Japan unveils massive $110 billion plan for Asia’s infrastructure to counter China

[CCP]

Tell me, please.

Why is it that the Imperial Japanese Navy utterly decimated both the Russian Baltic Fleet and Chinese Beiyang Fleet?

For the Chinese Beiyang Fleet, it was mostly built by British engineers, and the Chinese naval commanders also were trained by British naval war college mentors. Still, the Chinese were annihilated in the Yalu River. Why did Japan succeed while Chinese failed ?

1.Simple, see who funded Japan in those two wars.

2. British stop to sell warship to China before the war, China have to buy from germany. Germany's warship is good but is but not good as British's. Even with bigger size but less guns ,less speed and most important germany guns are much slower.
Most of warships of Japan are the best ship from UK.

3. Sino-Japan war started with IJN attack Chinese hired UK transport ship.
UK keep totally silent for that.

 

[Aepsilons]

1.Simple, see who found Japan to at those two wars.
2. British stop to sell warship to China before the war, China have to buy from germany. Germany's warship is good but is but goos as Bithshes.

You do know that the German Kriegsmarine boasted one of the best (if not the best) battleships throughout its time, yes? So the fact that the Beiyang Fleet fielded both British and some German-made vessels should have added to its capability to defeat the Imperial Japanese Navy.

But alas, it was not the case, was it?

 

[sword1947]

hey, boys, prepare your wallet, the money is coming

 

[CCP]

You do know that the German Kriegsmarine boasted one of the best (if not the best) battleships throughout its time, yes? So the fact that the Beiyang Fleet fielded both British and some German-made vessels should have added to its capability to defeat the Imperial Japanese Navy.

But alas, it was not the case, was it?

1.UK made best ship at hat time.
2. China known UK is behind Japan , and UK is at less 10 times stronger than China at that time.
UK can give Japan almost unlimited support, otherwise China can just consume with Japan until Japan run out of resources.

 

[Aepsilons]

I was thinking about a possible solution to Diaoyu/Senkaku conflict.
Would you give China open support for reunification with Taiwan, in lieu of its withdrawing claims over the islands?

As per the 1978 Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Japan and the PRC, Japan does not interfere with Chinese internal affairs. Taiwan, especially. In fact, a sign of Japanese good will, Japan had revoked its 1972 Entente with Taipei , to build confidence measures with Beijing.

As for the Senkakus, they are administered by Japan (irrespective of what other countries say or believe). Nothing changes that geopolitical reality. And btw, there is a JGSDF garrison in Senkakus.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

As per the 1978 Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Japan and the PRC, Japan does not interfere with Chinese internal affairs. Taiwan, especially. In fact, a sign of Japanese good will, Japan had revoked its 1972 Entente with Taipei , to build confidence measures with Beijing.

As for the Senkakus, they are administered by Japan (irrespective of what other countries say or believe). Nothing changes that geopolitical reality. And btw, there is a JGSDF garrison in Senkakus.

But I have heard that Japan has a policy of strategic ambiguity, regarding Taiwan. Or have you made it amply clear that you won't intervene in the case of an operation by China for reunification?

 

[CCP]

As for the Senkakus, they are administered by Japan (irrespective of what other countries say or believe). Nothing changes that geopolitical reality. And btw, there is a JGSDF garrison in Senkakus.

We set ADIZ over diaoyu island (irrespective of what other countries say or believe).

 

[Aepsilons]

1.UK made best ship at hat time.
2. China knows UK is behind Japan , and UK is at less 10 times stronger than China at that time.
UK can give Japan almost unlimited support, otherwise China can just consume with Japan until Japan run out of resources.

No, we defeated you in Battle of Yalu River, and Battle of Yellow Sea, completely and utterly. After that, there ceased to be a Chinese Imperial Navy. We then defeated and routed the Chinese garrison in Korea, effectively making Korea a protectorate, until 1910 when Korean Empire was officially unified with the Japanese Empire.

I like to see things through the meta-analytic lens. China's defeat to Japan during the 1894 Sino Japanese War facilitated the end of the Qing Dynasty, and propelled China to Republicanism.

That's a good thing, yes?

 

[mike2000 is back]

1. Well, UK will not shock. Since most of Japanese warships is from UK and found of war also from UK.
UK report russians location to Japan daily, but Russian is most blind.

2.U.S lost that battle since they don't believe Japan dare to attack an enemy which is 10 times of its size without support from an even stronger ally.

Nope the U. s had a large military presence in the Philippines and they were fully prepared since the Second World War was already raging all over Asia and Japan had attacked Pearl Harbour weeks earlier. In fact after the battle Japan captured over 80000 U.S soldiers(and it's Filipinos subordinates) and they were forced to were forced to embark on the infamous "Death March" to a prison camp more than 100 kilometers north, while general mc Arthur narrowly escaped to Australia. so yes the U.S was prepared, but they kind of underestimated Japan's resolve /strength, since they somehow thought Japanese being small in size /short were less powerful than the average American /westerner and moreover the U. S had a technological advantage over Japan (or so we thought) , so there was no reason to believe the U.S could be defeated.

Secondly yes we were bloody shocked russia lost so terribly /easily to be honest. We never really expected Japan to defeat Russia this easily at all. In fact prior to this NO asian country had ever defeated a western country /power in war. So we never really expected Japan to do so, even with the logistic/intelligence/material support we gave Japan . Moreover as i said, Japan had a far smaller /inferior navy to Russia. So we thought Japan might inflict considerable damage at best to the Russians (which would have benefited us) but we never expected them to completely eradicate the Russian mighty naval fleet. lol Banzai

Japanese Occupation of the Philippines
Japanese occupation of the Philippines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What was the impact of Japan's victory over Russia in the Russo-Japanese War of 1905? - Quora

 

[Aepsilons]

But I have heard that Japan has a policy of strategic ambiguity, regarding Taiwan. Or have you made it amply clear that you won't intervene in the case of an operation by China for reunification?

Article 1


1. The Contracting Parties shall develop lasting relations of peace and friendship between the two countries on the basis of mutual respect for the principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, non-intervention in each other's internal affairs, mutual benefit, and peaceful coexistence.


2. In accordance with the aforementioned principles and the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, the Contracting Parties affirm that, in their mutual relations, they will use peaceful means to settle all disputes and will refrain from the use of force or the threats of the use thereof.


Article 2


The Contracting Parties declare that neither Party will seek hegemony within the Asian and Pacific region or in any other region and that both shall oppose any attempt by any other country or group of countries to establish such hegemony.


Article 3


The Contracting Parties, motivated by the spirit of good neighbourliness and friendship and in accordance with the principles of mutual benefit and non-interference in each other's internal affairs, shall foster contacts and endeavours involving the peoples of the two countries with a view to furthering economic and cultural relations between the two countries.


Article 4


This Treaty shall not affect the relations either Contracting Party maintains with third countries.


Article 5


1. This Treaty is subject to ratification and shall enter into force on the day of the exchange of the instruments of ratification at Tokyo. This Treaty shall remain in force for 10 years and thereafter until the statement of termination provided for in paragraph 2 of this article is made.


2. Upon the expiration of the initial ten-year period or at any time thereafter, either Contracting Party may terminate this Treaty by informing the other Contracting Party in writing one year beforehand of its intention to do so.


IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Plenipotentiaries have signed this Treaty and affixed thereto their seals.


DONE at Beijing, 12 August 1978, in duplicate, in the Japanese and Chinese languages, both texts being equally authentic.


For Japan:
SUNAO SONODA


For the People's Republic of China:
HUANG HUA



Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Japan and the People's Republic of China

 

[CCP]

No, we defeated you in Battle of Yalu River, and Battle of Yellow Sea, completely and utterly. After that, there ceased to be a Chinese Imperial Navy. We then defeated and routed the Chinese garrison in Korea, effectively making Korea a protectorate, until 1910 when Korean Empire was officially unified with the Japanese Empire.

I like to see things through the meta-analytic lens. China's defeat to Japan during the 1894 Sino Japanese War facilitated the end of the Qing Dynasty, and propelled China to Republicanism.

That's a good thing, yes?

Even China was defeated in korean and sea. If China keep fighting , Japan will not able to stay in korean. Where Japan's bullets shells and guns from? You need lots them after every battle. Can Japan make all of those?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

No, we defeated you in Battle of Yalu River, and Battle of Yellow Sea, completely and utterly. After that, there ceased to be a Chinese Imperial Navy. We then defeated and routed the Chinese garrison in Korea, effectively making Korea a protectorate, until 1910 when Korean Empire was officially unified with the Japanese Empire.

I like to see things through the meta-analytic lens. China's defeat to Japan during the 1894 Sino Japanese War facilitated the end of the Qing Dynasty, and propelled China to Republicanism.

That's a good thing, yes?

Perhaps it propelled towards Republicanism, but Japan was not the only reason, and it was more a Chinese response to overthrow Qing, who have led to such humiliation.

Also, perhaps, a person as thoughtful as you, must practice a little bit of restraint. You are talking of your military occupation as some kind of feat, and in the face conscious East Asia, that means revenge has to come. Either it is revenge, or apology. You refuse to make a proper apology. (and please don't cite Kono, and Murayama statement, I am talking about a deep felt society wide apology)
The least you can do is not to remind Chinese here, to give it back to you one day, what they have suffered.

 

[Tresbon]

@Nihonjin1051 you should have much much more passion for Matthew Calbraith Perry , the conqueror and savior of japan. lol, what a coincidence, he happened to be an american. is japan doomed to be entangled with America, the conqueror and savior of japan,forever?

 

[Aepsilons]

Nope the U. s had a large military presence in the Philippines and they were fully prepared since the Second World War was already raging all over Asia and Japan had attacked Pearl Harbour weeks earlier. In fact after the battle Japan captured over 80000 U.S soldiers(and it's Filipinos subordinates) and they were forced to were forced to embark on the infamous "Death March" to a prison camp more than 100 kilometers north, while general mc Arthur narrowly escaped to Australia. so yes the U.S was prepared, but they kind of underestimated Japan's resolve /strength, since they somehow thought Japanese being small in size /short were less powerful than the average American /westerner and moreover the U. S had a technological advantage over Japan (or so we thought) , so there was no reason to believe the U.S could be defeated.

Secondly yes we were bloody shocked russia lost so terribly /easily to be honest. We never really expected Japan to defeat Russia this easily at all. In fact prior to this NO asian country had ever defeated a western country /power in war. So we never really expected Japan to do so, even with the logistic/intelligence/material support we gave Japan . Moreover ask said, Japan had a far smaller /inferior navy to Russia. So we thought Japan might inflict considerable damage to the Russians (which will benefit us) bit we never expected the eradicate the Russian mighty naval fleet. Banzai

Mike,

After Russia's defeat to Japan in the 1904-1905 Russo Japanese War, the term "Yellow Peril" was coined to describe the Japanese Empire. The English also referred to us as the "Prussia of the West", an attempt to equate Japan with the Prussian Martial Spirit.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Even China was defeated in korean and sea. If China keep fighting , Japan will not able to stay in korean. Where Japan's bullets shells and guns from? You need new bath for every battle. Can Japan make all of those?

Do you realize how utterly stupid you sound?
At least learn some logic before opening your lousy mouth.

 

[CCP]

Nope the U. s had a large military presence in the Philippines and they were fully prepared since the Second World War was already raging all over Asia and Japan had attacked Pearl Harbour weeks earlier. In fact after the battle Japan captured over 80000 U.S soldiers(and it's Filipinos subordinates) and they were forced to were forced to embark on the infamous "Death March" to a prison camp more than 100 kilometers north, while general mc Arthur narrowly escaped to Australia. so yes the U.S was prepared, but they kind of underestimated Japan's resolve /strength, since they somehow thought Japanese being small in size /short were less powerful than the average American /westerner and moreover the U. S had a technological advantage over Japan (or so we thought) , so there was no reason to believe the U.S could be defeated.

Secondly yes we were bloody shocked russia lost so terribly /easily to be honest. We never really expected Japan to defeat Russia this easily at all. In fact prior to this NO asian country had ever defeated a western country /power in war. So we never really expected Japan to do so, even with the logistic/intelligence/material support we gave Japan . Moreover ask said, Japan had a far smaller /inferior navy to Russia. So we thought Japan might inflict considerable damage to the Russians (which will benefit us) bit we never expected the eradicate the Russian mighty naval fleet. Banzai

1. again, US fight without support and seaways have been blocked by IJN. I think anyone will surend at that situation.
2. well, UK just want to balance Russia , nothing more.