Javed Ghamidi on PM Imran Khan's Riasat-e-Madina claims

[baqai]

i don't care what he is or what ever, what he is saying is 100% correct, would truth be labelled as lie if a christian, a hindu, a sikh or a jew says it?

 

[Silverblaze]

Compared to takfiri/ khwarij ideology and their supporting sects, ghamdi is acceptable. One remembers how all takfiris were justifying slaughter of pak army troops during musharraf time one takfiri leader even called pakistani troops killed "Not shaheeds'.

This slogan of imran khan is a huge responsibiliity. He should just focus on governance.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Yeah i don't agree with his views on Islam, however, in this video, he's 100%right and has said nothing wrong.



So you want to say that people in western developed world are all angels and Pakistan is unique in that we have all the followers of Iblees gathered in Pakistan?

I know how dirty Westerners are, how cheaty Westerners are.

The only difference between developed and corrupt country is one thing. The justice system.

All the things you pointed out are found in abundance in America and in any western country.

The solution to all these problems is simple and effective. Bring justice.

That's it. Bring justice and all the evils in society will disappear.

I haven't even mentioned West or Western countries here, you bring it up not me .

 

[fisher1]

Well spotted

I have learned that he is a Qadyani

Is that true? Any proof/source?

I am not a fan of ghamidi either. But what he said in this video is spot on

 

[Syed1.]

Well spotted

I have learned that he is a Qadyani

Mods is labelling anyone a Qadyani without unsubstantiated proof allowed? This is a trait of these filthy mullahs. Whoever doesn't agree with them is a either labelled a Kafir or a Qadyani. @Dubious


I've said this before and say this again, these bloody mullahs are Allah's azaab on us and all of them need to be put on a monitoring list.

 

[fisher1]

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Nauzbillah

Di you hear yourself? How are Ulema an Azab of Allah

Nauzbillah

So the Kuffar and Mushrik and Liberals who can't even lead Imamat of a small masjid are a blessing? What nonsense

 

[krash]

Ghamdi started work with my father. My father is still one of his best friend but sorry he is deviant. If it's on him he would end at least 30 % of Islam. Most of his followers after staying with him either turn Atheists or realize what he is for and turn to following Islam as it is. In every 100 years these kind of guys arrive and than vanish in thin air.

What's your father's name? I should know him. I have known most of his close colleagues personally since I was a kid back in early 2000s. That said, I don't know a single person who turned atheist after 'staying with him'. Could you please give me a name or two? And also please provide some examples from the 30% of Islam that he wants to end.

Like I mentioned before, if rhetoric is all there is, as is the case with any religious debate in the Muslim world today, then please let me know. I don't like posting without end.

Ye woye banda hain nah jis ney music ko be halal keya howa hain

Really? Oh dear God!

Seriously though, there have been many well respected scholars throughout Islamic history who have successfully defended Music not being haram in Islam (If you start a thread I will post every single one of their arguments). You just don't care for it since it does not suit your obtuse view and preferences. Doesn't stop you from going to Na'at mehfils though, where a 'mullah' dressed in a woman's wedding gown and make up sings na'ats written by better men. I have no problem with that, just don't like the amount of echo they use.

Well spotted

I have learned that he is a Qadyani

Hahahaha. No he's not. He belongs to the Sunni school of thought. He supports the declaring of Qadyanis as non-Muslims. Just because he comes on TV and defends the rights of Qadyanis, as granted to them by Islam itself, and rightfully so, does not mean that he is a Qadyani. I actually expected better from you, bud.

Btw, where did you "learn" it from? Maybe you should watch OP's video again. Pretty ironic.

Mods is labelling anyone a Qadyani without unsubstantiated proof allowed? This is a trait of these filthy mullahs. Whoever doesn't agree with them is a either labelled a Kafir or a Qadyani. @Dubious


I've said this before and say this again, these bloody mullahs are Allah's azaab on us and all of them need to be put on a monitoring list.

Don't worry. Jinnah and Iqbal were Qadiyanis and Kuffar as well. Same old same old in Pakistan.

Nauzbillah

Di you hear yourself? How are Ulema an Azab of Allah

Nauzbillah

So the Kuffar and Mushrik and Liberals who can't even lead Imamat of a small masjid are a blessing? What nonsense

So are you saying that the Sahih Ahadith about false scholars are wrong?

 

[Wa Muhammada]

What's your father's name? I should know him. I have known most of his close colleagues personally since I was a kid back in early 2000s. That said, I don't know a single person who turned atheist after 'staying with him'. Could you please give me a name or two? And also please provide some examples from the 30% of Islam that he wants to end.

Like I mentioned before, if rhetoric is all there is, as is the case with any religious debate in the Muslim world today, then please let me know. I don't like posting without end.





Really? Oh dear God!

Seriously though, there have been many well respected scholars throughout Islamic history who have successfully defended Music not being haram in Islam (If you start a thread I will post every single one of their arguments). You just don't care for it since it does not suit your obtuse view and preferences. Doesn't stop you from going to Na'at mehfils though, where a 'mullah' dressed in a woman's wedding gown and make up sings na'ats written by better men. I have no problem with that, just don't like the amount of echo they use.



Hahahaha. No he's not. He belongs to the Sunni school of thought. He supports the declaring of Qadyanis as non-Muslims. Just because he comes on TV and defends the rights of Qadyanis, as granted to them by Islam itself, and rightfully so, does not mean that he is a Qadyani. I actually expected better from you, bud.

Btw, where did you "learn" it from? Maybe you should watch OP's video again. Pretty ironic.



Don't worry. Jinnah and Iqbal were Qadiyanis and Kuffar as well. Same old same old in Pakistan.



So are you saying that the Sahih Ahadith about false scholars are wrong?

I don’t know what exactly it is that you expect of me but I wouldn’t call Ghamdi a deviant and Qadyani, if I didn’t have my reasons. For those who believe him to be Sunni aqeeda should watch some of his videos.

I will not disclose my source but will only reveal that he is a scholar and a man of taqwa. May Allah ta’ala protect him from all fitna, increase his knowledge and inspire us to follow in his footsteps

 

[fisher1]

So are you saying that the Sahih Ahadith about false scholars are wrong?

Do you English, bro?

That extremist Syed1 generalised all Mullahs and suggested all of them be put on monitoring lists.

I called him out on his ridiculous statement.

How the hell did you think that means i denied hadith?

 

[Zarvan]

What's your father's name? I should know him. I have known most of his close colleagues personally since I was a kid back in early 2000s. That said, I don't know a single person who turned atheist after 'staying with him'. Could you please give me a name or two? And also please provide some examples from the 30% of Islam that he wants to end.

Like I mentioned before, if rhetoric is all there is, as is the case with any religious debate in the Muslim world today, then please let me know. I don't like posting without end.





Really? Oh dear God!

Seriously though, there have been many well respected scholars throughout Islamic history who have successfully defended Music not being haram in Islam (If you start a thread I will post every single one of their arguments). You just don't care for it since it does not suit your obtuse view and preferences. Doesn't stop you from going to Na'at mehfils though, where a 'mullah' dressed in a woman's wedding gown and make up sings na'ats written by better men. I have no problem with that, just don't like the amount of echo they use.



Hahahaha. No he's not. He belongs to the Sunni school of thought. He supports the declaring of Qadyanis as non-Muslims. Just because he comes on TV and defends the rights of Qadyanis, as granted to them by Islam itself, and rightfully so, does not mean that he is a Qadyani. I actually expected better from you, bud.

Btw, where did you "learn" it from? Maybe you should watch OP's video again. Pretty ironic.



Don't worry. Jinnah and Iqbal were Qadiyanis and Kuffar as well. Same old same old in Pakistan.



So are you saying that the Sahih Ahadith about false scholars are wrong?

Dr Sajid Ali he used to teach Philosphy. Ghamdi and they were together in Government college

Dr Sajid Ali he used to teach Philosphy. Ghamdi and they were together in Government college

Music is Haram Janab. Don't try to make miserable excuses and I know stupid arguments given trying to defend music but they are Haram in every way. Also Janab Hazrat Umar RA used to lash those people who used to do romantic poetry. So Please and Music is not the only thing. If it was on Ghamdi he would at least take out 30 of Islam. And his next disciples will take out rest. Some of his former partners have become almost athiests and are now denying Salah and fasting also and please don't say Ghamdi has nothing to do with it. He has everything to do with it.

 

[krash]

Do you English, bro?

That extremist Syed1 generalised all Mullahs and suggested all of them be put on monitoring lists.

I called him out on his ridiculous statement.

How the hell did you think that means i denied hadith?

Pretty sure I English at least a heck ton more than you, bud. Anyway, the Ahadith clearly state that there will come a time when the "scholars" of Islam will be the furthest from religious knowledge and will lead the masses astray, the (dumb) masses won't even be able to tell. Just because you grow a beard and hang your shalwar above your ankles does not give you carte blanche over anything. You are more than welcome to call "mullahs" "ulema", but then you have no clue what it takes to be considered an Alim in Islam. We'd rather call it as we see it.

I don’t know what exactly it is that you expect of me

Better sense, that's all.

but I wouldn’t call Ghamdi a deviant and Qadyani, if I didn’t have my reasons.

You're going to sling mud without giving any proof? Do you know what is said about people who slander without proof? Or those who accuse someone of Kuffar? I don't understand how a man who has gone on record defending the declaration of Ahmadis as Non-Muslims still be accused of being an Ahmadi himself.

For those who believe him to be Sunni aqeeda should watch some of his videos.

By all means. Please give us a couple of examples. Would love to be proven wrong.

I will not disclose my source

Of course you won't.

but will only reveal that he is a scholar and a man of taqwa. May Allah ta’ala protect him from all fitna, increase his knowledge and inspire us to follow in his footsteps

That's a bit of a U-turn, brother.

Dr Sajid Ali he used to teach Philosphy. Ghamdi and they were together in Government college

Yeah, that's way before I was born.

Music is Haram Janab. Don't try to make miserable excuses and I know stupid arguments given trying to defend music but they are Haram in every way.

Open a thread Janab. Let's see what venerable scholars that you yourself believe in and follow say about it. Like I said, just statements are a waste of my time.

Also Janab Hazrat Umar RA used to lash those people who used to do romantic poetry.

That was done for the fahash elements in the poetry. Please refrain from being the exact problem that Islam faces today.

ps: Would love to hear your answers on the instances when the Prophet (S.A.W) asked Hazrat Ayesha (A.S) to send singers and musicians with a wedding party. Or say when he stopped Hazrat AbuBakr (R.A) from stopping the women at an event from playing music.

So Please and Music is not the only thing. If it was on Ghamdi he would at least take out 30 of Islam. And his next disciples will take out rest.

Yeah you keep throwing that statement around but then refuse to back it up when asked to. At least show me the formula with which you came up to that nice round figure of 30%.

Some of his former partners have become almost athiests and are now denying Salah and fasting also and please don't say Ghamdi has nothing to do with it. He has everything to do with it.

Like I said, provide names. Should be pretty simple given the hordes that Ghamdi has turned atheist.


To the rest of the readers:

Please stay away from these pseudo-thekedars of Islam who have only empty statements and zero knowledge of the Deen. Please curb your built-in desire to believe in every spicy thing you hear, like typical Pakistanis. Doubt, question and research everything yourself. Ghamdi, Dr. Israr, Maliki, Tirmidhi, all of them. Especially those who only present statements and no arguments.