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J15 vs MIG29k, Naval Tejas

Are you sure it's displacement? I believe it might be the runway configurations.

Displacement decides the propulsion needed along with the ship body design... You cant have more heavy aircraft on the carrier which have less displacement.. the propulsion for that will not work.. the ship will stand still even though if you have big runway...
 
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Displacement decides the propulsion needed along with the ship body design... You cant have more heavy aircraft on the carrier which have less displacement.. the propulsion for that will not work.. the ship will stand still even though if you have big runway...

I meant these runway configrations.

CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery) is a system used for the launch and recovery of aircraft from the deck of an aircraft carrier. Under this technique, aircraft launch using a catapult assisted take off and land on the ship (the recovery phase) using arrestor wires. Although this system is more costly than alternative methods, it provides greater flexibility in carrier operations, since it allows the vessel to support conventional aircraft.

STOVL(short take off and vertical landing) use tends to allow aircraft to carry a larger payload as compared to during VTOL use, while still only requiring a short runway.

STOBAR (short take off but arrested recovery) is a system used for the launch and recovery of aircraft from the deck of an aircraft carrier, combining elements of both STOVL (Short Take Off and Vertical Landing.) and CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery). Aircraft launch under their own power using a ski-jump to assist take-off (rather than using a catapult like most carriers). However, these are conventional, rather than STOVL aircraft, and thus require arrestor wires to land on the ship. The Russian Navy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is the only current example of a STOBAR carrier, another will be the Indian Vikramaditya (formerly the Soviet carrier Admiral Gorshkov) and the future Vikrant class aircraft carrier. The STOBAR system is simpler to build than CATOBAR — but it works only with light, and lightly armed, fighter aircraft that have a high thrust to weight ratio.
 
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J-15: Greater payload and range
Mig-29K: More can be carried onboard on the same ship
Tejas: Not in service

Other than that, there really isn't much else to compare. Both are heavily upgraded from their original version.
 
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J-15: everything made in China, can be built in massive number when necessary.
MiG-29: russia will charge u stupid amount and delay your delivery.

J-15: every single Yuan spent on this project brings jobs, research outcomes, industrial upgrade.
MiG-29: russia get your money and drink 10 bottles of Vodka every day.
 
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J-15: everything made in China, can be built in massive number when necessary.
MiG-29: russia will charge u stupid amount and delay your delivery.

J-15: every single Yuan spent on this project brings jobs, research outcomes, industrial upgrade.
MiG-29: russia get your money and drink 10 bottles of Vodka every day.

and most importantly mig29 will win in a fight.
 
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New variant МiG-29К/КUB has been created specially for Admiral Gorshkov / Vikramaditya aircraft carrier who should be transferred to Indian Naval Forces in 2012. The carrier-based fighter has the increased sizes (the wing area has increased with 38 up to 42 м2, are increased the area tail and volume airframe for the increased capacity of fuel). The Possibly empty weight of МiG-29К new version will make not less than 13.200 kg. Two-seat version MiG-29KUB, possibly weight not less than 13.700 kg. For comparison, the weight of empty weight F-18E makes 13.387 kg, two-seat F-18F - 13.880 kg (the information western sources). Sometimes empty weight F-18E/F is accepted to identical size (13.880 kg). Thus, empty weight МiG-29К/КUB (13.300/13800) it is practically identical with F-18E/F (13.387/13.880).

These are deck-test on Admiral Kuznetsov .. Test Including Take off Taxing Landing and Emergency Landing of MIG-29KUB which will later delivered to India..Vikramaditya will have more Deck area than Admiral Kuznetsov ..so This Sea Beauty will have more space to perform than this testing platform.

The aircraft were formally inducted into the Navy on 19 Feb 2010 with INAS 303 "Black Panthers"

The Zhuk-ME is an advanced variant of the original N010 Zhuk radar introducing advanced air to surface functions like mapping and terrain following. The radar forms part of the MiG-29K specific equipment. The radar features improved signal processing and has a detection range of up to 120 km vs a 5 m2 RCS target for the export variant, and up to 10 targets tracked and up to 4 attacked at once in air to air mode. The tracking range is 0.83 - 0.85 of the detection range. In air to surface mode the radar can detect a tank from up to 25 km away and a bridge from 120 km away, a naval destroyer could be detected up to 300 km away and up to two surface targets can be tracked at once. The radar has a weight of 220 kg and a scanning area of +/- 85 degrees in azimuth and +56/-40 in elevation. The antenna is an electronically scanned slotted planar array and has a diameter of 624 mm.

The Zhuk-AE radar was developed with modular approach, enabling upgrade of existing Zhuk ME radars deployed in MiG-29 platforms into the active electronic scanned array (AESA) Zhuk-AE standard. India is already operating the BAR phased array radar on its Su-30MKI and has specified AESA as a critical element of the MRCA platform. There were some reports that the optional MiG-29K/KUB for India are offered with Zhuk AE.

The MiG-29K's design relies on a combination of low-observable technology, advanced electronic-warfare capabilities, reduced ballistic vulnerability, and the use of standoff weapons to enhance the fighter's survivability.It has a reduced radar signature according to Mikoyan from the extensive use of radar-absorbent materials. Special coatings reduce the MiG-29K's radar signature 4-5 times over the F18. RD-33MK turbofan engine full FDAC contains systems that reduce its infrared and optical visibility.

@ Spark what is ballistic vulnerability
 
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J-15: everything made in China, can be built in massive number when necessary.
MiG-29: russia will charge u stupid amount and delay your delivery.

J-15: every single Yuan spent on this project brings jobs, research outcomes, industrial upgrade.
MiG-29: russia get your money and drink 10 bottles of Vodka every day.
That might be economically best for China but it will not win in a war against a plane made by Russia which had all the way experience in building fighter aircrafts. I agree the current Tejas mk1 Naval version can also be less superior but Mk2 naval version with AESA arial refuelling etc will effectively counter its rivals.
 
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I meant these runway configrations.

CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery) is a system used for the launch and recovery of aircraft from the deck of an aircraft carrier. Under this technique, aircraft launch using a catapult assisted take off and land on the ship (the recovery phase) using arrestor wires. Although this system is more costly than alternative methods, it provides greater flexibility in carrier operations, since it allows the vessel to support conventional aircraft.

STOVL(short take off and vertical landing) use tends to allow aircraft to carry a larger payload as compared to during VTOL use, while still only requiring a short runway.

STOBAR (short take off but arrested recovery) is a system used for the launch and recovery of aircraft from the deck of an aircraft carrier, combining elements of both STOVL (Short Take Off and Vertical Landing.) and CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery). Aircraft launch under their own power using a ski-jump to assist take-off (rather than using a catapult like most carriers). However, these are conventional, rather than STOVL aircraft, and thus require arrestor wires to land on the ship. The Russian Navy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is the only current example of a STOBAR carrier, another will be the Indian Vikramaditya (formerly the Soviet carrier Admiral Gorshkov) and the future Vikrant class aircraft carrier. The STOBAR system is simpler to build than CATOBAR — but it works only with light, and lightly armed, fighter aircraft that have a high thrust to weight ratio.

What ever runway configurations it is.. The number of Aircraft on top of the carrier as well as inside will be limited based on the displacement...
 
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What ever runway configurations it is.. The number of Aircraft on top of the carrier as well as inside will be limited based on the displacement...

I'm not disputing that. But even a carrier with larger displacement but without a Catobar configration cannot take heavier aircraft. So I guess the conclusion is India and Russia went for Mig 29k as their vessels had smaller displacement and since they did not possess CATOBAR configration they could not support heaver aircraft anyway.
 
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What ever runway configurations it is.. The number of Aircraft on top of the carrier as well as inside will be limited based on the displacement...
No , 12 Su33's can be used on our carriers in STOBAR configuration. The thing is we would have ommitted the wiring and ... costs that made gorkshov costing more than $2 million if we would have gone for STOVL/VTOL aircrafts.
 
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I'm not disputing that. But even a carrier with larger displacement but without a Catobar configration cannot take heavier aircraft. So I guess the conclusion is India and Russia went for Mig 29k as their vessels had smaller displacement and since they did not possess CATOBAR configration they could not support heaver aircraft anyway.
If the aircraft was VTOL version we would have got the carrier at $0.5 million , but we didnt buy aircrafts like harriers.
 
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No , 12 Su33's can be used on our carriers in STOBAR configuration. The thing is we would have ommitted the wiring and ... costs that made gorkshov costing more than $2 million if we would have gone for STOVL/VTOL aircrafts.

I doubt 12 su's can operate from INS Vikramaditya... it is way small... even the carrier which operated 19 SU-33's is planned carrying more than 28 Migs
secondly Su-33 needed lot of upgrades to bring to Mig-29K ... which costed more..
 
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I doubt 12 su's can operate from INS Vikramaditya... it is way small... even the carrier which operated 19 SU-33's is planned carrying more than 28 Migs
secondly Su-33 needed lot of upgrades to bring to Mig-29K ... which costed more..


I Agree with ur concern, Vikadi is small Carrier (Though it is 40,000 tonn but itc an carry lesser fighter, coz it was designed on footprint of battlecruiser)... Number is valid concern...

Su33 would have evolved if India would have shown interest in it.. By MiG29K delivery Su33 would have matched Su35BM standard..

J15: No one knows what chiniese put on Su27K to make it J15, Who knows they have AESA on its nose??
 
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