Shot Down. Here's How it Went Down.
The F-117 shootdown was an embarrassing, though fortunately non-fatal, episode for the U.S. Air Force. It has been endlessly cited since as ‘proof’ that supposedly radar-invisible stealth planes could ‘easily’ be shot down by even dated Soviet-era SAM systems.

i was referring more to the "adaption" of the latest tech....

 

[HAIDER]

i was referring more to the "adaption" of the latest tech....

Pakistan already working on its own program. No rush. Indian still flying Mig 21. As far as Rafale issue, it will take years to adopt that plane and they have good record of self-destruction.

 

[LKJ86]

TVC engines generally has less life. TVC applies unnecessary stress on the frame decreasing its life.
@LKJ86 Is TVC engine just for testing or it will applied to more J10s???

WS-15 and WS-19 all are TVC engines.
I think you would understand what I mean.

 

[denel]

TVC is garbage , gas guzzler . Only good for acrobat. Hardly any AF has adopted this tech. Even Russian develop this tech in 80s. May be good for ground attack , but not good for air combat, when anti air missile chasing the plane over the speed of 2 mach.... non pilot would make a mistake to reduce the speed of plane and take steep turn and increase the thrust ....

Disagree with you; you can review the performance of Harriers vs Neshers; the kill rate speaks volume. in WVR they provide a significant edge in getting a clear firing solution at a much shorter envelope. This pushed Soviets to take notice given their yak could not provide rival to harriers; so TVC was 2nd best

 

[HAIDER]

Disagree with you; you can review the performance of Harriers vs Neshers; the kill rate speaks volume. in WVR they provide a significant edge in getting a clear firing solution at a much shorter envelope. This pushed Soviets to take notice given their yak could not provide rival to harriers; so TVC was 2nd best

Thrust vectoring and vertical take off and landing two different scenario.

 

[denel]

Thrust vectoring and vertical take off and landing two different scenario.

yes they are but you did not follow what i was getting at; I wish i can draw on the board. In Harrier, VIFFing brought a distinct advantage against Neshers; that is what TVC attempts to replicate and very well too.

 

[messiach]

Is it investment at AVIC 1, AVIC 11, CATIG or AVIC intl. What is it?

But 1980s is the really hard time to PLA and China military industry.

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[LKJ86]

Is it investment at AVIC 1, AVIC 11, CATIG or AVIC intl. What is it?

I don't understand what you mean.

 

[messiach]

the defence spending 1978-2019 , is it related to AVIC, AVIC intl, CATIG etc.

I don't understand what you mean.

 

[AlyxMS]

then why PLAAF added TVC to J10C...for acrobats?

TVC was installed on a single J-10B as a prototype/proof of concept, all J-10C in service does not use TVC nozzles.

 

[LKJ86]

the defence spending 1978-2019 , is it related to AVIC, AVIC intl, CATIG etc.

1. I was talking about PLA and China military industry in 1980s or 1990s.

2. Most of military orders of AVIC and etc come from PLA, so the defense spending of China is related to them for sure.

3. AVIC and etc are not just military enterprises, and also have products for civil markets, similar to Boeing and Airbus. In 1980s and even 1990s, due to the lack of orders from PLA, they had to focus on civilian products in order to survive, and many production lines for weapons were given up.

 

[messiach]

You may be right. I have the yearbooks from 1994-2005. Prior to 1994, i dont have the year books but i know indirectly their yearbooks showed profit annually.

2. Most of military orders of AVIC and etc come from PLA, so the defense spending of China is related to them for sure.

 

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[Deino]

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And why was this posted in the Block 3 News thread?

 

[khanasifm]

And why was this posted in the Block 3 News thread?

Because I wanted to .. [emoji1]

Idea of weapons package not all listed here are block 2 but also block 3 weapons to be integrated

Second point max weight increase and external load increase is not just for block 3 but across all blocks