J-31 possibly being tested & evaluated in Pakistan

[MastanKhan]

Keep watching block-3 evolve, that would give you leads to Pak NGF. I know you are desperate to know but we carry professional obligations.

Hi,

It is seemingly following in the footsteps of the Grippen NG----.

 

[messiach]

I'll be moving back to PK hopefully end of september. Yes i am looking forward to extremely pivotal ToT for block3 in the next year or so that should expand our share of manufacturing & would lay the foundations for FGF.

Hi,

It is seemingly following in the footsteps of the Grippen NG----.

 

[Bossman]

I'll be moving back to PK hopefully end of september. Yes i am looking forward to extremely pivotal ToT for block3 in the next year or so that should expand our share of manufacturing & would lay the foundations for FGF.

EJ2000

 

[MastanKhan]

I'll be moving back to PK hopefully end of september. Yes i am looking forward to extremely pivotal ToT for block3 in the next year or so that should expand our share of manufacturing & would lay the foundations for FGF.

Hi,

As I told the Cardinal few years ago---JF17 would outsell the Grippen---.

 

[Bossman]

Hi,

As I told the Cardinal few years ago---JF17 would outsell the Grippen---.

Few years ago you used to say that the JF17 is blunder.

 

[MastanKhan]

Few years ago you used to say that the JF17 is blunder.

Hi,

In the context I mentioned it in---it still is---but on its own merits---it is an excellent aircraft for the money---.

 

[messiach]

Follow block3. FGF will not be a remarkable departure.

EJ2000

 

[Armchair]

To me there are three options to NGF or FGF or Azm:

1. A larger, stealthier, twin engined JF-17 in the philosophical bend of the Hornet / Superhornet
2. A delta similar to the German / French design
3. mini F-22 / F-35 / J-31

The above by messiach suggests option 1 could be in the cards. With the focus on a workhorse design that minimizes risk.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

In the context I mentioned it in---it still is---but on its own merits---it is an excellent aircraft for the money---.

Hi,

Every major weapons system has to be procured in a timely manner---it has to be ' right in your face kind of weapon '---it has to give you superiority over the enemy---.

It has to create a concern in the enemy ranks---and that concern would make them think of peace---even before you go to battle---.

That aircraft would have been---72 F16 in 2002-04----40 Mirage 2000 / 9's or 36 Rafales---all procured within 2 years of 9/11---.

That would have resulted in the peace deal being done on a fastrak---.

Now---what is the purpose of the JF17---!!!

We don't want peace----we are going to prepare for war---because it is going to be our own fighter that we can use any which way we can---.

Tactically and strategically---the building of the JF17 fighter and abandoning the procurement of the F16's / Mirages / Rafales does not make any sense---.

Because all these steps have weakened the defences of pakistan and taken it far far away from a possible peace negotiation---.

Paf gave bad bad advise to Gen Musharraf that there would be no war with Indian---and it was his blunder also to believe in what the Paf was telling him---.

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

Every major weapons system has to be procured in a timely manner---it has to be ' right in your face kind of weapon '---it has to give you superiority over the enemy---.

It has to create a concern in the enemy ranks---and that concern would make them think of peace---even before you go to battle---.

That aircraft would have been---72 F16 in 2002-04----40 Mirage 2000 / 9's or 36 Rafales---all procured within 2 years of 9/11---.

That would have resulted in the peace deal being done on a fastrak---.

Now---what is the purpose of the JF17---!!!

We don't want peace----we are going to prepare for war---because it is going to be our own fighter that we can use any which way we can---.

Tactically and strategically---the building of the JF17 fighter and abandoning the procurement of the F16's / Mirages / Rafales does not make any sense---.

Because all these steps have weakened the defences of pakistan and taken it far far away from a possible peace negotiation---.

Paf gave bad bad advise to Gen Musharraf that there would be no war with Indian---and it was his blunder also to believe in what the Paf was telling him---.

This is the first time since I've been on this forum that I saw a Pakistani member take the bull by its horn.

PAF doesn't have a high end fighter. Without a high end fighter, you can't fight the IAF. This is such a "right under your nose" situation that most people simply fail to see it.

In General Hostage's words:
If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22.
https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/04/f-35-needs-f-22-acc-says/

Today, all the way in 2018, it doesn't matter how many JF-17s and F-16s are present in an air force, they are all irrelevant without high end aircraft. You will notice that even the Israelis are asking for more F-15s, even though they are taking delivery of F-35s, an aircraft that is touted to be far superior to the F-15.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...f-15-over-f-35-for-next-acquisition-1.5769565

They are even willing to bring to life 40-year-old decommissioned American F-15Ds.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...throw-away-f-15d-eagles-as-new-found-treasure

 

[MastanKhan]

Follow block3. FGF will not be a remarkable departure.

Hi,

Kucch bhi Na Kaha
Kucch Keh Bhi Gaeya
Kucch Kehtay Kehtay Reh Bhi Gaeya

 

[CriticalThought]

This is the first time since I've been on this forum that I saw a Pakistani member take the bull by its horn.

PAF doesn't have a high end fighter. Without a high end fighter, you can't fight the IAF. This is such a "right under your nose" situation that most people simply fail to see it.

In General Hostage's words:
If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22.
https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/04/f-35-needs-f-22-acc-says/

Today, all the way in 2018, it doesn't matter how many JF-17s and F-16s are present in an air force, they are all irrelevant without high end aircraft. You will notice that even the Israelis are asking for more F-15s, even though they are taking delivery of F-35s, an aircraft that is touted to be far superior to the F-15.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...f-15-over-f-35-for-next-acquisition-1.5769565

They are even willing to bring to life 40-year-old decommissioned American F-15Ds.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...throw-away-f-15d-eagles-as-new-found-treasure

Look you dolt. The burnt husks of your Flankers and Mirages will show you how well we fight, Insha Allah. Don't forget ACM Sohail Aman's words: we will teach you a lesson that your generations will remember.

 

[messiach]

Very charming MK.

Hi,

Kucch bhi Na Kaha
Kucch Keh Bhi Gaeya
Kucch Kehtay Kehtay Reh Bhi Gaeya

On the matter, to bring the subject concisely in line with PAF future philosophy, this is an accurate statement.

Hi,

 

[Ultima Thule]

Look you dolt. The burnt husks of your Flankers and Mirages will show you how well we fight, Insha Allah. Don't forget ACM Sohail Aman's words: we will teach you a lesson that your generations will remember.

Don't feed a troll @CriticalThought sir

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Follow block3. FGF will not be a remarkable departure.

Sounds as though the PAF will persist with a lightweight platform for the future.

Certainly a different course than other FGF programs, but a concerted effort to control costs and maximize deployment flexibility (e.g. high numbers, use new concepts such as optionally manned, etc).