J-K not part of India, seeking plebiscite not a crime: Engineer Rashid

[Taimoor Khan]

Bull$hit kid, this land has always been known as India to outsiders..greeks..Romans..even Persians.
The local inhabitants called it Bharat.

Just because you hale from a country, which was an afterthought and a British conspiracy to extend their to rule in the subcontinent ..has no history of its own..has to borrow its history from Arabs.

Don't paint us with same brush..we have very rich and diverse history..and Unlike you we are an ancient civilization.

Son I would strongly advice to get out of your cocoland. otherwise you will keep on embarrassing yourself.

Outsiders refer to middle east as a region, doesn't mean it was one country, if outsider refer to this region as India, doesn't mean it was one united entity let alone anything to do with the inhabitants who now called themselves as Indians. Let me ask you again. Did your forefathers chose the term India and labelled themselves as Indian or it was chosen for them. You need to cut the cr@p and except the reality that it was the British Raj in which truly this region was established as India, a colonial entity. Before it was 900 years of Muslim empire rule. You lot have been slaves, most of your miserable history and slaves make no history, they are just part of it.

You and ancient civilization? LOL. You lot even piggy peg off Pakistan to sell your "ancient" credentials. PATHETIC!!

 

[rubyjackass]

india or the "indies" in spanish was a term which existed way before british colonialism and was recognised as a common cultural bound state during the time of marco polo and columbus. the indus valley civilization formed as much part of current india as it did 2 pakistan and parts of afghanistan. kashmir is irrelevant 2 the indus valley or the ganges plain civilizations.

Kashmir is where all rivers of India(Sapta Sindhu and Ganges valley) originate. Kashmir has always been the place of penance. It was NOT irrelevant for the regions you described.

 

[Osiris]

Son I would strongly advice to get out of your cocoland. otherwise you will keep on embarrassing yourself.

Outsiders refer to middle east as a region, doesn't mean it was one country, if outsider refer to this region as India, doesn't mean it was one united entity let alone anything to do with the inhabitants who now called themselves as Indians. Let me ask you again. Did your forefathers chose the term India and labelled themselves as Indian or it was chosen for them. You need to cut the cr@p and except the reality that it was the British Raj in which truly this region was established as India, a colonial entity. Before it was 900 years of Muslim empire rule. You lot have been slaves, most of your miserable history and slaves make no history, they are just part of it.

You and ancient civilization? LOL. You lot even piggy peg off Pakistan to sell your "ancient" credentials. PATHETIC!!

Our ancestor use to call this region Bharat..guess what ..we still do.

Burying your head in the sand ..wont change the facts..Indian civilisation has spanned over millenniums..over time it has imbibed many different cultures..Include Arabic, Persian and Islamic ones.

Pakistan is just a few decades old entity..a country trying so hard not to be India..that it has forgotten its roots.

You converts think, you ruled India? Can you name a single Indian ruler, who haled from present day Pakistan.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The predominant form of dance over there is the Bollywood hip swaying and grinding against another's buttocks, nothing similar to the IVC.


So diverse, I'm not going to even bother. In one place you guys are eating dogs, in other you're eating spicy veggies, in another your eating meat. Anyways, from what I've seen on this forum and the interwebs, Indians seem to be more interested in claiming things like Biryani and Chicken Tikka than their actual native foods



Once again, too diverse. You guys are all over the place in that department. Lungis here, turbans there, it's not even funny.



I doubt they were diverse enough to start eating spicy vegetable curries which kept them up all night, wore lungis and danced to Yo Yo Honey Singh.

Ok. Have a nice ... whatever.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

The FACT that Kashmir was/is a Muslim dominated state whose inhabitants were never allowed to exercise their right to choose between Pakistan and India. The rest are consequences coming out of this original Sin. We in Pakistan are up for plebiscite. Question is are you? What we say in Urdu "Doodh ka Doodh aur Pani ka Pani hojaey ga". What are you afraid of?

Bangladesh is not part of Indian federation. Not yet but it seems Hasina Wajid might achieve this milestone in future. Two nation theory is well and truely kicking and alive

The actual sin was invasion of Kashmir by Pakistan. That is the crux of all situation. There is nothing else. If you close your eyes and say SUN does not exits then let it be, but in reality it is there. Bright and Shining. Fortunately there are much sane minds in the current Pakistan's civilian administration and things can move ahead with them and you are not one of them.

 

[manlion]

 

[chhota bheem]

And goans seems to be happy about it

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Our ancestor use to call this region Bharat..guess what ..we still do.

Burying your head in the sand ..wont change the facts..Indian civilisation has spanned over millenniums..over time it has imbibed many different cultures..Include Arabic, Persian and Islamic ones.

Pakistan is just a few decades old entity..a country trying so hard not to be India..that it has forgotten its roots.

You converts think, you ruled India? Can you name a single Indian ruler, who haled from present day Pakistan.

You cannot be Mr brown, harry, tom or d|ck at the same time. Or is it a identity crisis? You sell yourself to outside world as Indians, as no one outside knows what the f*** this mythical entity called bhaRAT is.

There is nothing called Indian civilization, as this region well and truly mentioned and recognized as a functional entity under the colonial rule. Before that was the Muslim Empire which spanned for almost a millennium. Before that was princely states dividing the region among themselves. And before that was the Indus civilization/empire who ruled this region for millennium after millennium build by non other then the ancestors of Pakistan. You have been ruled over almost all your entire history when there was a indication of one country and one empire ,under such circumstances, you cannot have created your own civilization, you can either be part of it or borrow, just like you are doing now, with India and its colonial legacy.

The actual sin was invasion of Kashmir by Pakistan. That is the crux of all situation. There is nothing else. If you close your eyes and say SUN does not exits then let it be, but in reality it is there. Bright and Shining. Fortunately there are much sane minds in the current Pakistan's civilian administration and things can move ahead with them and you are not one of them.

Keep on shouting from your roof top and repeating the same non sense over and over again wont get you any favors. This issue will eventually will be decided by the inhabitants of Kashmir, when they decide by the power of vote if they want to be part of Pakistan or keep on living under Indian occupation. neither you or I can change that . Failing that, I am sure it is just matter of time that we will lock our horns again sooner then later.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Keep on shouting from your roof top and repeating the same non sense over and over again wont get you any favors. This issue will eventually will be decided by the inhabitants of Kashmir, when they decide by the power of vote if they want to be part of Pakistan or keep on living under Indian occupation. neither you or I can change that . Failing that, I am sure it is just matter of time that we will lock our horns again sooner then later.

They are already voting in Indian Elections. So already decided. Enjoy your rest of the life day dreaming.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

They are already voting in Indian Elections. So already decided. Enjoy your rest of the life day dreaming.

In disputed territory, Indian law or constitution is only worth the paper it is written on.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I am actually calling you son judging by your level of intellect, which I think is fair.
India was known by India , by whom? Think about it , put your thinking cap on, and ask this question, did your ancestors choose this name for themselves or it "choose" for them. And you are getting annoyed at me calling you a "son"?

How come the "ancient" Indian civilization ever existed, when the name itself is hardly 200 years old created by foreign colonials ? If you are referring to the colonial era of slavery and take that as your civilization, good on you. In Pakistan we take that as a shame.

Our ancestors in Indus river plains build and sustained our ancient country/empire/civilization, whatever you want to call it, for thousands and thousands of years, the whole region (not just Pakistan) is littered with their work and their cities that they build, the land they merged all around with heartland which is Indus valley, the pattern which was followed by Babylonians and Egyptians who came AFTER us. YOU on our east are at best the offshoot from us, like the rest, who went on to build their own Ganges civilization. With this historical background, always remember your place in this hierarchy. We, the present day people of Indus plain, call our land, "the land of pure" , Pakistan, by lineage , by blood, we sit on top of the human evolution as civilized beings. Your claims about ancient India is nothing more but delusional rant without any knowledge of the history.

What BS. This entire land, including the little part on which you currently sit are a part of the 'Indian' civilization also called 'Bharatvarsha' in the native languages from centuries before. Aincient universities of both Nalanda (central India) and Taxila, the epics of Mahabharata and Ramayana and vedas led the lives of the people just like how Quran led the lives of muslims. The invaders who came with an alien religion came from the west, so a larger concentration of western Indians who were converted to the Islamic faith. And then the muslims began to gravitate to the fertile east due to commercial considerations alone. Our knowledge of history is not dicatated by the fairy tales written in the Pak texts.

In disputed territory, Indian law or constitution is only worth the paper it is written on.

It had better not be disputed by anyone, especially by countries where non disputed territories also have constitutions that are not worth the paper it is written on.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What BS. This entire land, including the little part on which you currently sit are a part of the 'Indian' civilization also called 'Bharatvarsha' in the native languages from centuries before. Aincient universities of both Nalanda (central India) and Taxila, the epics of Mahabharata and Ramayana and vedas led the lives of the people just like how Quran led the lives of muslims. The invaders who came with an alien religion came from the west, so a larger concentration of western Indians who were converted to the Islamic faith. And then the muslims began to gravitate to the fertile east due to commercial considerations alone. Our knowledge of history is not dicatated by the fairy tales written in the Pak texts.

History is not told on the basis on myths and bed time stories such as BhaRAT. As far as term India is concerned is a concoction of Colonial overlords, nothing to do with you present day Indians. Our land in Pakistan has a long history of its own and distinct, infact the world oldest civilization/empire which our ancestors build and sustained.

It had better not be disputed by anyone, especially by countries where non disputed territories also have constitutions that are not worth the paper it is written on.

Sorry to burst your bubble but both Pakistan and India recognized Kashmir as a disputed territory in biggest international forum, the UN. So called elections held in Kashmir under Indian constitution or influence literally mean scooby doo.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

History is not told on the basis on myths and bed time stories such as BhaRAT. As long as term India is concerned is a concoction of Colonial overlords, nothing to do with you present day Indians. Our land in Pakistan has a long history of its own and distinct, infact the world oldest civilization/empire which our ancestors build and sustained.



Sorry to burst your bubble but both Pakistan and India recognized Kashmir as a disputed territory in biggest international forum, the UN. So called elections held in Kashmir under Indian constitution of influence really mean scooby doo.

Who's interested in what you think. India was formed on the idea of a unified civilization. If that is true the country lives if not it breaks. And it has existed and grown stronger since 1947. Shows the ideas were true.

Your philosophy on the other hand was so weak that your state fell apart in 25 years. 'Colonial masters', 'this is never one civilization' etc. are commentaries written by people in the margins that has no impact on ground. And as far as the following;

Our land in Pakistan has a long history of its own and distinct, infact the world oldest civilization/empire which our ancestors build and sustained.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Who's interested in what you think. India was formed on the idea of a unified civilization. If that is true the country lives if not it breaks. And it has existed and grown stronger since 1947. Shows the ideas were true.

Your philosophy on the other hand was so weak that your state fell apart in 25 years. 'Colonial masters', 'this is never one civilization' etc. are commentaries written by people in the margins that has no impact on ground. And as far as the following;

Our land in Pakistan has a long history of its own and distinct, infact the world oldest civilization/empire which our ancestors build and sustained.

You can bark on top of your lungs about your maha bhaRAT tripe, no one gives a monkey. Bottom line is, you are a slave nation, has been like that throughout your miserable past, the colonials give you some sort of nationhood by enforcing you to live in one country, which you then carried forwarded when they left. That is how your history started. Be happy with what you got and dont dwell too much in past as it will only embarrass you and your people.

Ah how cute, those silly faces and ROFLs. Did you just hit the puberty?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You can bark on top of your lungs about your maha bhaRAT tripe, no one gives a monkey. Bottom line is, you are a slave nation, has been like that throughout your miserable past, the colonials give you some sort of nationhood by enforcing you to live in one country, which you then carried forwarded when they left. That is how your history started. Be happy with what you got and dont dwell too much in past as it will only embarrass you and your people.

Ah how cute, those silly faces and ROFLs. Did you just hit the puberty?

We don't care your holy books either, nor about your nation. We respect you as much as you respect us. So that's fine and fair. We want to be left alone as far as possible. Expect a harder time ahead. Our politicians may be weak willed. But our covert ops are pretty decent.