Japan defense budget request highest ever as Abe boosts military

[pher]

Your knowledge about Japan is zero that's what i can say. Surrounded? nah they always be surrounded by water since their inception, no lands border no need to have a huge army like the China did. What they only need is to have an credible Naval Forces and Air Forces to deter any invasion by Sea

today is a different world in technology. That is why US could come from half a globe to dominate this area's affairs. Japan's land mass decided its vulnaltility in today's war. China's conventioal missles could eaily destroy its whole country. Don't expect US will stay this region forever.

You can cheer for japan out of your delusion, but once you have conflict with Australia, which is for sure, japan will certainly gang up with australila against you. we will see then.

 

[tonyget]

A few well placed missiles to China's dams would kill tens of million of Chinese. flooding cropland and destroying industries.
that would be a last resort IMO. if China dared to attack Tokyo.

Those dams were built to withstand nuclear attack

 

[tonyget]

I am just merely stating If China can develop their own ballistic missile and stating they can reach Guam, Okinawa, Tokyo and any other places in Pacific why the Japanese can't do the same? Actually China aggressiveness toward Japan these days is part of fact if Japan can't do a lot of shit to deter China defense layer in their mainland, but the China side actually can hurt Japan very bad with their offensive weapons such as long range ballistic missile.

You do realize that Japan is under US protection right ?

 

[Genesis]

China has a more problems with their neighbor than Japan, that's why their resources will be divided to facing those multiple threats. As Japan, they need only to make a deal with China and little bit cautious against South Korea and North Korea.

While we may need half a million men for just the invasion of even Vietnam, but for defense, just Chengdu military region would be enough to deal with any incoming forces to the South.

If Japan does approve larger military spending they should focus on ASMs
Japan needs some Coastal ASM complexes

my vote is for Bastion-P
put a few of them complexes on Japan Islands to the South and West and watch the Chinese rage


P-800 Yakhont 3M-55
P-800 Bolid
SS-N-26

why would we rage? We have thousands around our coast able to take out the world's navy quite a few times, only fair others should also have missiles.

Yes, Japan also does not need that large an air-force as it's primary threat only comes from one direction.

That is why that even though it's defence spending is around the same as France, it's Navy is more powerful.

I forsee the Japanese raising the proportion of spending on defence to around 2% of GDP over the next 10-15 years with the majority of this funding going into the Navy. The days of Japan once again having huge aircraft carriers will come again soon.

Huge ACs? Doubt it, those are too expensive for Japan to maintain. I mean like you said threat comes from one direction. ACs don't work on major powers, only on small nations that can't do anything about them.

Besides, Japan is close enough to China, it's not that relevant in that context.

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Japan defense budget request highest ever as Abe boosts military
Officials seek ¥5.05 trillion amid Abe's security push
by Kiyoshi Takenaka
Reuters

• Aug 29, 2014
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Japan’s defense planners are seeking their biggest budget ever for the coming fiscal year, including a bulk order of patrol planes and a stealthier submarine, as Prime Minister Shinzo Abe bolsters the military in the face of a territorial spat with China and North Korea’s nuclear program.

The Defense Ministry on Friday requested a 3.5 percent increase to ¥5.05 trillion for the fiscal year starting next April. If approved, it would be the third annual increase in a row and would more than reverse the decade of cuts Abe ended after coming to office in December 2012.

The hawkish premier, taking a more assertive stance on national security, has also ended a ban on Japanese soldiers fighting abroad and eased curbs on weapons exports.

By testing the constraints of Japan’s pacifist postwar Constitution, Abe has angered some neighbors, especially Beijing, which accuses him of reviving the nation’s wartime militarism.

Japan, in turn, is wary of the rapid military buildup in China, which has overtaken Japan in recent years as the world’s second-biggest economy. Beijing’s military budget has jumped fourfold over the past decade to 808 billion yuan ($132 billion), nearly triple Japan’s.

In recent years, Sino-Japanese tensions have ramped up over the ownership of a group of uninhabited islets in the East China Sea. Patrol ships and military planes from both countries now routinely shadow each other in the area.

In a bid to better protect remote islands, the Defense Ministry wants to buy six F-35 stealth fighters from Lockheed Martin Corp. as well as 20 P-1 patrol planes from Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd. — a bulk purchase to cut per-unit cost.

The government says procurement reform, including bulk purchases for multiyear projects, will save ¥700 billion over five years.

In another request meant to patrol the waters plied by China, the ministry is seeking ¥64.4 billion for an upgraded Soryu class submarine, which can stay submerged far longer than the sub of the same class it requested for this fiscal year for 20 percent less.

The new sub has a propulsion system that uses long-running lithium-ion batteries, replacing one that used liquid oxygen to run a diesel engine, allowing it to stay underwater for around two weeks. The new design allows a “significant extension to the submarine’s ability to stay submerged,” a ministry official said.

Australia has said it is interested in the Soryu design as a possible replacement for its Collins class subs, which need to suck air through a snorkel at the surface to use their diesel engines while submerged.

Japan’s shopping list also includes unmanned surveillance planes and tilt-rotor aircraft that take off and land like a helicopter but fly like a plane, as the government aims to boost its monitoring and troop-deployment capabilities.

The ministry does not specify which models of tilt-rotor aircraft and unmanned drones it has in mind because talks with potential suppliers are ongoing, but the V-22 Osprey, built by Boeing Co. and Bell Helicopter, is the only tilt-rotor plane in military use — including by U.S. forces in Japan.

Besides cutting-edge weapons, the budget request is boosted by the planned replacement of aging government planes, used for purposes such as the prime minister’s overseas trips — akin to the U.S. president’s Air Force One — with two of Boeing’s 777-300ER jets.

When expenses for the new government planes and costs associated with the realignment of U.S. forces in Japan are excluded, the budget request comes to ¥4.9 trillion, up 2.4 percent from this year.

The Defense Ministry is also eyeing North Korea, seeking its seventh destroyer equipped with the Aegis ballistic-missile defense system.

“We will fortify our system of defending the whole of our country continuously and in a multi-layered fashion against ballistic missile attacks,” the ministry said in a statement.

Much of the Japan sits within range of North Korea’s mid-range Rodong missiles. The ministry’s latest white paper calls Pyongyang’s military activity a grave destabilizing factor for Japan and the rest of the world.

It's hilarious how some people's mind works, while China repeatedly say we are no match for the US, others continue to say they can match us despite, even the article admits they only spend 1/3rd of our budget.

For a full invasion force, Japan would need more than 2 million well trained men, I mean 2 million more after they take out the existing 2 million Chinese soldiers and the hundreds of thousands of active reserves, as well as millions of trained men that can be called up in case of war.

Without this, any build up is really pointless, as it cannot dent the Chinese military industrial complex, and even if somehow we do lose, we can just continue to throw men and weapons until we do win.

ayyyyyyyyyyyye lmao

Japan needs to increase military spending to 3% of GDP

I agree, China must also spend 3%, 1.4% is too little. One of the reasons we can increase our budget so much is we really is n't spending that much in the first place.

If Japan was to spend all this extra money on the Navy, then the Japanese Navy would be able to match the Chinese toe-to-toe for a long time.

0.5% of GDP is around 30 billion dollars and would give the Japanese military a massive boost.

Really? I seen the recent Japanese plans, impressive for pretty much any nation other than China or US. Just in terms of carriers, we will have I think one less full carrier than their helicopter carriers by the end of the decade, of course I'm talking confirmed plans, not fantasy carrier plans. If we are to throw fantasy into this we got some dreamers in China as well.

Remember China spends 37 billion this year just buying new equipment, and this increases every year.

A few well placed missiles to China's dams would kill tens of million of Chinese. flooding cropland and destroying industries.
that would be a last resort IMO. if China dared to attack Tokyo.

Millions? I'm sure if even 20 civilian is killed Nukes would start to rain on Japan, which is why your own country doesn't even dare to attack China's mainland.

And why would we attack Tokyo, we have business interests there, you see we need to think past the war, if there is one.

You are probably a real American, you should know that. Come on.

never say never
if someone nuked New York I think that would be an act of war and they would suffer the same fate 100X over.

yea, we don't need others to suffer 100x the fate, just the one time destruction is fine with us.

We are nice like that you see.

I'm in agreement here. It's long past time for Japan to develop its own cruise/ballistic missile force. It'll act as a strong counterbalance to China.

didn't work for China with the US in the 70s or today, and it won't work for Japan. The size of the two country is too much for anti access to work.

Almost nothing short of matching the US strength in all sectors will deter the US and the same is true for China. A few cruise missiles means nothing.

I am just merely stating If China can develop their own ballistic missile and stating they can reach Guam, Okinawa, Tokyo and any other places in Pacific why the Japanese can't do the same? Actually China aggressiveness toward Japan these days is part of fact if Japan can't do a lot of shit to deter China defense layer in their mainland, but the China side actually can hurt Japan very bad with their offensive weapons such as long range ballistic missile.

again, we can hit the US mainland if we wish, didn't really deter the US from anything did it? Neither will this.

Nuclear forces may be in play for the great powers, but in terms of perception it is conventional forces that is the name of the game.




I have never seen any article or people that describe the great game of 21st century is between China and Japan, that's because it isn't. US isn't threaten by Iran that much is it.

 

[CrushingForce]

Japan is going to gamble its national destiny on a local high tech war in the East China Sea. The Celestial Empire annihilated Yamato fleets numerous times in history. With Japan weakened after 70 years of imposed peace and aging demographics, today's Japan is no match at all for a rising China. With USA stretched from Eastern Europe to Middle East, Japan is all alone facing certain defeat at Chinese hands. They can try to go nuclear but immediately within minutes both China and Russia will launch strikes on civilian nuclear power plants to disperse fissile material on to Japanese population centers. The fourth nuking will be the last act of unified Japan before it breaks apart into small kingdoms like before Hideyoshi. Of course Akihito and his clan will be annihilated in our air and missile strikes.

 

[sahaliyan]

I agree with Sahaliyan, I dont think there will be any war between China and Japan. some members here are just too fanboyish IMO. they should be more realistic. Why will China attack Japan mainland when Japan has a defence treaty with the U.S? In fact China will benefit nothing in doing so, it will be the opposite, since she stands to loose everything from a response of the U.S nad international community if she attacks Japan first. Same if Japan attacks China first. So they will be no war between the two. The thing is that time is on China's side(and their leaders know this), so i think she will just bide her time to the point when she has completed at least the first stage of her development cycle which will be say a decade or two from now,by this time, it will be so big both Militarily and Economically(at least 5 times its nearest rival in Asia i think) that no country in the region will even stand a chance against them(except the U.S of course). So until then there might be tough talk/little skirmishes here and there around the senkakus/diayous islands, but there wont be any war per say.

We should note that despite all the talks of war/tension/bad blood between the 2 countries, China and Japan still trade alot among each other more than any country in Asia. So both of their leaders both know they need each other(though to be honest, Japan needs China's market even more) so they are both pragmatic. I think countries in the region like India should take a lesson from this, since i find it surprising that Chinas trade with Japan(a country of 150million and who china regards more negatively than India) is at least 4-5 times that of Chinas trade with India(a country of a billion plus people), same with India-pakistan trade which is almost meaningless/non existing. South Asia can sure learn alot from East Asia. They should learn to seperate Business with politics. This will lea to more development/intergration in the region.

However, i welcome Japans increasingly pro active role in the world, and an increase in their defence budget is part of this. This is a welcome development since Japan has to learn to play/be more active in world affairs/issues. However it will be even more better if Japan can first solve her world war II issues with her neighbours and apologise sincerly, else this will be seen negatively by her neighbours first of which is China and most of all South Korea. The later is even more critical since South Korea still sees Japan as an existential threat to it, and the constant war crimes/sexual slavery denials/war criminals commomeration by Japanese leaders makes matter worst. Japan so try and face its history so it can gain the trust of South Korea, else this will complicate matters and make it easier for China. Luckily for Japan the U.S still has troops/controls South Korea, so it still uses its influence/power to calm down/pressure south Korea in not taking agressive steps against Japan and not getting to close to China. However as China grows stringer each passing year/decade it will be more and difficult for the U.S to maintain this balance, considering the shift in power in the region. So Japan should take action now to gain south koreas trust(though i know it will take a long time).

All the best to Japan.

I don't against Japan to spend more in military,however I think Japan should have an independent policy,somethings may harm their interests,if Americans want to operate a war in middle east,like Bush did to Iraq,should Japan also sent troops there,even though it's not Japan's business and will harm Japanese interests(so far,there is no terrorist attack to Japan,but if Japan follow the US ME policy,then they will get the attention of terrorists),so I think they should careful

 

[$@rJen]

It's hilarious how some people's mind works, while China repeatedly say we are no match for the US, others continue to say they can match us despite, even the article admits they only spend 1/3rd of our budget.
For a full invasion force, Japan would need more than 2 million well trained men, I mean 2 million more after they take out the existing 2 million Chinese soldiers and the hundreds of thousands of active reserves, as well as millions of trained men that can be called up in case of war.
Without this, any build up is really pointless, as it cannot dent the Chinese military industrial complex, and even if somehow we do lose, we can just continue to throw men and weapons until we do win.

Where does the article say anything about Japanese invasion??? Stop blabbering.......

Japan is going to gamble its national destiny on a local high tech war in the East China Sea. The Celestial Empire annihilated Yamato fleets numerous times in history. With Japan weakened after 70 years of imposed peace and aging demographics, today's Japan is no match at all for a rising China. With USA stretched from Eastern Europe to Middle East, Japan is all alone facing certain defeat at Chinese hands. They can try to go nuclear but immediately within minutes both China and Russia will launch strikes on civilian nuclear power plants to disperse fissile material on to Japanese population centers. The fourth nuking will be the last act of unified Japan before it breaks apart into small kingdoms like before Hideyoshi. Of course Akihito and his clan will be annihilated in our air and missile strikes.

Again.... Kid do you''ve any idea about the things you're saying

 

[Genesis]

Where does the article say anything about Japanese invasion??? Stop blabbering.......

Did the last sentence not say why I said that. Did I say because of this increase Japan will invade.

Funny you quoted the part that also said funny how some people's mind work. lol

 

[sahaliyan]

There will be no war between China and Japan,and I also can say,there will be no war between China and US,yes China and US are rivals,the Obama regime's actions proved that(yes,I use the word regime for Obama and his democrat government),but all they will do is just play games,will not direct go to war,so you war mongrels all should calm down
Also I should remind here,there is no haterd toward Japan in Russia,don't fool yourself,in reality,the Japanese sanction is softest among the sanctions to Russia

 

[$@rJen]

Did the last sentence not say why I said that. Did I say because of this increase Japan will invade.

Funny you quoted the part that also said funny how some people's mind work. lol

really.... Dude, your whole argument is pointless... in spite of whatever your last sentence says....

@Genesis

I don't see any sense in your last sentence

""
It's hilarious how some people's mind works, while China repeatedly say we are no match for the US, others continue to say they can match us despite, even the article admits they only spend 1/3rd of our budget.

For a full invasion force, Japan would need more than 2 million well trained men, I mean 2 million more after they take out the existing 2 million Chinese soldiers and the hundreds of thousands of active reserves, as well as millions of trained men that can be called up in case of war.

Without this, any build up is really pointless, as it cannot dent the Chinese military industrial complex, and even if somehow we do lose, we can just continue to throw men and weapons until we do win."""

Source: Japan defense budget request highest ever as Abe boosts military | Page 4

 

[Genesis]

really.... Dude, your whole argument is pointless... in spite of whatever your last sentence says....

@Genesis

I don't see any sense in your last sentence

""
It's hilarious how some people's mind works, while China repeatedly say we are no match for the US, others continue to say they can match us despite, even the article admits they only spend 1/3rd of our budget.

For a full invasion force, Japan would need more than 2 million well trained men, I mean 2 million more after they take out the existing 2 million Chinese soldiers and the hundreds of thousands of active reserves, as well as millions of trained men that can be called up in case of war.

Without this, any build up is really pointless, as it cannot dent the Chinese military industrial complex, and even if somehow we do lose, we can just continue to throw men and weapons until we do win."""

Source: Japan defense budget request highest ever as Abe boosts military | Page 4

I know what I posted dude.

No sense, why? It could be, but why is it, this is a forum, you may be new, but here we discuss things, if everyone just post this makes no sense without saying why, then what are we doing here really.

 

[$@rJen]

I know what I posted dude.

No sense, why? It could be, but why is it, this is a forum, you may be new, but here we discuss things, if everyone just post this makes no sense without saying why, then what are we doing here really.

Dude, I'm only referring to your quote to me.... Japanese are neveer going to invade, if there's an invasion its going to come from China. and your last sentence doesn't backup about any of the first two sentences.

 

[Genesis]

Dude, I'm only referring to your quote to me.... Japanese are neveer going to invade, if there's an invasion its going to come from China. and your last sentence doesn't backup about any of the first two sentences.

I know they are never going to invade, again. The point wasn't that they are, but that in order to actually win and halt Chinese military advances and build up, as well as reinforcements, they or anybody else would need to do that, just as we also need to, if we are at war.

And again, you didn't backup why my point didn't make sense, I mean other than your misunderstood view of what my post meant.

 

[$@rJen]

I know they are never going to invade, again. The point wasn't that they are, but that in order to actually win and halt Chinese military advances and build up, as well as reinforcements, they or anybody else would need to do that, just as we also need to, if we are at war

Well in this case..... you're clearly under estimating the JDF... Actually i wonder if you can break their defences... And if your stating to the Senakaku Island its very tough for both parties to finish the task...and there's no way for China to put 2 million troops on that island ir it wouldn't need 2 million troops for that job..

 

[Beidou2020]

GDP doesn't show the national taxable.



compare to 140 million with 5 pizza each person, 1400 million with 1 pizza each person
what remain if each person eat up 1 of his own pizza.

Economic size is the basis of power.

The bigger the economy, the greater the taxable base. The greater the taxable base, the more fiscal revenue the government can get from the public. The more revenue the government has, the higher the spending budget of the government.

The government can spend as much as it wants, but if they want to spend way beyond what the government has in revenue, then it has to run a big deficit.

If the government wants to increase spending and keep a small deficit, then it has to increase revenue.

The bigger the economy, the more revenue the government can ask from the public.

If the economy is small, the government don't have the ability to increase revenue as the economy can't support it. This causes the government to run massive deficits if it wants to increase spending.

China can dramatically increase the spending and keep a small budget deficit if it demands an increase in revenue from the taxable base.

You clearly have limited thinking skills, if you think the size of an economy is irrelevant