JCPOA: Khamenei Was Right

[timmy_area51]

Giuliani indicates Trump will nix Iran nuclear deal

 

[zartosht]

So what to do now?

continue beating them at the long game.

the US is losing its position as the world hegemon. Their biggest threat comes from china. hence Obama's long term "pivot to asia" strategy. This strategy involved making long term peace with iran. IT really isn't in the US interest to be bogged down in the middle east, fighting iran on behalf of the Zionists and wahabis.

it simply is not in the US' long term interest. This only gives china a freerer hand to dominate its region.

iran today is a country of 80 million~. Obama cited this numerous times saying it wasn't in Americas interest to get in to a conflict with a 80 million country~. now imagine an iran with 150 million people and 2-3 trillion economy.

with china rapidly overtaking the US. something like that might be enough to change the calculations of even the most deluded neocon. The US simply would have no choice but to accept Iran and its influence.

The biggest strategic mistake of the history of the Islamic republic was the deluded strategy of birth control. It came from a backward ideology that since we have this treasure called oil. The less people there are, the more oil for the rest of us to enjoy.

instead of recognizing that oil is an extra bonus we should use wisely to build up other industries and grow. Khamenei even admitted to this I believe when he said something along the lines of "its a historic mistake we hope history forgives us for"

they fell for western propaganda. and once your birth rate decreases, its EXTREMELY hard to get it back up. Arabs are breeding like rabbits. imagine the strategic nightmire of one day the Saudi population alone passing irans??

Iran just has to prevent internal collapse, and grow. trump may very well be a fart in the air in the grand scheme of things.

 

[TheImmortal]

continue beating them at the long game.

the US is losing its position as the world hegemon. Their biggest threat comes from china. hence Obama's long term "pivot to asia" strategy. This strategy involved making long term peace with iran. IT really isn't in the US interest to be bogged down in the middle east, fighting iran on behalf of the Zionists and wahabis.

it simply is not in the US' long term interest. This only gives china a freerer hand to dominate its region.

iran today is a country of 80 million~. Obama cited this numerous times saying it wasn't in Americas interest to get in to a conflict with a 80 million country~. now imagine an iran with 150 million people and 2-3 trillion economy.

with china rapidly overtaking the US. something like that might be enough to change the calculations of even the most deluded neocon. The US simply would have no choice but to accept Iran and its influence.

The biggest strategic mistake of the history of the Islamic republic was the deluded strategy of birth control. It came from a backward ideology that since we have this treasure called oil. The less people there are, the more oil for the rest of us to enjoy.

instead of recognizing that oil is an extra bonus we should use wisely to build up other industries and grow. Khamenei even admitted to this I believe when he said something along the lines of "its a historic mistake we hope history forgives us for"

they fell for western propaganda. and once your birth rate decreases, its EXTREMELY hard to get it back up. Arabs are breeding like rabbits. imagine the strategic nightmire of one day the Saudi population alone passing irans??

Iran just has to prevent internal collapse, and grow. trump may very well be a fart in the air in the grand scheme of things.

Wrong.

The West has been in the Middle East since the dawn of time(Crusades) and will be in the Middle East for the foreseeable future.

Iran is the perfect boogie man for the US, it allows the US to sell Arab puppet countries billions in arms.

The pivot to china was going to happen irregardless. The US can handle both theaters at the same time, as the Chinese theater turning hot is not very likely.

The US is still undisputed superpower and China is not going to change that anytime soon.

The deep state allowed Obama to approach Iran with a POTENTIAL for normalization or it could have all been a ploy to bait Iran into a deal that the West had every intention of pulling out of.

The deep state will not allow Iran to be left alone. Iran threatens their puppet regimes of Egypt, UAE, Jordan, and Bahrain and most importantly it’s all important ally Israel. Iran taking control of these countries would be an immense blow.

Thus whatever the US might say, it will not leave Iran to take over the Middle East. It is barely willing to allow Russia to have a foothold in the Middle East, what makes you think they will allow Iran to have near total control?

 

[airmarshal]

Americans are deceitful. They are hypocrites.

I m quoting a hadees here And nothing can be more authentic.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The signs of a hypocrite are three, even if he fasts and prays and claims to be a Muslim: when he speaks he lies, when he gives a promise he breaks it, and when he is trusted he is treacherous.”

America falls in all three categories.

I think Ali Khamanei is turning out be most wise Islamic leader. The other side of Islamic leaders are just American touts competing among themselves to prove to America which country is a better slave.

Iran must be watchful. It should see what happened to Gaddafi. He gave up nuclear program in return for lifting of sanctions. He was greeted and feted in European capitals but once he lost the weapons program, Libya was assaulted and decimated.

 

[SubWater]

Iran has hot summer without doubt but situation can change by time in the favor of Iran in next months.
Iran just need to resist and mange economical deterrence.
Iran must shape strategy to have ability to harm USA economically to create balance of horror.

 

[Kastor]

Iran has hot summer without doubt but situation can change by time in the favor of Iran in next months.
Iran just need to resist and mange economical deterrence.
Iran must shape strategy to have ability to harm USA economically to create balance of horror.

Or at least make war and strife as expensive to the west as possible..oil is key. If you know how to play that card.
Here is a good article that came out today

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/talking-tough-about-iran-36878006.html

 

[Dinky]

Since we're reflecting on the past and waxing the future I want to add that 80% of our problems comes from our rather bankrupt behaviour towards America. Let me explain, the Death to America chants at Friday Prayer, the Khameni, Ahmadinejad, (also other hardliners) speeches, the old Iranian routine of you hurt us and now we will take our ball and go home attitude is the cause of all our pains and problems. The idea of clergy governing a country or court system or diplomatic relations is a joke. We need professional bureaucrats. Just like we need a professional soliders running the military or a banker running the centeral reserve. These guys need to read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" or Machevelli's "The Prince" to understand the playing field. Just imagine if they had grit their teeth and opened relationship with America, the same way the Chinsese are doing it or how Russia was doing it pre Putin. We could have a modern miltary, an expanding economy, an natural center of trade for Europe and Asia instead of UAE. We could have put down Saddam in 2 years with the help of the West. I'm not advocating we kiss their ring or become subservient like the Arabs, I'm simply suggesting to use them for all they'e worth. Unforutantley the empty reheotoric of defiance and the Iranian nature of "I'm breaking up with you" has caused us great harm.

In my opinion the bigger problem also lies with Iran's behavior with Israel. Iran is not a military threat towards US like Russia is, it is also not an economic threat like China Is. But Iran is a threat to Israel which is the United States closest friend and partner in the region. Iran's hardline policy against Israel, which is the most hardline in the entire Islamic world, far greater than that of even the Arabs themselves, has caused great grievances and problems for the nation of Iran. Iran should of left it to the Arabs to deal with the Israeli problem. it should of stayed non-aggressive like Pakistan and many other Islamic countries. Pakistan has nukes, but you don't hear Israel yelling about Pakistan all day do you. Im not saying Iran should of recognized Israel, but it should of not taken an aggressive stance. It stance should of been similar to that of Pakistan,Indonesia and other Islamic countries

 

[SubWater]

Or at least make war and strife as expensive to the west as possible..oil is key. If you know how to play that card.
Here is a good article that came out today

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/talking-tough-about-iran-36878006.html

I am not speaking about oil b/c oil can not create economical deterrence for Iran.
I read the article, they are repeating and repeating their mistakes.

 

[zartosht]

Wrong.

The West has been in the Middle East since the dawn of time(Crusades) and will be in the Middle East for the foreseeable future.

Iran is the perfect boogie man for the US, it allows the US to sell Arab puppet countries billions in arms.

The pivot to china was going to happen irregardless. The US can handle both theaters at the same time, as the Chinese theater turning hot is not very likely.

The US is still undisputed superpower and China is not going to change that anytime soon.

The deep state allowed Obama to approach Iran with a POTENTIAL for normalization or it could have all been a ploy to bait Iran into a deal that the West had every intention of pulling out of.

The deep state will not allow Iran to be left alone. Iran threatens their puppet regimes of Egypt, UAE, Jordan, and Bahrain and most importantly it’s all important ally Israel. Iran taking control of these countries would be an immense blow.

Thus whatever the US might say, it will not leave Iran to take over the Middle East. It is barely willing to allow Russia to have a foothold in the Middle East, what makes you think they will allow Iran to have near total control?

you are using the exact same colonial gods of the earth mentality they have. what they 'want' usually meets geopolitical realities that iran imposes on them. this is not a new policy for them. they have thrown everything they have had at iran and failed. and those were times when irans position was very weak.

when iran was fighting for its life it managed to create a Hezbollah in the 80s. That was responsible for directly giving the boot to not only the Zionists, but the americans and French as well (indirectly). and creating the most powerful guerrilla army on earth right on the Israeli border, and breaking the myth of the 'invincible' Israeli army. today their capabilities Is incomparable to even 2006. With precision guided missiles able to hit every corner of the tiny heavily populated Zionist entity. They tried everything they could to prevent this. and failed at every step.

They also didn't want iran to have any influence in Iraq. a country they spent trillions and immense amont of blood to subjugate. They failed miserably.

They tried to break irans economy with the most restrictive sanctions known... They failed and came to the negotiating table and eventually recognized irans nuclear program. Something that used to be their absolute red line.

hell they couldn't even topple assad. poor guy had lost half of Damascus in 2012~, his army was bleeding men from defections and demoralization, every single western/Zionist intelligence agency predicted his downfall in weeks/months. Erdogan even said "we will be praying in the ummayad mosque soon"

They failed miserably. I could go on and on...

The US will eventually come to its senses and see that throwing trillions of dollars into conflicts in this region is not in their interest. Obama knew this. hell even trump deeply campaigned on this. The American people are sick and tired of middle east conflict.

this is while china is directly challenging the US. I urge you to look up the the "pivot" to asia. or even look up the meaning of the word "pivot". it means a transfer of focus from Europe and the middle east into the all important asia theatre.

 

[hussain0216]

Iran is strong enough to take on the U.S/israel machinations

The weak link is irans own population, you can see the liberal types using pressure on iran as a basis for their own hysterics and the U.S will use the Iranian lackeys in the west to instigate clowns in iran to cause upheaval


If the iranian population understands that regardless of differences and possible desires for the future NOW is not the time for division and hysterics but UNITY in the face of adversity then iran will be fine

We must remember before missiles, bombs and anything else the U.S/Israel plan will center on Sanctions to increase economic pressure on iran so iranian population revolts and the US takes advantage of that


They consider the green revolution a missed opportunity because Obama was not interested in utilising it

They want ANOTHER green revolution but this time Trump and his goons will be waiting

 

[raptor22]

I understand the quasi-filial affection for your leader
but the facts have a context that relativizes your view :

Had Trump not won the presi-fancy, the accord would
have been respected.

_-_-_-_
​

I hope this "victory" doesn't affect Iran's best answer :

Respect integrally the pact with those signatory that
still want it ... [ drives a wedge between USA 'n others ]

Refrain from revenge calls and shift to calm pity at one
so quick to renege their word ... [ maxing image points ]

Refuse politely but firmly to renegotiate the present deal
but not refuse a further one past it with the idea that as
Iran was the offended in this case, a concession of some
sort is the logical starting point ... [ a concession to Iran ].

Great day Cthulhu & all, Tay.

We had a deal with the US not Obama administration.

 

[VEVAK]

continue beating them at the long game.

the US is losing its position as the world hegemon. Their biggest threat comes from china. hence Obama's long term "pivot to asia" strategy. This strategy involved making long term peace with iran. IT really isn't in the US interest to be bogged down in the middle east, fighting iran on behalf of the Zionists and wahabis.

it simply is not in the US' long term interest. This only gives china a freerer hand to dominate its region.

iran today is a country of 80 million~. Obama cited this numerous times saying it wasn't in Americas interest to get in to a conflict with a 80 million country~. now imagine an iran with 150 million people and 2-3 trillion economy.

with china rapidly overtaking the US. something like that might be enough to change the calculations of even the most deluded neocon. The US simply would have no choice but to accept Iran and its influence.

The biggest strategic mistake of the history of the Islamic republic was the deluded strategy of birth control. It came from a backward ideology that since we have this treasure called oil. The less people there are, the more oil for the rest of us to enjoy.

instead of recognizing that oil is an extra bonus we should use wisely to build up other industries and grow. Khamenei even admitted to this I believe when he said something along the lines of "its a historic mistake we hope history forgives us for"

they fell for western propaganda. and once your birth rate decreases, its EXTREMELY hard to get it back up. Arabs are breeding like rabbits. imagine the strategic nightmire of one day the Saudi population alone passing irans??

Iran just has to prevent internal collapse, and grow. trump may very well be a fart in the air in the grand scheme of things.

Low birth rates in Iran today is mainly due to an increase in literacy, education & Urban living in Iran on top of the Iranian governments social policies from gender segregation in high schools to the governments marriage policies that greatly effect birth rates in urban areas.

And social behaviors in Urban areas are quite different than rural areas and without a change in the governments social policies there will be no change in the countries birth rates especially since the UN predicts that within the next 10 years over 80% of Iran's population will be living in Urban areas!

 

[zartosht]

Low birth rates in Iran today is mainly due to an increase in literacy, education & Urban living in Iran on top of the Iranian governments social policies from gender segregation in high schools to the governments marriage policies that greatly effect birth rates in urban areas.

And social behaviors in Urban areas are quite different than rural areas and without a change in the governments social policies there will be no change in the countries birth rates especially since the UN predicts that within the next 10 years over 80% of Iran's population will be living in Urban areas!

peoples changing social economic situations definitely plays a role. But what you are ignoring was a unique (in the region) Iranian government program designed to specifically reduce birth rates. with the slogan of "think of future generations". Mandatory classes that propagated to couples the merits of not having too many children. readily available and even subsidized birth control operations, media campaigns.... etc..etc.. I remember this policy being almost universally lauded and encouraged by western propaganda factories.

have you ever seen them make an issue about india's runaway population growth? They only seem concerned about the birth rates of geopolitical enemies.

there is no denying this had a huge impact as well....

 

[VEVAK]

peoples changing social economic situations definitely plays a role. But what you are ignoring was a unique (in the region) Iranian government program designed to specifically reduce birth rates. with the slogan of "think of future generations". Mandatory classes that propagated to couples the merits of not having too many children. readily available and even subsidized birth control operations, media campaigns.... etc..etc.. I remember this policy being almost universally lauded and encouraged by western propaganda factories.

have you ever seen them make an issue about india's runaway population growth? They only seem concerned about the birth rates of geopolitical enemies.

there is no denying this had a huge impact as well....

Again it's a miss understanding of the situation! When the government was promoting birth control and low birth rate policies and adds was when birth rates were moderately higher than sustainable and that was mostly between 1980-2000 and the correct policy for that time was to try to reduce birth rates and it was a correct policy because children born between 1980-2000 will eventually grow old and they'll need education, Jobs and then retirement and it's absurd to think that having more people born during that time would have been anything but an increase burden and a strain on the government.

Today it's the generations born between 1980-2000 that should be having their own children and they are NOT and the reasons for that is a mass increase in Urban living + Increased literacy and education + Social government policies.

 

[TheImmortal]

It is Iran’s fault for not having the agreement ratified as a Treaty by US Congress.

If it couldn’t pass Congress and be ratified as a treaty then Iran should have known the deal was only as good as long as the next administration adhered to it. Which in geopolitical politics was a dumb move.