Japanese furious at Chinese addressing of Okinawa as "Ryukyu Autonomous Reg

[zoochee]

Thanks Speeder 2. Yeah, I am new to this forum.

I guess because we can kind of glimpse the ideal system here in Canada to a very limited extend. The multi-party system still drains way too much energy while promoting shortsightedness. The health care system is highly inefficient, housing is affordable for middle class (Toronto real-estate price is about 1/3 of Shanghai), but the basic socialist welfare system is here complimented with a democratic system. However this is only possible because of the small population and next to nothing defense budget combined with very high tax rate (I guess similar to some northern European countries). Not sure how a system like this will work in a large country with a huge population like China or India. Even if China can eventually transform into a somewhat ideal system, I believe it will at least take them 50+ years to do so.

 

[ZhengHe]

No Indian claims that chinease wishes for "Indian" democracy or "american" democracy.
But every self respecting people(even arabs now) want it now, at least in its very basic form.
There is nothing to be ashamed to copy an western idea, if it is good for us, and considered best practice in almost all continents.
I did not understand PS2, what do you mean you are "dissidents" of people who ruled India for 10 generations.

A dissident, broadly defined, is a person who actively challenges an established doctrine, policy, or institution.

Whom did you challenge?

Are you one of those Indians who go on a pilgrimage to England to pay homage to former colonial masters? Not only did your former master introduce to you a method of governance which far exceeds any method India uses to govern its own country, but they also taught you their language, which is spoken by the entire country- basically India's national language.

I can tell you are not ashamed of your past and you will say "why should i be?" and I will say "that's right". Democracy was the greatest thing that ever happened to India.

Whatever China is doing now is working so it will stick with that for now, but maybe China will go democratic one day too, but not now, maybe later in the future.

 

[Roybot]

You guys do realize that modern democracy was pioneered by the Americans and not the Brits. Trolls are meant to be smart, you guys are giving them a bad name. And even if we go by your logic Communism isn't really a Chinese phenomena is it. So should we say you guys are slaves to Russians. Quite the messed up logic


And Indians here, stop preaching democracy to the world, if Chinese are happy with their form of governance who are are we to lecture them about democracy.

 

[ZhengHe]

You guys do realize that modern democracy was pioneered by the Americans and not the Brits. Trolls are meant to be smart, you guys are giving them a bad name.

Do you know what Americans are?

 

[jayron]

Are you one of those Indians who go on a pilgrimage to England to pay homage to former colonial masters? Not only did your former master introduce to you a method of governance which far exceeds any method India uses to govern its own country, but they also taught you their language, which is spoken by the entire country- basically India's national language.

I can tell you are not ashamed of your past and you will say "why should i be?" and I will say "that's right". Democracy was the greatest thing that ever happened to India.

Whatever China is doing now is working so it will stick with that for now, but maybe China will go democratic one day too, but not now, maybe later in the future.

Why would you think communism is a Chinese invention?

 

[ZhengHe]

Why would you think communism is a Chinese invention?

I don't.

But Chinese style of governance is so different from what Communism is that it's not even correct to label it that.

 

[pluto]

Peanut japan again. can you guys stop posting Japanese stuff here?

btw, "If there is democracy, it must be a full one. Why did they jail Mr. Assange? Is that democracy?" Putin said at a news conference Thursday
my indian friends, non-democratic Soviet Union seemed to be your friends, how come?

every time there's a thread, i would hear of democracy thing.
1. as Putin said,there's no full democracy
2. India chose democracy as first thing (this may impact dev speed nagatively in some cases)
3. China chose dev speed as first thing (speed in wrong ways in some cases)
4. I have some Indian friends who were complaining to me that there's still some hierarchy thing(linked to the family names, sorry i can't remember) in India, which they don't think is democracy
5. i love democracy, i think we all do including Chinese, Indian, and even some fully evolved japanese.

don't want to cover Chinese goverment, they did s.th wrong sometimes. like many other goverments.
see what/how chinese government did in evacuation from Libya? they did s.th right some times. no offending, but all the other developing countries are not that efficient.
i think chinese administrations are learning, trying to be better. my perception is that their short-term goal is to be a big Singapore. is there anybody here dare to say that Singapore is a democratic country?

let history tell?

P.S. please don't ruin my appetite by raising Japanese stuff when i arrived in office in the morning, want to eat some snacks. haha. thanks.

 

[jayron]

I don't.

But Chinese style of governance is so different from what Communism is that it's not even correct to label it that.

Similarly, Indian system has been modified for our use. Do you really think the Chinese culture and religion have not been affected, influenced by external source? Think again.

 

[Roybot]

Do you know what Americans are?

Americans aren't Brits, they chased them away from America in a war. Its like saying Koreans are Chinese.

I don't.

But Chinese style of governance is so different from what Communism is that it's not even correct to label it that.

Indian democracy is quite unique too, just so you know. Now discuss the topic at hand

 

[ZhengHe]

Similarly, Indian system has been modified for our use. Do you really think the Chinese culture and religion have not been affected, influenced by external source? Think again.

China has even been invaded too, but even the invaders adapted into Chinese culture while their own culture faded away in history. Buddhism was from India and became China's national religion at one point but comparing the two you would see how different they were; almost like two unique religions.

But can't say the same for India when it comes to their style of government.

I hope you understand now.

 

[ZhengHe]

Americans aren't Brits, they chased them away from America in a war. Its like saying Koreans are Chinese.

No.

It's like saying Taiwanese are Chinese. Oh wait.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

You can't remember? Hang on there, poor thing, foreign food aids on the way...

Ask the party to allow you to reproduce first idiot. Someone who doesn't even have the right to reproduce, you guys are in worse condition than animals in your country right?

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Perhaps "10 rupee 1 vote, 50 rupee for a dozen votes" comes funnier.

Naah, kill the next born, give away the other one for adoption is funnier...

 

[ZhengHe]

Ask the party to allow you to reproduce first idiot. Someone who doesn't even have the right to reproduce, you guys are in worse condition than animals in your country right?

China is the most populated country in the whole world. People are allowed to have 1 offspring. I think they can have more if they desire, but government benefits will not be available. You might be confused about the '1 child policy' thinking '0 child policy'.

Indians can have 10 offspring's but how will you feed them all?

 

[desioptimist]

Are you one of those Indians who go on a pilgrimage to England to pay homage to former colonial masters? Not only did your former master introduce to you a method of governance which far exceeds any method India uses to govern its own country, but they also taught you their language, which is spoken by the entire country- basically India's national language.

I can tell you are not ashamed of your past and you will say "why should i be?" and I will say "that's right". Democracy was the greatest thing that ever happened to India.

Whatever China is doing now is working so it will stick with that for now, but maybe China will go democratic one day too, but not now, maybe later in the future.

No, I did not come here to pay homage to our colonial masters. I am not sure whether you are being sarcastic or indeed believe that some Indian go to Britain to pay homage(there is a strong possibility that you belive what you say), but I will not take chance and put the record straight.

If you want to discuss anything about me, open a separate thread, I will consider it an honour.

Without any knowledge about you, or your background, or assuming anything about you from your flag, it wont be difficult for me to discuss what the person I replied mentioned, i.e. democracy in India being western concept. If you think it is something we should be ashamed of, I would say no. Also, I would repeat what I pointed out in the earlier post, even arabs seems to need some sort of basic political rights (some basic form of democracy)

Rest about English language, it serves our purpose. If the whole world spoke french, and English would not have been of any advantage to us, still I would have cherished it. We cannot change the past, no matter how bad it was for us, but any part of it enriches our current life, then I will keep it.

I wish you best of luck for whatever you want from china, whenever you want it.
I can only say, any time is right for such a change.