Japan unveils massive $110 billion plan for Asia’s infrastructure to counter China

[Echo_419]

In Modi Regime, we will find load of fund being channelized into development and infrastructure.

If we want to achieve 10-12% growth domestic sources aren't enough

Please teach me, Sensei, I fear my understanding is greatly sub par.



India is part of the Southeast !

Japani- Aseani - Hindi- Pakistani Bhai Bhai

Actually we are part of South Asia

 

[Gufi]

@Nihonjin1051 Wanted to ask if you have any details on the area which will be focused on? will it be country or area based? Is it an answer to Chinese influence or is it to further Japanese investments from the saturated west to Asia? and lastly will any of this reach Pakistan or will it be concentrated on the immediate neighbours??

 

[mike2000 is back]

@Nihonjin1051 Wanted to ask if you have any details on the area which will be focused on? will it be country or area based? Is it an answer to Chinese influence or is it to further Japanese investments from the saturated west to Asia? and lastly will any of this reach Pakistan or will it be concentrated on the immediate neighbours??

Well, to be honest, even if it's to counter China's aiib(which I think it is. Lol), I don't see the point, since even though Japan is putting in more money than the AIIB, there's is still too much to do, for example even all the worlds developmental organisations put together can't even meet half of Asia's developmental needs in infrastructure. India alone needs over a trillion dollars AT LEAST to meet it's infrastructural needs . So there is sooooooooooo much space for any Asian infrastructure focus organisation.

You didn't answer my question. What should Japan do according o you, in the case of a Taiwan conflict?



Should I take your silence as an affirmation of intervening in a Taiwan conflict?

LMAO, what do you expect Japan to do in case of a Taiwan conflict? Answer is obviously nothing. Lool only the U.S MIGHT (I don't think it will) intervene. The risks for Japan far outweighs any benefits. Moreover why do you think Japan will engage itself in a war it has no business in which might reduce its own country to ruins because of a small renegade Chinese province. I call it so because even the ROC alias Taiwan still consider itself part of China and the rightful ruler of all China, to make things worse the KMT claims more land for china than even the ccp and the also claim the same nine dash line as PRC (IN fact it's the kmt that even started /initiated the nine dash line in scs in the first place, the ccp simply took over from them. Lol) . In short they are still very much Chinese. I wouldn't shed any blood for them. Japan has too much to Miranda little to gain by doing so. The U. S is the main player here.

Good that China proposed. Now good luck implemenring it. Japan on the other hand is already implemenring $110 Billion worth in investments.

Not to mention the ADB, which is already over $250 Billion.

So you see, Japan is actively , has been actively developing Asia and the developing world.

We've been in the "ballgame", lol.


LOL!!




Absolutely!!

The market potential is just Phenomenal !! Imagine 1.2 billion from India, 156 million from Bangladesh, 180 million from Pakistan, 28 million from Sri Lanka and another 20 million or so in Nepal.

By Jove! That's a combined market of close to 1.6 Billion!

And South Asia hasn't even hit 1/30th of her potential. Dear God, imagine when the region picks up in 2-3 decades time.

Japan has already tapped into China, Lol. It's time we expand aggressively into the new frontier, South Asia.....!

True, Japan indeed has the first comer advantage, since it had a very long head start over China and much of Asia. Reason Japan was the first country in Asia to be developed. so many things Japan already accomplished long ago, it's just now/recently that many Asian countries are accomplishing . However, the Chinese are also catching up fast. Will be interesting to see how things unfold these coming decades.

 

[HRM YANG]

Ha ha ha, you don't give enough credit to the history, and composition of the Beiyang Fleet, buddy. You know that during the early 1870s, the Beiyang Fleet was actually one of the smallest of the regional fleets of the Qing Navy, but since the rise of the Viceroy Lord Li Hongzhang, the Beiyang Fleet rose to prominence even greater than the Nanyang Fleet.

Btw, if you study the Sino-French War of 1884, you will see that the Beiyang Fleet actually received 3 heavy cruisers purchased from Germany, these were the Zhenyuan, the Jiyuan and the Dingyuan. These cruisers helped , eventually, to bring strategic overall victory when battling the French Far Eastern Naval Fleet in the Battle of Shipu, as well as in the Tai Son Operations off the Gulf of Tonkin, where the Beiyang Fleet even sailed south to engage the French. The Beiyang Fleet then also was dispatched, successfull ending the French blockade of Formosa.

So let us not feign incompetence , my friend. Clearly, as seen in the Beiyang Fleet's abilities against the French in the Sino-French War, it was a capable regional fleet, strong enough to resist European Forces.

By the time Japan and China engaged in hostilities, the Beiyang Fleet was well prepared , given its strategic lessons learned in fighting the French. By the time the Battle of Weihaiwei 威海衛の戦いhappened , the Chinese Beiyang Fleet was even larger , organized and more prepared than the fledgling Imperial Navy.

The cost for China was that the Chinese preferred to fight in line formation, a standard British strategy. The Japanese, on the other hand, preferred to send in wedged formation naval formations , and struck the Beiyang Fleet on the center, thereby cutting the Beiyang Fleet into two parts. It then was decimated.

Beiyang Fleet was not defeated because it had inferior equipment, No. It was defeated because of simple strategy.



Ambivalence is also part of strategy. You will know Japan's stance when the time comes.

I would not be conservative to express my appreciation to your knowledge, and you propound a brand new perspective to Beiyang fleet and Yellow Sea battle! Thank you Lad, I think I have learnt something from you. Japanese is a respectable nation. Very outstanding, same as us, but not Manchu.

 

[HRM YANG]

Well, to be honest, even if it's to counter China's aiib(which I think it is. Lol), I don't see the point, since even though Japan is putting in more money than the AIIB, there's is still too much to do, for example even all the worlds developmental organisations put together can't even meet half of Asia's developmental needs in infrastructure. India alone needs over a trillion dollars AT LEAST to meet it's infrastructural needs . So there is sooooooooooo much space for any Asian infrastructure focus organisation.



LMAO, what do you expect Japan to do in case of a Taiwan conflict? Answer is obviously nothing. Lool only the U.S MIGHT (I don't think it will) intervene. The risks for Japan far outweighs any benefits. Moreover why do you think Japan will engage itself in a war it has no business in which might reduce its own country to ruins because of a small renegade Chinese province. I call it so because even the ROC alias Taiwan still consider itself part of China and the rightful ruler of all China, to make things worse the KMT claims more land for china than even the ccp and the also claim the same nine dash line as PRC (IN fact it's the kmt that even started /initiated the nine dash line in scs in the first place, the ccp simply took over from them. Lol) . In short they are still very much Chinese. I wouldn't shed any blood for them. Japan has too much to Miranda little to gain by doing so. The U. S is the main player here.



True, Japan indeed has the first comer advantage, since it had a very long head start over China and much of Asia. Reason Japan was the first country in Asia to be developed. so many things Japan already accomplished long ago, it's just now/recently that many Asian countries are accomplishing . However, the Chinese are also catching up fast. Will be interesting to see how things unfold these coming decades.

Hah, thank you for your admission to 1992consensus (one China). Yes this is a colossal risk for Japan. logistic back up would be the furthest, if US interferes TW channel war. Even US would only dispatches Marine and Airforce, no place for JSDF.

 

[Echo_419]

Nope Japan still leads China in many fields. If China was to achieve even half of what Japan has achieved in productivity per head /efficiency, then believe me even the mighty U.S will stand no chance at all against China. How come a 1.4billion country with a massive land and huge resources have barely twice the GDP of a small island nation with barely 150million people and virtually no natural resources ? if anything you should be more humble, and stay silent while trying to catch up, it's not really the time to boast just yet. Lol

Couldn't say it better myself
The Japanese are still miles ahead of the Chinese

 

[Aepsilons]

I would not be conservative to express my appreciation to your knowledge, and you propound a brand new perspective to Beiyang fleet and Yellow Sea battle! Thank you Lad, I think I have learnt something from you. Japanese is a respectable nation. Very outstanding, same as us, but not Manchu.

In fact, my friend, the Viceroy Lord Li Hongzhang was very good friends with the Marshall Admiral Baron Ito Sukeyuki. During the Meiji Restoration , as a younger career military officer Baron Ito Sukeyuki had crossed paths with Lord Li Hongzhang when in a diplomatic mission to China's Shandong to meet with European naval attaches to discuss naval purchases and training. In fact both Li and Ito were involved in the modernization of the Beiyang Fleet and the Imperial Fleet, respectively. They remained very close friends, even after the war. When Li Hongzhang died in 1901, the Marshal Admiral Baron Ito Sukeyuki was grieved beyond words. Besides Li Hongzhang, he was also good friends with Chinese Admiral Ding Ruchang , as both were students together in Naval training with the west.

When Admiral Sukeyaki had heard that his friend Admiral Ding committed suicide after the Battle of Yellow Sea, the Admiral broke protocol by weeping in front of the men. He had to be escorted to his chambers because that's how deep he was affected.

That was a time when Japanese and Chinese, tho they fought against each other, had so much passion and respect admiration for each other.

Kind of interesting if you read the letters and correspondence to each other. It's as if they were not just friends, but literally brothers.

 

[jhungary]

To be honest, i disagree with you on this bro. If China was so easily replaceable Japanese and western companies would have long vacated /leaved the country long time ago, but they haven't, but they haven't, instead they have been steadily increasing their investment in the country. As i said before, bussinemen know where /which country are offers them the best ROI, if they think its Vietnam, Thailand or even Iran then they will invest.They don't care one bit about politics /rivalry between countries. That's the sad truth. So no, Japanese companies won't leave China anytime soon, just like our companies won't leave China anytime soon as well. Do you even know the amount of revenue most western, South Korean and Japanese companies derive from China and the profits they make from producing /exporting to the world market? Lool I posted an article about apple making over 30billion in sales in China last quarter alone.

So we on PDF can dream of aligning our countries investment towards 'friendly countries ', but businessmen/investors don't care about that when making their decisions, after all they know better where to channel their investments /capital than we PDF keyboard warrior civilians. Lool

Afterall the fact that China has now overtaken the U. S as the world's largest FDI recipient is not by luck /coincidence. It's not like western /Japanese love China that much (not at all), but when it comes to business companies make practical /pragmatic decisions which they think will better serve their companies and shareholders. So if any country out there thinks because it's a democracy or friendly to we in the west then it ought to receive the bulk of our fdi then I'm afraid it will have to wait till judgement day. Lool good supply chain, educated /discipline workforce , adequate infrastructure etc are what matters, not your friendly relations with any country unfortunately.

Being replaceable and actually have to replace something is two different thing altogether. Especially if you look at the economic model.

You can readily replace something, that does not mean you want to replace them. Do bear in mind, in this model, not just the cost of production line is considered, when you replace something, you also need to consider the repackaging cost and rebranding, both of them cost money and time.

Like you have a car, if your engine starting to go south, and you have the mean (Money) to get a replacement engine, that does not means you would always replace your engine right the way, you may want to have the engine last until it won't start or wait until you're free before you replace it, so that you do not need to take a day off or something like that to do it today. But not being replacing the engine right the way does not mean you do not have means to replace the engine now.

I don't know if you understand this concept.

China can be replace at any given moment, but you are not gonna see this happen anytime soon, not because those company cannot replace their production line in China and move it somewhere else, simply it's still earning money for them, that's why they are not replacing it at the moment. As long as the investing environment in China turned hostile or there are not much money to be made building in China, then they will be replaced, not before.

 

[Aepsilons]

@Nihonjin1051 Wanted to ask if you have any details on the area which will be focused on? will it be country or area based? Is it an answer to Chinese influence or is it to further Japanese investments from the saturated west to Asia? and lastly will any of this reach Pakistan or will it be concentrated on the immediate neighbours??

Good Afternoon @Gufi ,


This recent pledge by Japan of $110 Billion is, indeed, a direct counter to the AIIB. So whereas the AIIB has a limit of $50 billion and will be divided equally amongst the member states depending on how much they contribute, this pledge by Japan of an unprecedented $110 Billion will come out directly from the Japanese Government and will be used for infrastruture investments throughout Asia. From reading Asahi Shimbun, it looks like the parts of Asia that will benefit from this will be ASEAN, South Asia, As well as Western Asia. There is special emphasis, however, on ASEAN and South and Western Asia.

As you may know that just this year Shinzo Abe had pledged $35 Billion for India, alone. And that is not included in this $110 Billion pledge. So , compositely speaking, we are looking at $145 Billion USD worth in investments coming from Japan for Asia. As for your question on Pakistan, yes, we are expected to increase JICA grants for Pakistan this year ! Some of the ongoing projects for Pakistan include (and i will provide you the links):

JICA to enhance the capacities of disaster management bodies of Pakistan | Pakistan | Countries & Regions | JICA

JICA to establish Water and Sanitation Agency for Punjab | Pakistan | Countries & Regions | JICA

Training programme under JICA supported project for Capacity development of Agriculture Extension services in Khyber Pakhtukhwa inaugurated at NARC | Pakistan | Countries & Regions | JICA

JICA provides spare parts for ground water rigs in Balochistan | Pakistan | Countries & Regions | JICA

JICA to revise curriculum at CTTI | Pakistan | Countries & Regions | JICA

@Nihonjin1051 Wanted to ask if you have any details on the area which will be focused on? will it be country or area based? Is it an answer to Chinese influence or is it to further Japanese investments from the saturated west to Asia? and lastly will any of this reach Pakistan or will it be concentrated on the immediate neighbours??

My friend, I hope that Japan can do more for Pakistan, and I hope that this new pledge of $110 Billion can accomodate a needed infrastructure development for crucial areas for your country including the Khyber, as well as Balochistan. Let's pray for that ! INSHAALLAH !

 

[mike2000 is back]

Couldn't say it better myself
The Japanese are stil miles ahead of the Chinese

Well as I said, the Japanese are among the most productive country in the world along with the U. S. So, if anything Japan should serve as a model for China (and much of Asia) to follow. So the Chinese can underestimate any country in Asia, but not Japan.

 

[Jlaw]

1. What jet engine? high-bypass or low-bypass? I need names of these engines.
China has WS-10 low-bypass engine that is already in mass production and demonstrated and equipping all new 4th and 4.5 generation Chinese fighters. China is working on SF-A high-bypass turbofan for C919 aircraft and WS-20 high-bypass for Y-20 strategic transport. Also WS-13 for JF-17. Turboshafts such as WZ-10 for Z-10 attack helicopter. China already has turboprops such as WJ-6C already equipping Y-9 aircraft. Can you name Japanese equivalent for these?

2. Not a critical technology.

3. Yes Robotics I'll agree. Especially industrial robots which is a critical industry. China needs improvement in this area.

4. China has advanced maglev trains already in operation such as Shanghai maglev train. Shanghai Maglev Train - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China is also working on much faster maglev trains.
Maglev Train Battle: Japan Breaks Speed Record, China Eyes Further / Sputnik International
China tests 3,000-kph ‘super-Maglev’ train concept — RT News

5. I'll agree the Japs are ahead in cameras and lens although I'm doubtful whether this is a critical industry. Maybe lens technology is important for satellite imagery. Then we would have to compare both countries commercial satellite imagery technologies. How is a camera such a critical technology?

6. Cultural is not a critical technology.

I would say Japan is ahead in the chip design industry which is a very critical industry. China is working hard in this area. China has its own foundry such as SMIC that has capability at 28nm. Does Japan have its equivalent and what's their level? China is working on improving memory chips too.

I want critical technologies China is way behind Japan that is vital. I don't care about technologies where both have similar technologies and Japan is slightly ahead or China is slightly ahead.

@mike2000 is back Where is your list. I'm waiting.

AV...japan is #1

Funny thing is that without commodore Mathew Perry sailing to Japan and forcing Japan to open up to trade, and the Japanese imperial leadership being far sighted enough to topple the backward looking isolation obsessed shugonate(much like the Qing government) and learn from the more advanced west, then Japan will have certainly be one of our(western) colonies as well. it too would have been invaded,colonised and ruled like much of Asia during that period.
So fortunately for Japan, it made the right choice at the right time and followed the west to industrialise (the first Asian country to do so) and develope to a major world power which rivalled the west in all fields. Too bad China didn't follow suite, but that again is history, things have changed and the world is different now.

COMMODORE Perry, great grandfather of actor Matthew Perry.

 

[Lucid Thoughts]

Not only Chinese to be honest, some Indians here also think the same way to some extent.

Chup kar. Saare jahan se achha humara Hindustan.

 

[jhungary]

AV...japan is #1


COMMODORE Perry, great grandfather of actor Matthew Perry.

I don't know if that's a joke or you are simply misinformed.

Matthew Perry is an Canadian born in the US, his ancestor would be Canadian, so no, Commodore Mathew Perry is NOT of any relation to the actor.

However, Cmdr Perry is the BROTHER of another Famous US Naval Officer, Oliver Hazard Perry which US have a line of Frigate named after him

EDIT:: He is the brother of the actual Naval Captain Oliver Hazard Perry, but he did also have a son named Oliver Hazard Perry, Sorry for the confusion

 

[Jlaw]

I don't know if that's a joke or you are simply misinformed.

Matthew Perry is an Canadian born in the US, his ancestor would be Canadian, so no, Commodore Mathew Perry is NOT of any relation to the actor.

However, Cmdr Perry is the FATHER of another Famous US Naval Officer, Oliver Hazard Perry which US have a line of Frigate named after him

no, i heard somewhere actor Matt Perry has a great grandfather, Admiral Perry.

 

[jhungary]

no, i heard somewhere actor Matt Perry has a great grandfather, Admiral Perry.

lol, no. Don't know where you heard that.

CDRE Matthew C Perry fought with Canada in the War of 1812 as an Naval officer , and Commodore is not an Admiral not currently nor when Perry was in Active duty