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In Germany , there is law for such. Can Germany worship Adolf HItler or pay tribute to him? No.

The KMT China who emerged one of the victors of WWII and obtain a UN permanent seat are too eager to resume civil war with communist China, forget all the terms and rules implement on loser side of WWII Japan.

If China after WWII is not at civil war. A proper UN solution draft to ban imperial Japan flag( Aka the rising sun) which imply the same nazi evil. Japan WWII A class criminals are not allowed to be worship or put in public shrine. Proper WWII compensation be given to China. US even suggest KMT China to station a number of Chinese troops after WWII to help in demilitarize of Imperial Japan. But stupid KMT is only keen in civil war and want to save as much manpower as possible for Chinese civil war and reject US invitation.
When did German law became international law?And what's with China desperately trying to connect Japan with nazi? that's your white mess worship mentality trying to receive legitimacy through western propaganda veneer,since you have no other resort.

Again designating someone as war criminal is ex post fact law,it's not some legit claim ,the one who wields the stick makes the claim;jungle laws.
Doughlas Mac Arthur's men killed 10% of koreans and they had orders like" kill everything that move" and yet Doughlas Mac Arthur is revered as hero,make sense?

A clear evidence that china is now indulging in selective use of history :
"As you have formally apologized for the death u have incurred in the path,it is not reasonable to ask you for the payment for those deaths,you cannot be asked to apologize for it every day can you,it not good for a nation to constantly feel guilty"-Mao to Japanese delegate,just a decade after WW2 .

"The Japanese managed to do nothing in Nanking" -Mao after the fall of Nanking .

In a response to PM Tanaka's apology, Mao answered that there was absolutely no need to apologize. After all, he said, without the Japanese invasion, the Communist revolution would never have succeeded.


But ,nationalism is now the dominant ideology, and the rulers have to prove their mettle, especially toward Japan.
Such a hyper nationalist nation is no different than Trump's America in practicality. For everything China is accusing Japan for with revisionist manufactured version of history,china committed worse crimes,the dynamics is similar to US gov currently accusing others in blanket hypocrisy.

BTW ,occupation isn't as simple as you think ,China had no occupation in Japan because US never wanted to share their prize ,which US believe ,the rest of the world did nothing much in defeat of Japan in asia pacific and secondly ,occupation is expensive business,even Great Britain fleed Japan due to over head expenditure ,China being much poorer than GB back then was in no position to pertake in occupation,
not that it matter,America was the sole leader of the world and their edict was the only thing that mattered,china had no role in Japan.


There are no grave in Yasukuni. It's the souls that are enshrined. Even the emperor no longer worship in Yasukuni after the souls of the war criminals were secretly enshrined without their knowledge. Japanese right wing has turned
Yasukuni into a center to glorified Japan WWII atrocities.


Shrine is like grave in shinto in many ways.
Way to play mental gymnastics by labeling a shrine akin to glorifying WW2 atrocities( or selective hypocritical version of atrocities).
What few Japanese does in their little shrine is of no business of China,Japan doesn' care what historical crap any Chinese worship does in their nation.
 
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When did German law became international law?And what's with China desperately trying to connect Japan with nazi? that's your white mess worship mentality trying to receive legitimacy through western propaganda veneer,since you have no other resort.

Again designating someone as war criminal is ex post fact law,it's not some legit claim ,the one who wields the stick makes the claim,;jungle laws.
Doughlas Mac Arthur's men killed 10% of koreans and they had orders like" kill everything that move" and yet Doughlas Mac Arthur is revered as hero,make sense?

A clear evidence that china is now indulging in selective use of history :
"As you have formally apologized for the death u have incurred in the path,it is not reasonable to ask you for the payment for those deaths,you cannot be asked to apologize for it every day can you,it not good for a nation to constantly feel guilty"-Mao to Japanese delegate,just a decade after WW2 .

"The Japanese managed to do nothing in Nanking" -Mao after the fall of banking .

In a response to PM Tanaka's apology, Mao answered that there was absolutely no need to apologize. After all, he said, without the Japanese invasion, the Communist revolution would never have succeeded.


But ,nationalism is now the dominant ideology, and the rulers have to prove their mettle, especially toward Japan.
Such a hyper nationalist nation is no different than trump's America in practicality. For everything China is accusing Japan with their revisionist manufactured version of history,China committed worse,the dynamics is similar to US gov currently accusing others in blanket hypocrisy.

BTW ,occupation isn't as simple as you think ,China had no occupation in Japan because US never wanted to share their prize ,which US believe ,the rest of the world did nothing much in defeat of Japan in asia pacific and secondly ,occupation is expensive business,even Great Britain fleed Japan due to over head expenditure ,China being much poorer than GB back then was in no position to pertake in occupation.
Not that it matter,America was the sole leader of the world and their edict was the only thing that mattered,china had no role in Japan.




Shrine is like grave in shinto in many ways.
Way to play mental gymnastics by labeling a shrine akin to glorifying WW2 atrocities( or selective hypocritical version of atrocities).
What few Japanese does in their little shrine is of no business of China,Japan doesn' care what historical crap any Chinese worship does in their nation.
Chinese are not dumb to follow everything Mao says and do. In China, many knows Mao great mistake in great leap , cultural revolution and his silly comment regards to Japan invasion of China in WWII. CPC now always ask Chinese to look at Maos contribution to China before the end of Korea War.

The western allies has set Germany a great example of repenting their mistakes from WWII. Asia is weak after WWII and China is in turmoil. There is no strong voice for Asia to make Japan do the correction for her atrocities in WWII.

Do u think we will still have the problem of Japan not repenting for their WWII mistakes if Japan return diaoyutai to China, throwing the ash of WWII Jap out of yasukuni shrine and build a memorial in Japan, reminding the Young's of the mistake of Japan in WWII, ban rising sun flag and never repeat again like Germany do.

Yasukuni shrine is a highly symbolic shrine where Japan worship great Japanese who contributed to Japan. Putting ash of the WWII criminal there. Does it mean Japanese now appreciate their barbarian effort in WWII in killing Asian and western allies for expanding Japan empire?

Macarthur action in Korea war shall be trial but who is going to do it? India?

China need to settle the issue with Japan for WWII correction of their past mistake. That is a more urgent issue.
 
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When did German law became international law?And what's with China desperately trying to connect Japan with nazi? that's your white mess worship mentality trying to receive legitimacy through western propaganda veneer,since you have no other resort.

Again designating someone as war criminal is ex post fact law,it's not some legit claim ,the one who wields the stick makes the claim,;jungle laws.
Doughlas Mac Arthur's men killed 10% of koreans and they had orders like" kill everything that move" and yet Doughlas Mac Arthur is revered as hero,make sense?

A clear evidence that china is now indulging in selective use of history :
"As you have formally apologized for the death u have incurred in the path,it is not reasonable to ask you for the payment for those deaths,you cannot be asked to apologize for it every day can you,it not good for a nation to constantly feel guilty"-Mao to Japanese delegate,just a decade after WW2 .

"The Japanese managed to do nothing in Nanking" -Mao after the fall of banking .

In a response to PM Tanaka's apology, Mao answered that there was absolutely no need to apologize. After all, he said, without the Japanese invasion, the Communist revolution would never have succeeded.


But ,nationalism is now the dominant ideology, and the rulers have to prove their mettle, especially toward Japan.
Such a hyper nationalist nation is no different than trump's America in practicality. For everything China is accusing Japan with their revisionist manufactured version of history,China committed worse,the dynamics is similar to US gov currently accusing others in blanket hypocrisy.

BTW ,occupation isn't as simple as you think ,China had no occupation in Japan because US never wanted to share their prize ,which US believe ,the rest of the world did nothing much in defeat of Japan in asia pacific and secondly ,occupation is expensive business,even Great Britain fleed Japan due to over head expenditure ,China being much poorer than GB back then was in no position to pertake in occupation.
Not that it matter,America was the sole leader of the world and their edict was the only thing that mattered,china had no role in Japan.




Shrine is like grave in shinto in many ways.
Way to play mental gymnastics by labeling a shrine akin to glorifying WW2 atrocities( or selective hypocritical version of atrocities).
What few Japanese does in their little shrine is of no business of China,Japan doesn' care what historical crap any Chinese worship does in their nation.
Errrr. No. All China request of Japan is that if you become the PM of Japan, for the period you hold that office, do not worship at Yasukuni because being a PM represent the country. That is all. This is a very reasonable request. However after you are no longer the PM China do not care how many times you worship at Yasukuni.

In fact the easiest solution is to remove the souls of the 14 class A war criminals from Yasukuni. Simple as that. Then the honor of thousands of Japanese warriors will be preserved.
 
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Chinese are not dumb to follow everything Mao says and do. In China, many knows Mao great mistake in great leap , cultural revolution and his silly comment regards to Japan invasion of China in WWII. CPC now always ask Chinese to look at Maos contribution to China before the end of Korea War.

The western allies has set Germany a great example of repenting their mistakes from WWII. Asia is weak after WWII and China is in turmoil. There is no strong voice for Asia to make Japan do the correction for her atrocities in WWII.

Do u think we will still have the problem of Japan not repenting for their WWII mistakes if Japan return diaoyutai to China, throwing the ash of WWII Jap out of yasukuni shrine and build a memorial in Japan, reminding the Young's of the mistake of Japan in WWII, ban rising sun flag and never repeat again like Germany do.

Yasukuni shrine is a highly symbolic shrine where Japan worship great Japanese who contributed to Japan. Putting ash of the WWII criminal there. Does it mean Japanese now appreciate their barbarian effort in WWII in killing Asian and western allies for expanding Japan empire?

Macarthur action in Korea war shall be trial but who is going to do it? India?

China need to settle the issue with Japan for WWII correction of their past mistake. That is a more urgent issue.

Chinese are not dumb to follow everything Mao says and do. In China, many knows Mao great mistake in great leap , cultural revolution and his silly comment regards to Japan invasion of China in WWII. CPC now always ask Chinese to look at Maos contribution to China before the end of Korea War.
Mao was no economist and made questionable policies regarding economic reforms but he was a "philosopher",he had a better sense of right and wrong more than any other Chinese leaders in history.
Deep inside he appreciated the Japanese efforts in Asia.
Mao's lessons provided the blueprint for Chinese development ,he's like the farmer that tilled the soil for future cultivation .

You worship Western policies when it's convenient. The anglo saxons make Nazi the evil they are because the anglo alliance won the war ,of course the winner had to justify their cause ,i.e., by vilifying nazi Germany which was direct with their anti-zionist approach and indeed ended up committing atrocities in the process( but still pales compared to the atrocities of anglo saxons). Germany is a typical western imperialist but a brutally honest one, unlike the scheming slandering anglo saxon,the nazi german even identified Japanese and Chinese as so called "Aryan of the east " in their term,and of equals,unlike the anglo saxons that planned to subjugate and slander Chinese and Japanese to psychologically preserve their supremacy propaganda across the globe. The Nazi regime had to be taken down ,Germany was the threat to anglo saxon hegemony before the Soviet and China.CCP will be vilified and dismembered just like nazi germany if anglo saxon alliance have its way in a war.

Do u think we will still have the problem of Japan not repenting for their WWII mistakes if Japan return diaoyutai to China, throwing the ash of WWII Jap out of yasukuni shrine and build a memorial in Japan, reminding the Young's of the mistake of Japan in WWII, ban rising sun flag and never repeat again like Germany do.

Macarthur action in Korea war shall be trial but who is going to do it? India?
Do you think China actually want to settle their beef with Japan? Lol
Why don't china demand Vladivostok returned to China? That's far bigger and more important region than some rocks in seas.
But ofcourse , that conflicts with Chinese political agenda for an amicable relationship with Russia,that's China's typical selective approach toward history.


Chinese have to fly to England and Europe to watch their national treasures that the western imperialst looted after destroying edifices of immeasurable value but y'all complain about the Japanese visiting their historical shrine ?

Do Chinese complain about Union Jack? like they selectively complain of Rising sun flag ?
which is simply a traditional symbol for japan rather than an ideology banner like nazi symbol ,rising sun was used much before ww2 and symbolizes luck and have no scandalous ideology like nazi swastika.
Yasukuni shrine is a highly symbolic shrine where Japan worship great Japanese who contributed to Japan. Putting ash of the WWII criminal there. Does it mean Japanese now appreciate their barbarian effort in WWII in killing Asian and western allies for expanding Japan empire?
Do you think Chinese didn't killed many thousands Japanese in ww2?or only your side of the story matters?
What do you think would have happened to Asia without Japan and their Dai Tōa Kyōeiken policy?

Do you think West would have ever left their colonies in Asia?
The west would have left Hongkong ,Macau,and various parts of china under their control like in Chefoo Tsingtao ,shanghai, shandong etc etc? tibet would have been part of china?Soviet would have lelf Manchuria?

Do you believe that in your heart?

Chiang Kai sek was the sole devil's advocate in Asia ,and was there to complement the spread of western imperialism using China as pivot.That's the WW2 era china's real legacy.China aided US for the imperialism we still see today.
Imagine if Western troops were still present in HK,MACAU and many parts of mainland china ,under a leader like chiang kaisek,the west would have balkanized China many times over.

China is an ancient civilization but the nation were never the most visionary ,contemporary, foresightful and didn't had the sets of idealistic rectitude to take on the mettle of freeing the world from Western imperialism in the imperialist era,hence China instead assisted western imperialism for the chance of serving as gatekeeper(that is until the west had need of). .
Japan is revolutionary,they are clear thinker and initiator that conceived reality(the risk of western imperialism in asia and on asian) and acted in manner that China could only imitate as a mere follower, all of which is evident till now.
China mainly sees the world from a veneer set by a precedent -communist/western ww2 history/decadent US policies,etc etc .

Even its economic and development model, from aid policies to banking and infrastructure, china is ditto of Japan . Japan has always set the precedent in Asia without which ,the world that we live in might not have been so nice for Asians.

If anything ,every asian regardless of his nationality owes their gratitude toward Japan for the freedom and development they enjoy today,Japan paid the price for that.
 
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Errrr. No. All China request of Japan is that if you become the PM of Japan, for the period you hold that office, do not worship at Yasukuni because being a PM represent the country. That is all. This is a very reasonable request. However after you are no longer the PM China do not care how many times you worship at Yasukuni.

In fact the easiest solution is to remove the souls of the 14 class A war criminals from Yasukuni. Simple as that. Then the honor of thousands of Japanese warriors will be preserved.
Each and every asian that enjoys a western colonization-free world today should pay their respect to Yasukini Shrine if they can,for without the sacrifice of those enshrined , you might be living in a world with " no XX and dogs allowed".
 
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China will soon lead a WWII condemnation against Japan. Demanding the removal of A class WWII Japan criminal from Yasukuni and comprehensive apologize for their barbaric act in WWII against many countries.

Surely countries like South and North Korea are eager to join. :enjoy:

they were not criminals and Japanese of today have nothing to do with Imperial Japan
 
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Each and every asian that enjoys a western colonization-free world today should pay their respect to Yasukini Shrine if they can,for without the sacrifice of those enshrined , you might be living in a world with " no XX and dogs allowed".
Errr. No. Japan lost the war. Yet that did not stop the independence of colonies all over the world.
 
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Errr. No. Japan lost the war. Yet that did not stop the independence of colonies all over the world.
The fire had already burnt the haystack before it was extinguished. Japan lost the war but it achieved what it had set out to do ,to protect japan from western invasion and remove western colonialism from asia, so I don't believe Japan truely lost,for they upheld what they set out to do .
Japan had already freed much of Asia-pacific from western control and started the revolution to end western colonialism. Rather than stacking up nitty gritty lines of pertaining to the topic, here some quotes from some important individuals from that era.

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All the prominent leaders in Asia openly supported Japanese effort and ethic,from south korea's Lee Chun hee to Nehru of India.
No wonder even Mao was not total anti Japan unlike western puppet Chiang kai sek.
But now ,no leader would speak such honest words due to chinese political pressure and historical revision conducted by the winner to justify their war effort.
 

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The fire had already burnt the haystack before it was extinguished. Japan lost the war but it achieved what it had set out to do ,to protect japan from western invasion and remove western colonialism from asia, so I don't believe Japan truely lost,for they upheld what they set out to do .
Japan had already freed much of Asia-pacific from western control and started the revolution to end western colonialism. Rather than stacking up nitty gritty lines of pertaining to the topic, here some quotes from some important individuals from that era.

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All the prominent leaders in Asia openly supported Japanese effort and ethic,from south korea's Lee Chun hee to Nehru of India.
No wonder even Mao was not total anti Japan unlike western puppet Chiang kai sek.
But now ,no leader would speak such honest words due to chinese political pressure and historical revision conducted by the winner to justify their war effort.
Yes and No. Yes the Japanese has indeed been the inspiration for modern Asia. Many Chinese revolutionaries studied in Japan. Yes Japan was the first Asian country in modern times to defeat a Western power. They may have kick out the Western power from SEA but no, they had no intention to give independent to any of the country they occupied. Except for the Chinese in Taiwan, they in fact treat the local population of all the countries they occupied badly. Their military culture was very violent. The higher rank beat up the lower rank and the lower rank beat up the even lower rank until lowest rank beat up the civilians. In Malaya they committed unspeakable atrocities especially to the local Chinese and drove the local Chinese to form the Malaya Peoples Anti Japanese Army (MPAJA).

Japan is way over rated. They have many dark sides. Despite being the 2nd largest economy in the world for much of the 70s and 80s. I only know of 1 or 2 Japanese celebrity like Kitaro, and 1 mix Taiwanese / Japanese actor and none are known world wide.

Do you know any ?
 
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Chinese are not dumb to follow everything Mao says and do. In China, many knows Mao great mistake in great leap , cultural revolution and his silly comment regards to Japan invasion of China in WWII. CPC now always ask Chinese to look at Maos contribution to China before the end of Korea War.

I would not want you to rounded & beaten up for talking ill about Mao
 
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Yes and No. Yes the Japanese has indeed been the inspiration for modern Asia. Many Chinese revolutionaries studied in Japan. Yes Japan was the first Asian country in modern times to defeat a Western power. They may have kick out the Western power from SEA but no, they had no intention to give independent to any of the country they occupied. Except for the Chinese in Taiwan, they in fact treat the local population of all the countries they occupied badly. Their military culture was very violent. The higher rank beat up the lower rank and the lower rank beat up the even lower rank until lowest rank beat up the civilians. In Malaya they committed unspeakable atrocities especially to the local Chinese and drove the local Chinese to form the Malaya Peoples Anti Japanese Army (MPAJA).

Japan is way over rated. They have many dark sides. Despite being the 2nd largest economy in the world for much of the 70s and 80s. I only know of 1 or 2 Japanese celebrity like Kitaro, and 1 mix Taiwanese / Japanese actor and none are known world wide.

Do you know any ?
How can you say Japan had no intention to give independent to any of the country the occupied when Japan didn't colonize any country other than Korea and taiwan,and both were pro -japan during that period ,for how the Japanese revolutionized their nation to the path of development from abject poverty.
Any nation in SEA would have been lucky to be colonized by Japan.
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The Chinese nationals were not any saint; a group of them let by Sun Yat sen and Wang Jingwei were enlightened and pan asia,while there's another group like Chiangkai sek ,on western agent's payroll, had incessantly attacked and harrassed Japanese soldiers and civilians alike,more than half a million Japanese was killed by those . Many Japanese civilians were killed and attacked by Chinese proxies in Malaysia.

Japan was fighting for pan Asia era,US fought for western imperialism,China aided the west in western imperialism in WW2 and now you are supporting the cause of the western imperialist against asia ,do you realise it? why so clueless.

Japanese military being one of the most atrocious is just one of the historical revision from millions other,nothing new.
No Japanese aren't saints ,but when one studies the history and traits of nations from Europe where each brick of their grand edifices is soaked in blood of those they subjugated or the way local warlords and dictators wreaked havoc in China ,that makes Japanese the most ideal civilians just like they are now. Nothing changed.

Read old book and history;Japanese are the most restrained and disciplined folk on earth and don't delude yourself to think ,it's some new thing post WW2,that's japanese societal trait based on Bushido
the foundation of Bushido are.

  • Rectitude or Justice. Bushido refers not only to martial rectitude, but to personal rectitude: Rectitude or Justice, is the strongest virtue of Bushido. ...
  • Courage. ...
  • Benevolence or Mercy. ...
  • Politeness. ...
  • Honesty and Sincerity. ...
  • Honor. ...
  • Loyalty. ...
  • Character and Self-Control.
The practice of labeling Japanese soldiers as most lawless one just defies simple logic,like iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubator.Any sane person would bet on the Japanese soldiers being better in their approach than local soldiers themselves in those era when people use to kill each other on whim.
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It's easy to accuse anyone now with staged claims we have all seen that,right?
 
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I don't understand Japan. Are they the true embodiment of "Stockholm Syndrome".

The USA has humiliated them by nuking their two cities. But they still stand with USA.

They have done sever injustice and committed barbaric acts against Chinese, but they still are against Chinese.

One nation which needs to answer to the world most is Japanese.
 
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I don't understand Japan. Are they the true embodiment of "Stockholm Syndrome".

The USA has humiliated them by nuking their two cities. But they still stand with USA.

They have done sever injustice and committed barbaric acts against Chinese, but they still are against Chinese.

One nation which needs to answer to the world most is Japanese.
When Japan lost the war ,US took over their heart and mind. US even drafted Japanese constitution,how can you expect such a nation to be not pro US ?especially when challenged by China & NK.
When China made it a political line to oppose Japan for it's internal political gain and geopolitical leverage ,Japan,being dependent on US military have no option but to side itself with USA.
 
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How can you say Japan had no intention to give independent to any of the country the occupied when Japan didn't colonize any country other than Korea and taiwan,and both were pro -japan during that period ,for how the Japanese revolutionized their nation to the path of development from abject poverty.
Any nation in SEA would have been lucky to be colonized by Japan.
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The Chinese nationals were not any saint; a group of them let by Sun Yat sen and Wang Jingwei were enlightened and pan asia,while there's another group like Chiangkai sek ,on western agent's payroll, had incessantly attacked and harrassed Japanese soldiers and civilians alike,more than half a million Japanese was killed by those . Many Japanese civilians were killed and attacked by Chinese proxies in Malaysia.

Japan was fighting for pan Asia era,US fighting for western imperialism,China aided the west in western imperialism in WW2 and now you are supporting the cause of the western imperialist against japan ,do you realise it? why so clueless.

Japanese military being one of the most atrocious is just one of the historical revision from millions other,nothing new.
No Japanese aren't saints ,but when one studies the history and traits of nations from Europe where each brick of their grand edifices is soaked in blood of those they subjugated or the way local warlords and dictators wreaked havoc in China ,that makes Japanese the most ideal civilians just like they are now. Nothing changed.

Read old book and history;Japanese are the most restrained and disciplined folk on earth and don't delude yourself to think ,it's some new thing post WW2,that's japanese societal trait based on Bushido
the foundation of Bushido are.

  • Rectitude or Justice. Bushido refers not only to martial rectitude, but to personal rectitude: Rectitude or Justice, is the strongest virtue of Bushido. ...
  • Courage. ...
  • Benevolence or Mercy. ...
  • Politeness. ...
  • Honesty and Sincerity. ...
  • Honor. ...
  • Loyalty. ...
  • Character and Self-Control.
The practice of labeling Japanese soldiers as most lawless one just defies simple logic,like iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubator.Any sane person would bet on the Japanese soldiers being better in their approach than local soldiers themselves in those era when people use to kill each other on whim.
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It's easy to accuse anyone now with staged claims we have all seen that,right?
Sorry. I stop reading after your first paragraph.

Japanese Bushido culture is just violence. Head gets chop off for any crime. Bushido culture allows Japanese soldiers to chop civilian head just for competition like in WWII and even published the results on the newspaper like there is nothing wrong. During the 70s the coach will slap their athletic when they lost even in front of the world stage. Japanese may be clean, polite and they pay attention to details. But their culture is not sophisticated. Their dark side are many. Like nobody dare to stand out. Their office workers in the 70s all wear a dark suit, a hat and an umbrella. All looks the same. That is why you cannot name a single Japanese that is famous workwide. During the Tsunami in 2011, nobody scream or cry. They are all robots. Another dark side is their extreme loyalty. They are also very seniority base. Young people will struggle to stand out. Their women also are not equally treated.

They have practically zero philosophers that is known world wide. Zero actress zero athletic nothing.

Japanese culture is way way over rated.

If you want to really want to understand the art of war. Look no further then Sun Tzu.
 
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they were not criminals and Japanese of today have nothing to do with Imperial Japan
Then why are they worshipping A class criminal in yasukuni shrine? Did Germans now worship Goering?
 
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