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September 20, 2013

The Yomiuri Shimbun

It is becoming apparent that China intends to strengthen its hegemony in the South China Sea while stalling for time in drawing up a code of conduct to avoid hostilities.

China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations held the first official talks among senior officials to move toward deciding on a code of conduct to regulate the activities of countries concerned in the South China Sea.

Yet China remained halfhearted over the issue throughout the talks, with the meeting only deciding on the establishment of a meeting of experts.

In the South China Sea, China is in conflict with such ASEAN countries as the Philippines and Vietnam regarding sovereignty over the Spratly Islands and other islands and reefs.

China asserts a claim of exclusive sovereignty over not only the Spratly Islands but nearly all of the South China Sea. Yet it has not brought the international community around to its point of view.

For over a decade, the ASEAN countries have been trying to secure agreement from China on the establishment of rules of conduct to prevent overt hostilities in the South China Sea. Yet, with its overwhelming military and economic power, China refused to hold such a meeting until recently.

It is regrettable that even when China finally did come to the negotiating table, it proposed discussing other issues instead and would not go into a detailed discussion on the code of conduct.

Scarborough stare-down

In the South China Sea, with no code of conduct for concerned countries, the crisis is only deepening. The current focal point lies in the conflict between the Philippines and China.

Around the disputed Scarborough Shoal, over which both countries claim sovereignty, naval vessels from the two sides faced each other for two months. The government of the Philippines said that after it moved its vessels away, China placed concrete blocks on the shoal.

Earlier this year, the Philippines filed a request for arbitration under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, asserting that China’s claim of sovereignty over the shoal is unlawful. This month, China held an exhibition inviting heads of ASEAN member countries. But the president of the Philippines was not invited.

The snub must be interpreted as an attempt by China to rebuke the Philippines over the country’s having taken legal action against China.

It is understandable that the Philippines, pressured physically by China, has been intensifying relations with the United States and Japan.

While having expanded a joint military exercise with the United States, the Philippines is moving ahead in talks with the United States that are likely to lead, in effect, to the stationing of U.S. forces in the Philippines again. There is a possibility that the Subic naval base, once a strategic foothold for the United States, will again be used for the deployment of U.S. forces.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, since he took office last December, has intensively visited ASEAN countries and presented his plan of providing 10 patrol vessels to the Philippines.

For both Japan and the United States, which face the expanding presence of China in the East China Sea and the western Pacific, the significance of cooperating with ASEAN member countries by taking concerted actions with them is not limited to the South China Sea. It will help their efforts to check China from expanding its maritime activities elsewhere as well.

Japan, U.S., ASEAN must team up to counter China’s maritime advance - The Japan News

Can I add India?
 
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I find it hilarious that a country of USA caliber needs help to deal with us.

I propose we have a war in 20 years later. Not today because we need time to master our defense industry.
 
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@Krueger

we've defence relation with Japan..but still,India is out of any formal block to counter China,as South China Sea and Pacific isn't exactly our region..we're an nation in IOR.but sure we'll love to see a bloc finally coming up using their common agenda.but India is against any so called bloc as we're part of "NAM"..but we do prefer relationship with various countries remain bilateral,like Indo-Japan or Indo-Vietnam.

so,who're the participants???is Taiwan in or out??

I find it hilarious that a country of USA caliber needs help to deal with us.

I propose we have a war in 20 years later. Not today because we need time to master our defense industry.

USA always take care other country using allies..thats a nice way to deal with,cause,most of so called powerful countries are in USA's camp and USA can show the world that hey,we're(and not just I'm) holding same response over this issue..
 
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I find it hilarious that a country of USA caliber needs help to deal with us.

I propose we have a war in 20 years later. Not today because we need time to master our defense industry.

If that was the attitude my enemy takes, I'd not wait and just crush them now. :usflag:

As I've said before, tear up Article 9 of the Japanese constitution. Let them arm up !!! The Chinese would sh1t their p.j.'s. :cheers:
 
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If that was the attitude my enemy takes, I'd not wait and just crush them now. :usflag:

As I've said before, tear up Article 9 of the Japanese constitution. Let them arm up !!! The Chinese would sh1t their p.j.'s. :cheers:
**** our P.J.'s my ***. We fought with the 8-nation alliances with bow and arrow. Time is changing, bud. We now can fight with gun.
 
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cross posted:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...s-implication-regional-world-geopolitics.html

I have long advocated the idea of ASEAN+ as an optimum and balanced solution for the geopolitical conundrum in this region. There is a rising China and a somewhat slowly rising India. Both countries rise is threatening for their neighbors in terms of security, but creates economic opportunity for smaller regional nations, mainly in the case of China. To offset this security threat, continued presence of US bases and US alliance as an offshore balancer seems to be the solution that Japan and South Korea chose, although the US initially came in uninvited as a victor in WW II and as a cold war rival of Communist Russia and China in Korea, dividing up the peninsula.

ASEAN+ would be good for all nations in the region, because its a workable compromise:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/180755-geopolitics-asean-region.html

Unfortunately Japan has initiated in a wrong course in recent months. What Japan is trying to do is betting its future with continued US supremacy in world stage and in East Asia and form the following Diamond alliance, as it became clear that US Pivot to Asia is nothing but words, which essentially mean the EU will need to start taking more responsibility for its own defence and security arrangement, without putting further burden on US taxpayers. This Diamond alliance has four main geographical entities:

- USA, Alaska
- Australia
- Japan
- India

And it will possibly include some ASEAN nations that are having territorial problems with China, such as Vietnam and Philippines.

This is a wrong long term approach for the following reasons:

By choosing to ally with India and thus helping India’s attempts to rise in competition with China, the risk for Japan is that it will antagonize all nations that consider India as a threat - these nations are nations that border India (including China) or are nearby such as Sri Lanka, as well as most Muslims nations of the world who consider India as one of the most anti-Muslim nations of the world. Although India contains the 2nd or 3rd largest Muslim population of the world after Indonesia and possibly Pakistan, as is shown from the recent riots, Muslim lives are not safe and secure in India, they are under constant threat for random riot incidents, instigated by Hindutva radical extremist political parties and their activists. A militarily more powerful India will not only translate into more threat perception by Muslim nations in South Asia, but also for Muslim nations elsewhere, regardless of the facade of good relations its diplomats have managed to achieve with some of these nations.

Japan’s latest attempt to join India in an alliance and thus empower this Hindutva terrorist and radical extremist infested nation, will be a continuation of Japanese racist and imperialist policies that it engaged in during WW II and caused untold atrocities killing many millions among many different nations, including China, who bore the main brunt of Japanese attempt to subjugate almost all of East Asia. It seems Japan has not learned from its past mistakes, in fact Japan has not yet apologized the way Germany has. History of Japan’s self defeating policies go much further back in history. Yamato Wa, a fledgeling Japanese country in 7th century, had close cultural and family links with the royal dynasty of Baekje, a small Korean kingdom, during the 3 kingdoms era. Yamato Wa tried to help its ally by sending an Armada in a last ditch effort to save that kingdom. Unfortunately the Armada faced a crushing defeat and total annihilation at the hand of Silla-Tang alliance:
Battle of Baekgang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A recent historical Korean drama covers this battle and the background in great detail. I will try to post a link to it later.

I would urge China and ASEAN nations to reconsider the ASEAN+ idea to persuade Japan away from choosing this wrong path. If Japan is adamant and continues in this path, as is usually the case when it has made up its mind, then I predict that the following scenario may emerge in the rest of the region:

1. Instead of Japan and South Korea taking the lead in developing and integrating the ASEAN countries, it will be China and South Korea who will take the lead, just like the Silla-Tang alliance in old days, standing up against an Imperialist Japan and its new lackey, India
2. China and South Korea will work together to reduce Japanese and Indian influence in the region, so the ASEAN+ idea will remain intact, but it will exclude Japan and include China as the main leader and sponsor, but not formally a part of it
3. ASEAN nations such as Vietnam and Philippines who will go along with the Japanese plan, will be excluded from the ASEAN economic and infrastructure integration plan till they decide to end their support for the India-Japan axis plan and approach
3. Since Vietnam borders China, I believe it will be possible to persuade them using economic incentives and reaching some bilateral compromise about territorial issues
4. Philippines on the other hand will be harder to handle, because of Western influence, although Chinese should make sustained efforts to bring them back closer to other ASEAN nations. If all attempts fail, then China and other ASEAN and Muslim nations spread out in Asia and Africa should reduce trade with all nations that will join this new Japan-India axis of racism bent on genocide of their neighbors

Just like Japan has planned a Japan-India axis as part of the Diamond alliance, Japan is testing the water for another alliance with another large neighbor of China who is close to China, but at the same time feels threatened by China’s rise at some level. This large neighbor happens to be Russia. Shinzo Abe has been visiting many of China’s neighbors in recent months and Russia is one of these countries. Recently there has been some thawing of relationship between the two countries. The 4 northern islands that Russia occupied at the tail end of WW II, Russia is considering shared use with Japan for at least 2 of these islands.

To counter Japanese foray in Eurasia, Chinese could help to create a competing Southern Eurasian Union, comprising of Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. A stable region like this has tremendous development potential and could work to reduce Russian influence and finally draw in the 5 Central Asian stan’s.

Reference:
Decision Time for India Regarding a Security Alliance
Wanted: An Externally Oriented Japan | Nippon.com
Abbott's challenge in Asia
Australia and India: Indo-Pacific Partners / ISN
Hagel says joint exercise expansion key to Asia Pacific pivot -- Defense Systems
Japan and India: The making of a new alliance? / ISN
India Places Its Asian Bet on Japan: Roiling the Waters of the Asia-Pacific ?????????????????????????? :: JapanFocus
A Russia-China Alliance Brewing? | The Diplomat
Russia seeks informal alliance with Japan - Arlington Foreign Policy | Examiner.com
China sees ‘encircle’ ploy in India ties
China-Russia cooperation vs US-Japan military alliance
Working for India or against Islam? Islamophobia in Indian American Lobbies
Priorities for Japan
Shifting Definitions of

The following threads in PDF cover similar subject:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...threatens-india-japan-strategic-alliance.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...tage-china-japan-disputes-chinese-expert.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/255626-india-japan-pantomime-message-china.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...an-bet-japan-roiling-waters-asia-pacific.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...circle-ploy-india-ties-big-boys-big-guns.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/227148-forging-india-japan-n-axis.html
The Indian Piece of Abe's Security Diamond
 
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when our GDP is a few times higher than yours,
when your cities are considered as dump sites by Chinese standard,
when your women are desparately trying to marry Chinese to live in China,
when your men are risking their lives crossing the border to earn our minimum wages

it is so funny to hear your comments.
yeah...just keep talking big. For centuries China had been a dump site until recently, poor, backward and desperate. Forgotten the lost 40 years under Mao Zedong?
 
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