Japanese and Philippine Navies conduct maritime patrol in SCS

[Aepsilons]

They just like water and oil. Hard to cooperate with each other. I will surprise if China sell her 054A Frigate and Pinoy buy it.



That's what I can't say / promise. We are definitely interest with a 4000 tonnes light destroyer / frigate. She will boost our naval capability surely. the problem is our tight military spending budget. Plus, we just bought 3 shiny British Nahkoda Ragam Class Light Frigates and produce our own patrol ships (40 - 60 meter warship. We call them KCR40 and KCR60 - Kapal Cepat Rudal 40 - Fast Missile Boat 40 meters). Dunno if the Government still has extra money to spend and buy Hatakaze for our Navy. Well, I said shiny british ship means, shiny lol.

And I bet those shiny British Nahkoda Ragam Class cost a pretty penny, too. lol.

Seriously tho, for a nation the size of Indonesia, she should at least have a destroyer squadron. Tho I understand why she prefers OPVs, and frigates, considering the archipelagic reality and vast maritime domain she has to patrol / protect / cover. Terima Kasih.

Best of Luck to Indonesia and the Indonesian Navy.

 

[Cossack25A1]

They just like water and oil. Hard to cooperate with each other. I will surprise if China sell her 054A Frigate and Pinoy buy it.

I doubt that China would do it. Why would they sell a warship to a country that is at conflict with them.

 

[Brainsucker]

I doubt that China would do it. Why would they sell a warship to a country that is at conflict with them.

That's why I will surprise if it's ever happen

 

[Nike]

And I bet those shiny British Nahkoda Ragam Class cost a pretty penny, too. lol.

Seriously tho, for a nation the size of Indonesia, she should at least have a destroyer squadron. Tho I understand why she prefers OPVs, and frigates, considering the archipelagic reality and vast maritime domain she has to patrol / protect / cover. Terima Kasih.

Best of Luck to Indonesia and the Indonesian Navy.

We want it, but it will cost a pretty much money to procure them and not mentioning to financing their operational and maintenance will give us much burdens. So one of the gap measure we can afford is to procure an adequate number of frigate size ships meanwhile trying to re-positioning our strategic assets throughout the archipelago.


And don't know but i wish US can sell/give her Ticonderoga to become our future flagship, if only they wanna us to become one of their trusted ally in ASEAN because our higher ups had giving them letter of interest for one of those used ship.

 

[Aepsilons]

We want it, but it will cost a pretty much money to procure them and not mentioning to financing their operational and maintenance will give us much burdens. So one of the gap measure we can afford is to procure an adequate number of frigate size ships meanwhile trying to re-positioning our strategic assets throughout the archipelago.


And don't know but i wish US can sell/give her Ticonderoga to become our future flagship, if only they wanna us to become one of their trusted ally in ASEAN because our higher ups had giving them letter of interest for one of those used ship.

The United States of America should consider greater armes sales with Indonesia , given the strategic position Indonesia is in. The vast archipelago that is Indonesia (i think over 10, 000 islands are part of the Republic of Indonesia, right?) is the great northern neighbor of Australia (a major ally of the US). Indonesia is also a partner for peace with the Philippines (which is an American ally) , in 2013 -2014, the Indonesian and Philippine Governments had formally recognized each other's maritime boundaries.

As Indonesia rises as a major economic power in ASEAN, and in the wider Asia-Pacific, Indonesia must waken from its largely internal-oriented policy and take up a greater role in regional affairs. It is part of her responsibility as potential Great Power. And I think sale of either Arleigh Burke Class Guided Missile Destroyer should be considered as Indonesia and American become strategic partners. If United States wants to spearhead an image to work with the Muslim world, then partnership with Indonesia is a necessity. As the world's largest Muslim nation, and one that is a DEMOCRACY, unlike Saudi Arabia which is a restrictive Monarchy, it is Indonesia that is an inspiration to the world that being Muslim does not mean democracy is unattainable. Just because democracy is not seen in Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iraq, Iran, does not mean that Muslim-majority nations cannot have peaceful democracies. Indonesia is a shining example.

 

[Nike]

The United States of America should consider greater armes sales with Indonesia , given the strategic position Indonesia is in. The vast archipelago that is Indonesia (i think over 10, 000 islands are part of the Republic of Indonesia, right?) is the great northern neighbor of Australia (a major ally of the US). Indonesia is also a partner for peace with the Philippines (which is an American ally) , in 2013 -2014, the Indonesian and Philippine Governments had formally recognized each other's maritime boundaries.

As Indonesia rises as a major economic power in ASEAN, and in the wider Asia-Pacific, Indonesia must waken from its largely internal-oriented policy and take up a greater role in regional affairs. It is part of her responsibility as potential Great Power. And I think sale of either Arleigh Burke Class Guided Missile Destroyer should be considered as Indonesia and American become strategic partners. If United States wants to spearhead an image to work with the Muslim world, then partnership with Indonesia is a necessity. As the world's largest Muslim nation, and one that is a DEMOCRACY, unlike Saudi Arabia which is a restrictive Monarchy, it is Indonesia that is an inspiration to the world that being Muslim does not mean democracy is unattainable. Just because democracy is not seen in Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iraq, Iran, does not mean that Muslim-majority nations cannot have peaceful democracies. Indonesia is a shining example.

Is up to them, on how they perceived us. We have our own agenda and our own National interest, what i want to see if US can directed their National Interest in line with of our own and we can reap something beneficial from our cooperation, and i just wishing both Country can alleviate their Bilateral relationship into a new light of right direction.

 

[Zero_wing]

When we lost those islands(including Huangyan),we have no place to purchase new ships,pinoys are much more "lucky",lol

Wow imperialism is good right sir we still fishing there the problem is your just harrasing us with your military lucky most are ships are in dry dock being upgraded maybe if majority of our ships were there things would be different at less we know china can not be trusted with anything.

There should be a platform to encourage Japan to sell Hatakaze Class Guided Missile Destroyer to the Philippines. If the Philippines were to acquire 2 or 3 of these babies, she would have one of the strongest surface navies in ASEAN.

Or perhaps, if she were interested in newer models, we have the new Akizuki Class Guided Missile Destroyer


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Its possible now since Japan has new arms laws to sell arms it can join the Frigate project but i guess its the Koreans who have a strong bid but if Japan offeres a better bid why not right? But am gald Japan is helping the Alliance up aganist chinese imperialism the chinese maoist imperials are a danger to world peace so we need to keep an Alliance up to keep this fools in check so far the chinese imperials are making enemies as fast as they could so building a safety net for countries being trageted by chinese agression is a far better opnions just in case of military conflict with china but a diplomatic solution base on International law is still a more better way this is just in case.

That's why I will surprise if it's ever happen

In that case if would be far better to buy Russian because everything chinese is just poor quality and majority illegal copies so why not buy from the Original source.

 

[Ayan81]

There should be a platform to encourage Japan to sell Hatakaze Class Guided Missile Destroyer to the Philippines. If the Philippines were to acquire 2 or 3 of these babies, she would have one of the strongest surface navies in ASEAN.

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It will be more helpful/plausible if japan can offer her decommissioned coast guard ships

 

[BoQ77]

Zero_brain R U really sure to know russian shipbuilding situation?

It will be more helpful/plausible if japan can offer her decommissioned coast guard ships

How about PH shipbuilding capability ?

 

[Brainsucker]

We want it, but it will cost a pretty much money to procure them and not mentioning to financing their operational and maintenance will give us much burdens. So one of the gap measure we can afford is to procure an adequate number of frigate size ships meanwhile trying to re-positioning our strategic assets throughout the archipelago.

And don't know but i wish US can sell/give her Ticonderoga to become our future flagship, if only they wanna us to become one of their trusted ally in ASEAN because our higher ups had giving them letter of interest for one of those used ship.

Once again, "interest" is different than "to buy". Plus, are you really-really sure we can buy and maintain a 9000 tonnes CG with all of her equipments? I believe we still can manage to buy and maintain a 4000 tonnes ships like Hatakaze or 054A though or... maybe a bit bigger like Akizuki, 052C or those European Frigates. But a 9000 tonnes Cruiser? Remember KRI Irian

 

[Nike]

Once again, "interest" is different than "to buy". Plus, are you really-really sure we can buy and maintain a 9000 tonnes CG with all of her equipments? I believe we still can manage to buy and maintain a 4000 tonnes ships like Hatakaze or 054A though or... maybe a bit bigger like Akizuki, 052C or those European Frigates. But a 9000 tonnes Cruiser? Remember KRI Irian

It will be a flag ship, a symbol and capital ship at a time. I think they will do anything to keep her floating and keeping her in combat ready condition if they can acquire the ship. And this time it will be different from those era, this time our military growth is maintained by our economic growth.

the rest is up to the US

 

[Zero_wing]

How about PH shipbuilding capability ?

For now we can build support ships (LIke the BRP Tagbanua and our MACPAC assault crafts) Not Corvettes or frigates yet well we can build the ships since we are one of the worlds largest shipbuilding countries 4th actually but we need to buy weapons and equipment and alot of political will on our part but we are getting there due to current administrations defense plans and spending and alot of local companies are taking interest like the Philippine Iron Construction and Marine Works, Engine or Propmech and Keppel Philippines ok not full filipino but at less a half filipino bid.

 

[Aepsilons]

Once again, "interest" is different than "to buy". Plus, are you really-really sure we can buy and maintain a 9000 tonnes CG with all of her equipments? I believe we still can manage to buy and maintain a 4000 tonnes ships like Hatakaze or 054A though or... maybe a bit bigger like Akizuki, 052C or those European Frigates. But a 9000 tonnes Cruiser? Remember KRI Irian

Of course Indonesia is capable of managing large capital ships the size of the Hatakaze Class, the Akizuki Class , even as large as the Atago Class. Listen, if a small country like Taiwan can operate the Kee Lung Class Guided Missile Destroyer (its a Kidd Class Destroyer) with a tonnage of 9,000, then why not Indonesia?

Kee Lung Class Guided Missile Destroyer (Kidd Class Destroyer of the US Navy)

For now we can build support ships (LIke the BRP Tagbanua and our MACPAC assault crafts) Not Corvettes or frigates yet well we can build the ships since we are one of the worlds largest shipbuilding countries 4th actually but we need to buy weapons and equipment and alot of political will on our part but we are getting there due to current administrations defense plans and spending and alot of local companies are taking interest like the Philippine Iron Construction and Marine Works, Engine or Propmech and Keppel Philippines ok not full filipino but at less a half filipino bid.

Philippines needs to rapidly acquire missiles, should invest in missile technology research.

 

[Brainsucker]

Of course Indonesia is capable of managing large capital ships the size of the Hatakaze Class, the Akizuki Class , even as large as the Atago Class. Listen, if a small country like Taiwan can operate the Kee Lung Class Guided Missile Destroyer (its a Kidd Class Destroyer) with a tonnage of 9,000, then why not Indonesia?

Kee Lung Class Guided Missile Destroyer (Kidd Class Destroyer of the US Navy)

Philippines needs to rapidly acquire missiles, should invest in missile technology research.

Taiwan is different than Indonesia. Our budget is quite tight right now; because of our energy sector spending.

 

[Aepsilons]

Taiwan is different than Indonesia. Our budget is quite tight right now; because of our energy sector spending.

Do you mind sharing Indonesia's annual defense budget?