Japan Defence Forum

[samsara]

Everyone has an opinion of course, your free to your own, so long as it is CCP-approved.

Save your retard "CCP-approved" phrase. I ain't even a subject of PRC.

Do you think anyone will lose his sanity and clear mindset and just be brainwashed by the Fake News (TM) manufacturer aka. mainstream media (MSM) narrative like yourself?

Some suggestion: do not drink Kool-aid.

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“I want the Rape of Nanking to penetrate into public consciousness. Unless we truly understand how these atrocities can happen, we can't be certain that it won't happen again.”

“If the Japanese government doesn’t reckon with the crimes of its wartime leaders, history is going to leave them as tainted as their ancestors. You can’t blame this generation for what happened years ago, but you can blame them for not acknowledging these crimes.”

“Denial is an integral part of atrocity, and it’s a natural part after a society has committed genocide. First you kill, and then the memory of killing is killed.

~ Iris Chang (1968 ~ 2004) - http://www.irischang.net/
The author of the 'Thread of the Silkworm' (1995), 'The Rape of Nanking' (1997), 'The Chinese in America' (2003)

 

[Suika]

Save your retard "CCP-approved" phrase. I ain't even a subject of PRC.

Do you think anyone will lose his sanity and clear mindset and just be brainwashed by the mainstream media (MSM) narrative like yourself?

Well, plenty of pictures in this thread show both US and Japanese military forces together. Do you not see those pictures?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Bold letters and blue font in attempt of increasing persuasion power?

It's over 70 years ago. Countries can and do change. Germany has changed. Japan has changed. The US smashed Imperial Japan real good. Completely destroyed that empire. And yet, for some reason now, the same country that destroyed the Empire of Japan is advocating the military support from Japan because China does not appreciate the world order that the US has created after WW2. The same world order that enabled China's great economic raise in the past 3 decades. CCP has some strange ideas.

We Chinese copy thing such plane, car...junks but we live we our soul and culture, we don't blindly follow US with their fake world order serve nobody but themselves, your government knew that too simply they didn't have the choice. if you know some Kanji you should know 两害相权取其轻，两利相权取其重, so Japan just chose the best for itself.

 

[Suika]

We Chinese copy thing such plane, car...junks but we live we our soul and culture, we don't blindly follow US with their fake world order serve nobody but themselves, your government knew that too simply they didn't have the choice. if you know some Kanji you should know 两害相权取其轻，两利相权取其重, so Japan just chose the best for itself.

Japan does choose for itself. Their ministry of defense and their defense outlines always stress the importance of the US-Japan alliance. It is not blindly following, give the Japanese a little more credit then that..

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Japan does choose for itself. Their ministry of defense and their defense outlines always stress the importance of the US-Japan alliance. It is not blindly following, give the Japanese a little more credit then that..

That's not true, it's not a free will Alliance but an arm twisted alliance: if Japan has the choice to kick US out, you think your government will stay idle? Japanese is nationalist as Chinese, they certainly want an independent foreign policy, not to be lectured by US all the time such AIIB which Japan wanted to join but collapse under US pressure.

 

[Suika]

That's not true, it's not a free will Alliance but an arm twisted alliance: if Japan has the choice to kick US out, you think your government will stay idle? Japanese is nationalist as Chinese, they certainly want an independent foreign policy, not to be lectured by US all the time such AIIB which Japan wanted to join but collapse under US pressure.

Funny how you lecture what the Japanese want and don't want. I listen to lots of "right-wing" stuff all the time. They definitely do support the US-Japan alliance. What they do not like is all the Chinese expansionism thats going on in the South China Sea. And they especially do not like China asserting it's claim on the Senkaku islands and sending Chinese Coast Guard ships to patrol within the territorial waters of the Senkaku islands. But Japan also knows that China is a much larger country. And having friends is a good way to ensure long term well being. The US is the bigger country, and there are things that the right wing doesn not like about the US, but a good friend still, and overall Japanese support for the US is very high.

Compare the levels of feelings of affinity that Japan has towards both the US and China.

Towards the US

Towards China

Here is the survey with that and much more information.
http://survey.gov-online.go.jp/h28/h28-gaiko/summary.pdf

Right now, the US media has lost a lot of credibility. But just because US media lost credibility doesn't necessarily mean that PRC media is more accurate. If PRC media (or whatever media, books, materials, etc. that you use) leads you to believe that the Japanese do not desire the US-Japan alliance, than you are gravely mistaken. Or.. you are just intentionally spreading disinformation. I guess it depends on how the troll meter measures your posts overall. Which is it? Are you innocently fooled or are you a troll?

 

[samsara]

Funny how you lecture what the Japanese want and don't want. I listen to lots of "right-wing" stuff all the time. They definitely do support the US-Japan alliance. What they do not like is all the Chinese expansionism thats going on in the South China Sea. And they especially do not like China asserting it's claim on the Senkaku islands and sending Chinese Coast Guard ships to patrol within the territorial waters of the Senkaku islands. But Japan also knows that China is a much larger country. And having friends is a good way to ensure long term well being. The US is the bigger country, and there are things that the right wing doesn not like about the US, but a good friend still, and overall Japanese support for the US is very high.

Compare the levels of feelings of affinity that Japan has towards both the US and China.

Towards the US

Towards China

Here is the survey with that and much more information.
http://survey.gov-online.go.jp/h28/h28-gaiko/summary.pdf

Right now, the US media has lost a lot of credibility. But just because US media lost credibility doesn't necessarily mean that PRC media is more accurate. If PRC media (or whatever media, books, materials, etc. that you use) leads you to believe that the Japanese do not desire the US-Japan alliance, than you are gravely mistaken. Or.. you are just intentionally spreading disinformation. I guess it depends on how the troll meter measures your posts overall. Which is it? Are you innocently fooled or are you a troll?

"And they especially do not like China asserting it's claim on the Senkaku islands and sending Chinese Coast Guard ships to patrol within the territorial waters of the Senkaku islands."

Yeah, and the Chinese people definitely enjoy very much the Shimonoseki Treaty (1895)... just to name one of the many!


Btw, several years ago former Premier Yukio Hatoyama tried to say "NO" to the Uncle Sam, then his govt was soon shortlived.

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Ignorance is bliss, reality is not.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Funny how you lecture what the Japanese want and don't want. I listen to lots of "right-wing" stuff all the time. They definitely do support the US-Japan alliance. What they do not like is all the Chinese expansionism thats going on in the SOuth China Sea. And they especially do not like China asserted it's claim on the Senkaku islands and sending Chinese Coast Guard ships to patrol within the territorial waters of the Senkaku islands. But Japan also nows that China is a much larger country. And having friends is a good way to ensure long term well being. The US is the bigger country, and there are things that the right wing doesn not like about the US, but a good friend still, and overall Japanese support for the US is very high.

Compare the levels of feelings of affinity that Japan has towards both the US and China.

No I'm not lecturing Japanese anything I just state the fact, Japan can do what it want with US. And I don't want to go over with you to debate Diaoyu Islands since China and Japan want to push aside this issue to not deteriorate our relation, let this for future people to deal with it. If building our artificial island is consider as expansionism, what about Japan's 沖ノ鳥島? We're rightful owner of these SCS islands that even US did not dare to say otherwise, the only concern they have is just a free navigation which they afraid China will use as choking point as US in strait of Malacca.

 

[Suika]

"And they especially do not like China asserting it's claim on the Senkaku islands and sending Chinese Coast Guard ships to patrol within the territorial waters of the Senkaku islands."

Yeah, and the Chinese people definitely enjoy very much the Shimonoseki Treaty (1895)... just to name one of the many!


Btw, several years ago former Premier Yukio Hatoyama tried to say "NO" to the Uncle Sam, then his govt was soon shortlived.

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Ignorance is bliss, reality is not.

Hatoyama is not regarded very highly. Kind of like Bush, but for different reasons.

And you bring up another history thing.. even older, far older. Again, countries change.

 

[waz]

Do we have any ethnic Japanese posting on here?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Hatoyama is not regarded very highly. Kind of like Bush, but for different reasons.

And you bring up another history thing.. even older, far older. Again, countries change.

Yes Japan is changing but you can just brush away your pass and pretend nothing had happened.

 

[CHINA83NEWS]

@Hu Songshan ,

Sir, please can you take care of the trolling in this thread.

Are you Japanese right?

 

[Suika]

No I'm not lecturing Japanese anything I just state the fact, Japan can do what it want with US. And I don't want to go over with you to debate Diaoyu Islands since China and Japan want to push aside this issue to not deteriorate our relation, let this for future people to deal with it. If building our artificial island is consider as expansionism, what about Japan's 沖ノ鳥島? We're rightful owner of these SCS islands that even US did not dare to say otherwise, the only concern they have is just a free navigation which they afraid China will use as choking point as US in strait of Malacca.

Okinotorishima? It is hypocritical of Japan. Even though it is clearly a reef and not an island, Japan is still claiming an EEZ around. But what kind of building has Japan done with Okinotorishima? How much building? Did Japan actually start massive resource extraction from it and its EEZ on an industrial level? No... Did Japan build a massive airbase on it? No... It's like, if one major country is going to completely disregard international laws like UNCLOS and build massive fake islands and military installations and air bases, even within the EEZs of an other country, then the game changes and Japan ought to do the same. BUt we'll see if China comes to it's sense first. If they don't, then it's hard to disagree with giving Japan the green light to go ahead and start developing the Okinotorishima area, with resource sharing with Taiwan of course.

China has no legitimate right over the SCS on a non-"might makes right" basis. Here is a presentation about the history of China's claim over the SCS.

 

[samsara]

Hatoyama is not regarded very highly. Kind of like Bush, but for different reasons.

And you bring up another history thing.. even older, far older. Again, countries change.

@Suika, what a bizarro, the Japanese govt laid down its claim on Diaoyu Islands (Japan calls it Senkaku Islands) based on the "old history", that is the Shimonoseki Treaty (1895), a consequential treaty resulted from the First Sino-Japanese War!

And you know, every time the Japanese govt asserts its claim by quoting the Shimonoseki Treaty (1895), it acts as if the Japan is rubbing salt into the [Chinese] wound.

 

[waz]

Are you Japanese right?

From what I know we have no Japanese posters at this point in time. There's two reasons for that, number one they are simply not interested in geo political affairs. Secondly their use of the English language, as a primary form of communication on the internet is minimal.