Jailing Muslims, burning Bibles, & forcing monks to wave the flag: How Jinping is attacking religion

[beijingwalker]

India too is an ancient civilisation, more ancient than Chinese. So, China is not the only civilisation to survive.

Uighurs were always the problem from beginning. Just read how they continually attacked Chinese & Tibetans since they became Muslims

India is a British made country, so fractious with so many ethnic groups, China is always what she is.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Nothing to do with being Muslims.
Since ancient times, Muslim Chinese had been very loyal to China.
From Admiral Zheng He to the Muslim generals and warriors who fought bravely to unite what is China today.

India was never united, but by foreign empires.
The foreigners did not rule as Indians nor became Indians.
India was formed only when the British came and gave India its name.

Maybe India will rise in the future but it is not the same ancient India.
Your language is different.
Sanscrit is not from India, but is first found in Syria.
DNA is different and the search for your myraid origins is still going on.
That's as far as I know, being not well versed in Indian history.

India had the potential to rise, but sadly after 70 years, it is still GOT POTENTIAL.
Especially after Nehru became leader of the non-aligned movement.
Now sadly India is better known for slumdogs, gang rapes and open defecation.
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India does not have natural resource to rise like China. India does not even have nickel to make stainless steel!! India can never rise as long as majority of the natural resource in other countries deplete. The main resource is petroleum and that is seen depleting to reach its end soon. So, India can dominate only after the oil in key country like USA depletes

India had been united, but not ethnically or by kingdoms. It was united by civilisation and preaching by Brahmans. It was like Christian Roman empire with Pope as unifying factor. So, it was not united in land but culture. Yes, there have been losses but it still survives.

The Dharma extended even till Europe (Greek knowledge is a derivative of links with India) an the language of Sanskrit was also widespread even in Europe. Languages like Latin could have been derived from Sanskrit itself given close similarity. Racial varuiety of Indians have always been varied as importance was given on cuolture, not ethnicity.

India is a British made country, so fractious with so many ethnic groups, China is always what she is.

Except for 17% of Abrahamic population, there is not much of a problem with other ethnicity. India is not a racial homogenous entity and never intends to be. In fact, Indian culture seeks heterogenous racial structure to ensure proper division of labour. What unifies is culture and Dharma, not race. China, Japan etc focus more on race unlike India and hence it may appear like it is a chaotic scenario in India from that viewpoint, but it is not. Indians are so sued to having relatives some of who are black, white, curly haired, tall or short etc that race is simply irrelevant except for making some casual jokes. None will discriminate in terms of job or position because of race.

So, it is not fractious as you think

 

[nahtanbob]

Hopefully you are only trolling and not because you are ignorant that the poor economic and war refugees will prefer to migrate to the rich countries discriminated or not.
Open your eyes and you will see Muslim Rohinyas will gladly skip Muslim Indonesia and prefer rich STOLEN land of Australia.
Even my children prefer high pay with lazy working hours and big house in Australia instead of working long hours in Singapore.
Only con is it is a bit boring in Australia, else I would go there too.
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I get your general point. Hispanics are not coming from war torn countries. Plus they do hard work - farm labor, construction in USA

 

[sinait]

India does not have natural resource to rise like China. India does not even have nickel to make stainless steel!! India can never rise as long as majority of the natural resource in other countries deplete. The main resource is petroleum and that is seen depleting to reach its end soon. So, India can dominate only after the oil in key country like USA depletes

India had been united, but not ethnically or by kingdoms. It was united by civilisation and preaching by Brahmans. It was like Christian Roman empire with Pope as unifying factor. So, it was not united in land but culture. Yes, there have been losses but it still survives.

The Dharma extended even till Europe (Greek knowledge is a derivative of links with India) an the language of Sanskrit was also widespread even in Europe. Languages like Latin could have been derived from Sanskrit itself given close similarity. Racial varuiety of Indians have always been varied as importance was given on cuolture, not ethnicity.


Except for 17% of Abrahamic population, there is not much of a problem with other ethnicity. India is not a racial homogenous entity and never intends to be. In fact, Indian culture seeks heterogenous racial structure to ensure proper division of labour. What unifies is culture and Dharma, not race. China, Japan etc focus more on race unlike India and hence it may appear like it is a chaotic scenario in India from that viewpoint, but it is not. Indians are so sued to having relatives some of who are black, white, curly haired, tall or short etc that race is simply irrelevant except for making some casual jokes. None will discriminate in terms of job or position because of race.

So, it is not fractious as you think

Singapore also does not have much resources, in fact NIL.
India made a good start capturing offshoring and IT services, and India had relatively vast amounts of arable land.
But unfortunately, for whatever reasons, India neglected the manufacturing sector which would provide the massive employment opportunities.
I noticed in Singapore, Indian Singaporeans are not as strong in maths and science, but very good at linguistic skills and end up being successful lawyers and bankers.
That may explain why manufacturing did not take off in India.
It takes a lot of technical brain and hard work to make products that work but at very low prices.

Even then, if not for GANG RAPE, FILTH, Polluted and E COLI infested air, tourist arrivals should be in the tens of million instead of the measely 10 million to provide massive tourist income rivalling France.
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[Smarana Mitra]

Singapore also does not have much resources, in fact NIL.
India made a good start capturing offshoring and IT services, and India had relatively vast amounts of arable land.
But unfortunately, for whatever reasons, India neglected the manufacturing sector which would provide the massive employment opportunities.
I noticed in Singapore, Indian Singaporeans are not as strong in maths and science, but very good at linguistic skills and end up being successful lawyers and bankers.
That may explain why manufacturing did not take off in India.
It takes a lot of technical brain and hard work to make products that work but at very low prices.

Even then, if not for GANG RAPE, FILTH, Polluted and E COLI infested air, tourist arrivals should be in the tens of million instead of the measely 10 million to provide massive tourist income rivalling France.
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Singapore is a small city. In 1965, Singaporean PM was crying after Malaysia kicked it out. He was saying taht Singapore has no food or water. But it was due to Singaporean strategic location in Malacca and the unreliability of Muslim countries around it that makes Singapore a special port location and hence its richness.

Indian math and analytical skills are quite good. But manufacturing requires vast manual labour and natural resource. India only has arable land as resource but not enough other minerals and oil. It does not take technical brain to make things as machines do most of the job.

Technical skill is needed for software coding. IT is a work of the mind and Indians excel in it. Even lawyership is a work of the mind and Indians excel in that too. It is lack of resource that hinders manufacturing industry. India also has large population like China but lacks the resources. But Indian talent was enormous that India started IT industry to make up for the resource deficit. Chinese, on the other hand are poor in maths and hence indulge in harder work. Also, access to resource makes it easier to get hard work like mining and manufacturing.

It is not that China or USA or Russia does not have gang rapes. Filth is unavoidable as large population leads to littering and pollution. India never tried to attract tourists and hence does not have a robust tourism industry. Moreover, India did not have roads and other infrastructure widespread till 2000.

 

[Nike]

Singapore is a small city. In 1965, Singaporean PM was crying after Malaysia kicked it out. He was saying taht Singapore has no food or water. But it was due to Singaporean strategic location in Malacca and the unreliability of Muslim countries around it that makes Singapore a special port location and hence its richness.

Indian math and analytical skills are quite good. But manufacturing requires vast manual labour and natural resource. India only has arable land as resource but not enough other minerals and oil. It does not take technical brain to make things as machines do most of the job.

Technical skill is needed for software coding. IT is a work of the mind and Indians excel in it. Even lawyership is a work of the mind and Indians excel in that too. It is lack of resource that hinders manufacturing industry. India also has large population like China but lacks the resources. But Indian talent was enormous that India started IT industry to make up for the resource deficit. Chinese, on the other hand are poor in maths and hence indulge in harder work. Also, access to resource makes it easier to get hard work like mining and manufacturing.

It is not that China or USA or Russia does not have gang rapes. Filth is unavoidable as large population leads to littering and pollution. India never tried to attract tourists and hence does not have a robust tourism industry. Moreover, India did not have roads and other infrastructure widespread till 2000.

Japan and Germany got no much natural resources but they can develop their manufacturing industry, seriously India with 1,4 billion people and more than 2 trillion US dollar GDP not engaged in manufacturing industry while your people is in low base structure of economy condition is kind of waste of your large pool labor and human resources. IT and services sector can't absorb your large labor pools, and that's a business with very capital intensive nature .

 

[sinait]

Singapore is a small city. In 1965, Singaporean PM was crying after Malaysia kicked it out. He was saying taht Singapore has no food or water. But it was due to Singaporean strategic location in Malacca and the unreliability of Muslim countries around it that makes Singapore a special port location and hence its richness.

Indian math and analytical skills are quite good. But manufacturing requires vast manual labour and natural resource. India only has arable land as resource but not enough other minerals and oil. It does not take technical brain to make things as machines do most of the job.

Technical skill is needed for software coding. IT is a work of the mind and Indians excel in it. Even lawyership is a work of the mind and Indians excel in that too. It is lack of resource that hinders manufacturing industry. India also has large population like China but lacks the resources. But Indian talent was enormous that India started IT industry to make up for the resource deficit. Chinese, on the other hand are poor in maths and hence indulge in harder work. Also, access to resource makes it easier to get hard work like mining and manufacturing.

It is not that China or USA or Russia does not have gang rapes. Filth is unavoidable as large population leads to littering and pollution. India never tried to attract tourists and hence does not have a robust tourism industry. Moreover, India did not have roads and other infrastructure widespread till 2000.

I am not going into how Singapore developed, its not as easy as you put it.

Its apparent you are not in IT.
When engineers were in charge of coding, ordinary folks don't like to use the PC.
Run of the mill programmers will know they don't use much maths in programming especially in database and other commercial programs coding.
Most of all maths and algorithms involved are provided by libraries or foundation classes.

You are really SILLY with your statement that the Chinese are poor in maths.
India is at MISERABLE 28 rank in the IMO.
If you look into the details, team USA, THA, SGP, IDN are all ethnic Chinese, or at least some Chinese members(USA).
International Mathematical Olympiad
USA 1
RUS 2
CHN 3 China
UKR 4
THA 5 Thailand
TWN 6 Taiwan
KOR 7 Korea
SGP 8 Singapore
POL 9
IDN 10 Indonesia

IND 28 India
So much for India good at maths, LAUGHABLE.

As for Programming Skills.
The ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest
Last year 2018 India at MISERABLE 31
This year 2019 is WORST at PATHETIC 41
So much for India good at IT programming.

INDIA very GOOD AT BRAGGING, No 1 in the WORLD.
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[Smarana Mitra]

Japan and Germany got no much natural resources but they can develop their manufacturing industry, seriously India with 1,4 billion people and more than 2 trillion US dollar GDP not engaged in manufacturing industry while your people is in low base structure of economy condition is kind of waste of your large pool labor and human resources. IT and services sector can't absorb your large labor pools, and that's a business with very capital intensive nature .

In older times, industrialisation was relatively simple and did not involve as high end technology as today. That time limited resource was enough. Japan got resource by invading China. Germany had genius scientists and technology experts who traded high end goods with USSR, US, Europe to get the resource.

But after WW2, the Germany & Japan are merely USA slaves and are used as donkeys to work hard on behalf of USA so that USA population can do easy and lazy jobs and live comfortably. Every single high end technology in japan & Germany is guarded by USA military and the IPR owned by USA. The resource are also provided by political alliance of USA and its allies like Arabs who gave petrodollar deal to USA.

Yes, IT service is not for everyone and manufacturing is needed to employ the masses but India has its own set of problems like resource deficit to tackle.

I am not going into how Singapore developed, its not as easy as you put it.

Its apparent you are not in IT.
When engineers were in charge of coding, ordinary folks don't like to use the PC.
Run of the mill programmers will know they don't use much maths in programming especially in database and other commercial programs coding.
Most of all maths and algorithms involved are provided by libraries or foundation classes.

You are really SILLY with your statement that the Chinese are poor in maths.
India is at MISERABLE 28 rank in the IMO.
If you look into the details, team USA, THA, SGP, IDN are all ethnic Chinese, or at least some Chinese members(USA).
International Mathematical Olympiad
USA 1
RUS 2
CHN 3 China
UKR 4
THA 5 Thailand
TWN 6 Taiwan
KOR 7 Korea
SGP 8 Singapore
POL 9
IDN 10 Indonesia

IND 28 India
So much for India good at maths, LAUGHABLE.

As for Programming Skills.
The ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest
Last year 2018 India at MISERABLE 31
This year 2019 is WORST at PATHETIC 41
So much for India good at IT programming.

INDIA very GOOD AT BRAGGING, No 1 in the WORLD.
.

I hope you understand that most Indians don't even enter olympiads as they simply don't care. But this does not mean India is bad at maths. There is significant illiteracy and lack of interest in anything that does not have proper results and incentives due to high competition. Hence Olympiads are not even attended by most people, even intelligent ones.

About coding not needing maths, I agree to some extent. But IT is not just about coding. It also involves big data, trading, financial service etc. Also, coding high end codes requires analytical skills. Being a good lawyer also requires analytical skills. This is where Indians excel.

 

[rott]

I am not going into how Singapore developed, its not as easy as you put it.

Its apparent you are not in IT.
When engineers were in charge of coding, ordinary folks don't like to use the PC.
Run of the mill programmers will know they don't use much maths in programming especially in database and other commercial programs coding.
Most of all maths and algorithms involved are provided by libraries or foundation classes.

You are really SILLY with your statement that the Chinese are poor in maths.
India is at MISERABLE 28 rank in the IMO.
If you look into the details, team USA, THA, SGP, IDN are all ethnic Chinese, or at least some Chinese members(USA).
International Mathematical Olympiad
USA 1
RUS 2
CHN 3 China
UKR 4
THA 5 Thailand
TWN 6 Taiwan
KOR 7 Korea
SGP 8 Singapore
POL 9
IDN 10 Indonesia

IND 28 India
So much for India good at maths, LAUGHABLE.

As for Programming Skills.
The ICPC International Collegiate Programming Contest
Last year 2018 India at MISERABLE 31
This year 2019 is WORST at PATHETIC 41
So much for India good at IT programming.

INDIA very GOOD AT BRAGGING, No 1 in the WORLD.
.

He's making the Indian members on PDF look even worse.

@Smarana Mitra, you've heard of the quote "It's better to let one think you're a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubts"?
Awaiting your response...

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

India does not have natural resource to rise like China. India does not even have nickel to make stainless steel!! India can never rise as long as majority of the natural resource in other countries deplete. The main resource is petroleum and that is seen depleting to reach its end soon. So, India can dominate only after the oil in key country like USA depletes

India had been united, but not ethnically or by kingdoms. It was united by civilisation and preaching by Brahmans. It was like Christian Roman empire with Pope as unifying factor. So, it was not united in land but culture. Yes, there have been losses but it still survives.

The Dharma extended even till Europe (Greek knowledge is a derivative of links with India) an the language of Sanskrit was also widespread even in Europe. Languages like Latin could have been derived from Sanskrit itself given close similarity. Racial varuiety of Indians have always been varied as importance was given on cuolture, not ethnicity.


Except for 17% of Abrahamic population, there is not much of a problem with other ethnicity. India is not a racial homogenous entity and never intends to be. In fact, Indian culture seeks heterogenous racial structure to ensure proper division of labour. What unifies is culture and Dharma, not race. China, Japan etc focus more on race unlike India and hence it may appear like it is a chaotic scenario in India from that viewpoint, but it is not. Indians are so sued to having relatives some of who are black, white, curly haired, tall or short etc that race is simply irrelevant except for making some casual jokes. None will discriminate in terms of job or position because of race.

So, it is not fractious as you think

Ya and vedic science culminated in Man's first spaceship into outerspace.

 

[Nike]

A lazy bunch, just import the raw materials from aboard, buy necessarily tooling, milling, lathe or if you don't have money use your own hand and imagination and made something then sell it either for export market or domestic one's

 

[sinait]

In older times, industrialisation was relatively simple and did not involve as high end technology as today. That time limited resource was enough. Japan got resource by invading China. Germany had genius scientists and technology experts who traded high end goods with USSR, US, Europe to get the resource.

But after WW2, the Germany & Japan are merely USA slaves and are used as donkeys to work hard on behalf of USA so that USA population can do easy and lazy jobs and live comfortably. Every single high end technology in japan & Germany is guarded by USA military and the IPR owned by USA. The resource are also provided by political alliance of USA and its allies like Arabs who gave petrodollar deal to USA.

Yes, IT service is not for everyone and manufacturing is needed to employ the masses but India has its own set of problems like resource deficit to tackle.

I hope you understand that most Indians don't even enter olympiads as they simply don't care. But this does not mean India is bad at maths. There is significant illiteracy and lack of interest in anything that does not have proper results and incentives due to high competition. Hence Olympiads are not even attended by most people, even intelligent ones.

About coding not needing maths, I agree to some extent. But IT is not just about coding. It also involves big data, trading, financial service etc. Also, coding high end codes requires analytical skills. Being a good lawyer also requires analytical skills. This is where Indians excel.

Sure, when India rank NO.2 from the BOTTOM in PISA TEST, they just pulled out.
No more Pisa Test, no more ranking, India can brag how good they are.

Others will think India does not have a massive IT industry hearing from you.
According to you, India have no emphasis on the IT industry.
Why would programmers not take part in coding contest if it guarantees higher pay, higher status and easy path to a job and a green card in the USA.
Unless they suck.
For your information, India had a GREAT NUMBER of participants in these contests, I think double those from China if I remember correctly.

So much for your Indians don't care.
Just google "Indian Programmers sucks" and get your answers.
https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/...ia-unfit-for-software-development-jobs-report
95% Engineers in India Unfit For Software Development Jobs: Report

I agree Indians are good as lawyers, not sure they are better in analytical skills than engineers.
Our Universities once gave more weightage to language skills for entry but had to drop it because the engineers they produced were very good at talking but sucks at engineering.

It takes a lot of brain to devise methods to produce goods fast, cheap and durable.
India apparently does not have it, hence India is flooded with Chinese goods even though wages is China are much higher than in India.
Either you are LYING or being brainwashed by INDIA STRONK.
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[Pakhtoon yum]

Not really, every other country that went down never came up again except China.
And each time China became stronger every time it subdued its invaders.
Remarkable is invaders of China were so impressed with Chinese culture they became Chinese.

Its not about the Uighurs, they have lived there for centuries without much problems.
Its an issue now only because a nervous of losing its pre-eminence, US, is formenting trouble to contain the rise of China.
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So its paranoia, same paranoia that killed the emperor that United China. How interesting

Many Pakistani are living and studying in China actually.

And many Chinese refugees are living in Pakistan, fear death back home

 

[sinait]

So its paranoia, same paranoia that killed the emperor that United China. How interesting

Yeah, the 1st emperor was killed and China went on to become stronger and more prosperous under the new Han dynasty.
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[gambit]

Good. Crush them if they prefer Religion over country. They are traitor if they don't prefer country interest first.

There are two -- only two -- ways to TRY to convince a person to give you his loyalty.

ONE - You get him to change his mind. How goes the mind -- the body.

TWO - You change his body. How goes the body -- the mind.

Each produces short and long term results and consequences but in different order.

Changing someone's mind requires continual education, persuasion, and much patience. The person will have initial resistance, which is a natural protective response. The essence of this path is ideological.

Changing someone's body is changing his environment, not the literal body. Put the person into a palace and you will see one result, into a prison and you will see a different, if not an opposite, result. Most of the time, environmental changes are not that drastic but swings between the palace and the prison.

A blending of the two ways does not create a third way, at least not a true way. The blending is more like compromises that are incidental or situational. You posit an idea at one point and you change the environment at another.

For the first way, it is showing the person two houses: the house of religion and the house of state. Then you try to convince the person when is it appropriate to act for each house. When to place the state first and when to place religion first. The state acts on this life. Religion acts on the next life. There are no environmental changes, at least not radical ones. Allegiances not shared, just applied at different times. The argument is: The state maybe atheistic but is not hostile to religion, and the two peacefully coexists.

Destroying houses of worships is akin to throwing the person into a prison. It is changing the environment without being mindful of the results on the mind. It is like shredding clothes but not offering an equal alternative, leaving the person physically and intellectually nude. The person now have no physical place for spiritual nourishment and the state offers nothing in lieu of what was lost. For a Muslim, the prayer mat is the least of that environment. For the Catholic, the rosary beads. For Christians in general, it is the cross. Every religion have a minimum of physical environment on which the believer feels spiritually comforted, if even just for a while. That is why oppressive governments go after even the smallest of religious details because the dictators instinctively know the power of these small physical representations of religions. Destroying houses of worships is demanding the supremacy of the state in all three forms that make up a person: physical, intellectual, and spiritual.

But hey, like post no. 2 said: Their country their fucking rules...