Japan's stealth jet prototype 'to fly this year'

[he-man]

@Aeronaut Thread needs attention...

Chinese members please understand this ata wolf is a troll ignore coming into contact with him and report him immediately.

At topic, ATD-X3 is a mix of F-15/F-22 and at the end of its development it would have half of US inputs technologies, this is going to happen ATD-X3 production might not exceed 4-6 squadrons US is again going to restrict exports as it has done in 80s.

They may get the engines from usa if they cannot make those on time but the rest can be easily developed by them.
We are talking about japan here

 

[BoQ77]

They may get the engines from usa if they cannot make those on time but the rest can be easily developed by them.
We are talking about japan here

As I heard, for 2 prototypes, Japanese buy engines from GE ...
for mass production, they produce domestically ...

Chinese cannot argue that their engine better than Germany, USA, Japan, Russia ...

 

[he-man]

As I heard, for 2 prototypes, Japanese buy engines from GE ...
for mass production, they produce domestically ...

Chinese cannot argue that their engine better than Germany, USA, Japan, Russia ...

For the time being yes.

 

[Luftwaffe]

As I heard, for 2 prototypes, Japanese buy engines from GE ...
for mass production, they produce domestically ...

Chinese cannot argue that their engine better than Germany, USA, Japan, Russia ...

Why are you bringing China into it? what is your point? stick to topic BoQ77.

@he-man, we'll see this is ultimately going to be another joint development of US-japan with major technologies coming from F-35 program landing into ATD-X3 just like F-2...exports would be banned but I doubt japan would get more than 5-6 squadrons replacing older F-15Js.

 

[he-man]

Why are you bringing China into it? what is your point? stick to topic BoQ77.

@he-man, we'll see this is ultimately going to be another joint development of US-japan with major technologies coming from F-35 program landing into ATD-X3 just like F-2...exports would be banned but I doubt japan would get more than 5-6 squadrons replacing older F-15Js.

It will feature fly by optics ,its reported in an article I read and they are trying to develop this turbofan

IHI Corporation XF5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But current status of turbofan is unknown.

On 5-6 squadrons,90-100 of such advanced fighters are more than enough for defence,not to forget they are getting f-35 too

 

[Reviewer21]

Japan's indigenous stealth jet prototype 'to fly this year'

Japan’s ATD-X is due to fly later in 2014, according to officials. Source: Kosuke Takahashi

Japanese Defence Minister Itsunori Onodera has reaffirmed the nation's plan for a 2014 first flight of the Advanced Technology Demonstrator-X (ATD-X) fighter: a prototype for a future fighter to replace the Japan Air Self-Defence Force's Mitsubishi F-2.

"In February I myself visited at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' (MHI's) Komaki Minami plant where the ATD-X is being built," Onodera told the Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee of the Upper House on 10 April. "There I was briefed that the first flight will take place this year."

The ATD-X, also known as Shinshin ('Heart of God'), is being developed by the ministry's Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI), with the main contractor of the project being MHI. It has been designed to be a stealthy air-superiority fighter with enhanced manoeuvrability. The Japanese Ministry of Defence (MoD) will use it to research advanced technologies and system integration, after which it plans to produce a 'sixth-generation' fighter encompassing i3 (informed, intelligent and instantaneous) concepts and counter-stealth capabilities.

"Originally MHI planned to roll-out the ATD-X before the media in May, soon after Japan's Golden Week holidays, followed by the first test fight," an official at TRDI toldIHS Jane's on 15 April. "Now it is several months behind schedule."

Onodera also said in the Diet that the MoD will decide by FY18 whether to build its future stealth fighter domestically or by international joint development, based on parameters such as technological achievements and cost effectiveness.

Japan's plans to develop an 'F-3' from the ADT-X could run into opposition from the United States, however, which has blocked Tokyo's attempts to develop an indigenous fighter in the past.

The 1980s FSX support fighter programme was blocked by Washington, which pressured Tokyo over concerns that the growth of the Japanese aviation industry could damage that of the United States. The pressure eventually led to the co-development of the F-2: a platform based on the Lockheed Martin F-16C.

Officials said that with China and Russia deploying the Chengdu J-20 and Sukhoi PAK-FA T-50 fifth-generation aircraft respectively, Japan's development of a fast stealth fighter is becoming vital to national air defence.

"We know that our 28 radar sites are effective at detecting third- and fourth-generation fighters from a long distance, but with the appearance of fifth-generation fighters we are unsure how they will perform," Lieutenant General Hideyuki Yoshioka, then director of Air Systems Development at the TRDI, told IHS Jane's in November 2011.

The MoD allocated JPY2.7 billion (USD26.5 million) for research on radar and fire control systems able to detect, track and respond to stealth aircraft in FY14.

Looks really stealthy and cool. Japanese are really masters in technology, had they continued to raise their defence sector rather than closing it. They would've been among the best by now. Anyways better late than never. Good Luck Japs!

 

[Reviewer21]

@he-man can you tell me what's the afterburner thrust of IHI XF5 and is this the engine which will be used in ATD-X or they'll use any other?

 

[he-man]

@he-man can you tell me what's the afterburner thrust of IHI XF5 and is this the engine which will be used in ATD-X or they'll use any other?

There is some confusion there.

Its configuration is very similar to m88 engine of rafale so wet thrust could be in range of 75-80 kn

But this is complicating the matters by saying only 50 kn

IHI's XF5-1 engine good?

 

[Reviewer21]

There is some confusion there.

Its configuration is very similar to m88 engine of rafale so wet thrust could be in range of 75-80 kn

But this is complicating the matters by saying only 50 kn

IHI's XF5-1 engine good?

So do you think it's good for the ATD-X? Actually i was comparing XF5 with Kaveri Engine. And i came to result that kaveri is better, am i right? actually i am noob but very interested in engines.

 

[he-man]

So do you think it's good for the ATD-X? Actually i was comparing XF5 with Kaveri Engine. And i came to result that kaveri is better, am i right? actually i am noob but very interested in engines.

Both are prototypes but kaveri has even been tested on il-76 in russia.
It worked but t/w ratio is very low and there are various other problems.most probably it will never enter production.

As for xf-5,no one knows its status

 

[Reviewer21]

IHI's XF5-1 engine good?

Yeah this is confusing someone is saying that the wet thrust is 49kN whereas wiki shows that dry thrust is 49kN

Both are prototypes but kaveri has even been tested on il-76 in russia.
It worked but t/w ratio is very low and there are various other problems.most probably it will never enter production.

As for xf-5,no one knows its status

Okay Thanks for that. BTW are you sure Kaveri will never be used? I heard it's good and might be used in AURA.

 

[KAL-EL]

design looks awesome .. I don't think US will allow them to make stealth fighter

Just a regular US citizen, but if it was up to me, I would gladly tell them to go full speed ahead with it.

 

[he-man]

Yeah this is confusing someone is saying that the wet thrust is 49kN whereas wiki shows that dry thrust is 49kN


Okay Thanks for that. BTW are you sure Kaveri will never be used? I heard it's good and might be used in AURA.

Even thats not 100 pc.
Lets hope it does gets used but its heavy right now.it needs to shed weight for that purpose

 

[Reviewer21]

Lets hope it does gets used but its heavy right now.it needs to shed weight for that purpose

Yeah let's hope it happens. Thanks again BTW

 

[KAL-EL]

Keyboard warriors nuking each other agains....

That's what it boils down to in many of these types of threads. A bunch of chest thumping hyper-nationalists with a video game mentality. Sad really...