JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Deino]

Not sure about PL-15.
For AESA I think pretty possible though if you consider air-cooled LKF601E, which is a in place exchange and they have already tested it with JF-17.
IF PAF want.
But I can't think of any reason they need to rush into anything suddenly.

My NO was more related to the timeframe of "within 2 Months?"

 

[ARMalik]

Wait for 2 years more...

By end 2021, you will see around 20 to 24 Block-3 in PAF.

 

[Syntage]

The reason frankly is you have no forward looking independent R&D or think tanks. Just look at K8 or even M3/5 saga... completely lack of foresight across the board. That is why in a prior post until you have a divorce and removal of dodo brains from all institutions and put technical R&D engineers who appreciate the way forward and are thinking out of the box.

They should get the best among available tech n assemble it.Radar, Missile (PL 15), avionics, FBW, Engine, ECM, ECCM & other sensors, all these are available so why wait till the deadline which is end 2021?Do they think India is going to wait till we are done & then start any adventure?

Nobody in the world is giving you any tech superior to what we currently have at table so why in the hell are we waiting for?
This is nonsense.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

It will take atleast another eight months for the Indians, if not more, to fully integrate and make operational Rafael in their squadrons and war fighting tactical planning. The higher the technology leap, the longer it takes to integrate the platform onto an operational status.

 

[ziaulislam]

I think some out of the box ideas of utilizing existing space is going to be the real and viable way forward for JF-17 upgrades. There wont be any major redesign or increasing the size type to exercises with the jet at all and definitely no new engines or thrust vectoring etc.

One thing I would like to see in a Block 4 or even later retrofits in existing blocks 1/2/3s is the EW/EECM capabilities enhanced further. There are already many ideas of using under wing weapon pylons to serve with a dual functionality such as https://www.terma.com/media/105019/two-pager_defense_air_pylon-based_ew_solutions.pdf

Similarly, towed decoys can also be used with pylons and it would mean less tinkering with the tail or its associated brake chute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/ALE-50_towed_decoy_system

With ECM and EW gear, the cooling requirements are going to be a challenge but I don't believe that part is insurmountable.

For the IRST, using a podded system is not only easier, it will also be much faster in fulfilling the requirement, if there is one. Since IRST is primarily a passive A-A detection instrument, hanging it in a podded fashion under a chin intake is not a good idea. That means while the jets with A-G missions might use the Turkish LDP, fighters providing top cover could use the same station for an IRST system.

No need to try and shoe box in a compact solution in an already small air frame that might never get developed or funded.

Yes...but where are the hard points...
After 2 fuel hard points and 2 bvr & 2wvr and 1 standard self protection pod?

Either it has to free the fuel points via CFTs or add more hard points. Dual racks might work but 2 bvrs are still pretty low number seeing most fighters will carry 6+

 

[Enigma SIG]

Rafale is coming within 1 month, where is JF-17 bk03.

It will take a while to get operational. It will take longer to bring sortie rates down to an acceptable number.

 

[graphican]

There is a rumour that Pakistan is getting additional jets from a friend to fill the interim gap until JF-17III get ready. Seems plausible to me.

 

[HRK]

There is a rumour that Pakistan is getting additional jets from a friend to fill the interim gap until JF-17III get ready. Seems plausible to me.

Good thing about rumors is that some might might become true
BUT
Bad thing about the rumors is that most of the rumors remain as false hope & propaganda​

 

[Aasimkhan]

Friend, it is because they were not allowed to make any progress or even try. Look at Turkey... casing point where are they now without any involvement with their brass officials... decades ahead. Because you do not have dodo brains running the show.

I disagree with your opinion completely; you are part of the problem by giving them the elevation. Instead you need to look as to why it is in that state as a nation.

Well its a long running question of the Egg & Hen. What works for me may not work for you. Its a matter of record that Pakistan has progressed more under Martial Laws rather than civilian governments. Our politicians are very very corrupt. Army, though not ideal, is still better. I wish we had honest politicians like West but alas we dont.

I don't know whats wrong with our people.They alway waited for India to take edge and then they wake up from deep sleep & start thinking what to do.JF 17 is a success story but no.They want to keep working on their usual pace no matter what threat we are faced with.

You think they are sleeping on it ? Come on, I am sure they are doing it at fastest pace possible. Meanwhile they also have many surprises for the enemy which cannot be disclosed before the balloon goes up.

 

[denel]

Well its a long running question of the Egg & Hen. What works for me may not work for you. Its a matter of record that Pakistan has progressed more under Martial Laws rather than civilian governments. Our politicians are very very corrupt. Army, though not ideal, is still better. I wish we had honest politicians like West but alas we dont.


You think they are sleeping on it ? Come on, I am sure they are doing it at fastest pace possible. Meanwhile they also have many surprises for the enemy which cannot be disclosed before the balloon goes up.

Sorry I completely have opposite view. If this was the case, you are trying to put a pharonic kind of rule on society. It is a complete failure not a sign of pride that you have too look at these dodo brains for glorification.

Politicians are corrupt because people put them there. Improve the education, literacy and economic well being and you will see better people come to leadership; the issue you see is a sign of general malaise. That can take generations to resolve.

 

[araz]

I see your points.
It's possible in theory.

I doubt PAF and CAC would allocate resources for it though. If you consider the timeline you mentioned almost completely overlaps with project AZM.
I even suspect there are already considerable portion of resources(especially top engineers) moved to AZM which explains whey BLK 3 is not moving as fast as many people predicted.

I will only respond to your statement regarding block 3. I think there is no delay. This was already planned and we were only going to have 2 prototypes by end of the year or eaely next year. It may have to do with all the hardware that has gone Into JFT and the testing for it. I think JFT is on time and as planned
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[denel]

They should get the best among available tech n assemble it.Radar, Missile (PL 15), avionics, FBW, Engine, ECM, ECCM & other sensors, all these are available so why wait till the deadline which is end 2021?Do they think India is going to wait till we are done & then start any adventure?

Nobody in the world is giving you any tech superior to what we currently have at table so why in the hell are we waiting for?
This is nonsense.

Forget technology; you need a completely independent base and industrial might and thinking force with strong academic and engineering levels. First get metallurgy working. You cannot do quantum leaps with straws for infrastructure.

 

[PeacefulWar]

I will only respond to your statement regarding block 3. I think there is no delay. This was already planned and we were only going to have 2 prototypes by end of the year or eaely next year. It may have to do with all the hardware that has gone Into JFT and the testing for it. I think JFT is on time and as planned
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I didn't mean it's delayed.
I meant it probably planned it in slower pace(relatively, compare to previous blocks) on purpose because they want to put some resources on project AZM.
What is the possibility in your opinion?

 

[Mrc]

There is a rumour that Pakistan is getting additional jets from a friend to fill the interim gap until JF-17III get ready. Seems plausible to me.

No need additional block 3s can be made in Chinese fascility in changdu in addition to 2 that shud b constructed by PAC this year

 

[Tameem]

Wait for 2 years more...

May be 4, If Rafale deliveries postpone to 2024.
I think, PAF hell bent of showcasing Block-3 only after Rafale shows up in Indian Inventories first.
What we say Nerve games, to be on top of shock and awe remains for Indians.