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J-16D - China Builds Its Own 'Wild Weasel' To Suppress Air Defenses

dude you must be retarded but maybe thats just normal for your fellas
Tell me if you have issues comprehending the OP post or do i need to spoon feed here?


We are talking about a platform restructured to be an EW and SAM hunter .... and you are comparing that with your su 30 and Rafaele?

You sir are an absolute IDIOT .... thats all i can say



Try comprehending this...

The J-16D's wingtips have built in electronic intelligence pods, which intercept enemy electronic signals like radar transmissions, for processing in the fighter's computers, which then tell the J-16D's jammers how to scramble, confuse and block enemy usage of the electromagnetic spectrum.


The J-16D is a J-16/Su-30 multi-role fighter optimized for "Wild Weasel" missions. Starting in the Vietnam War, Wild Weasels are fighters designed to take on surface-to-air missile batteries in a SEAD (Supression of Enemy Air Defense) role. Armed with anti-radiation missiles (which lock on and target radars by their electronic emissions) and electronic intelligence and electronic warfare jammers, they are designed to engage and suppress defenses, opening the way for traditional air attacks.

Compared to the baseline J-16, the J-16D has removed its Infrared Search Tracking sensor and 30mm cannon to accommodate more electronics inside its fuselage. It also has several antennas mounted around its fuselage. The J-16D also two large ELINT pods on its wingtips, similar to those on the E/A-18 Growler, to collect enemy radar and electronic activity. Additionally, the J-16D has smaller radome, likely to include an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar optimized for electronic warfare, including signals collection and jamming. The J-16D will be fitted with large AESA jamming pods, a development of current jammers on JH-7A attack aircraft; its attack ability will come from YJ-91, LD-10 and other anti-radiation missiles.

The J-16D provides Chinese aerial operations with a fast, maneuverable and long range EW and Wild Weasel platform that can protect Chinese fighters and bombers like the J-10, J-11, J-15, J-20, J-31 and H-6K bomber. This will be an important requirement in combat operations in increasingly militarized areas like the Taiwan Straits and South China Seas. In combat operations, the J-16 would first use its jammers to disrupt the target and fire control of enemy air defenses, before firing its long range anti-radiation missiles, which are equally deadly against both mobile and fixed air defenses.



Comprende?
great post, but no use enlighting these BJP bots, their mind and their mission is set
 
J31 v3 ext
in layman's terms j31 cannot do the job of j16 period.


there is difference of chalk and cheese between j10 and j16. j10 is useless for us after jf17 we need j16s
end fuselage with 2 ws10 engines is better is coming soon
 
And do tell me what did EA-18G does?

The EA-18G is designed to suppress and attack and interrupt the enemy's electronic system either airborne or grounded. Even the F-22's radar couldn't survive. In 2011, a EA-18G growler succeeded in blinding the F-22 and "shooting" it down in a normal counter drill. You can see a "F-22"decal decorating the side of EA-18G fuselage in the picture.

Although EA-18G is so powerful as to counter the F-22. it is an EW plane but a fighter. It can provide a electronic umbrella for other warfare in the battlefield. Using it as an air superiority fighter is like using the battleship to escort the merchant fleet.

It is a power multiplier as important as an AWAC. It is a very important node of USAF's combat architecture.

I am very glad to see the roll-out of J-16D than that of J-20, because it means the airborne combat architecture of PLAAF becomes more mature and complete. That is the key to win the battle. No matter how advanced a single weapon is, it could not counter a system, even the F-22.
 
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Thanks.
 
J-16D cannot be designed like the Growler because there are no other aircraft currently in PLAAF inventory can support the J-16D, unlike the US Military (EA-6B work with both EA-18G and EC-130).
Sorry, bro.I think you have made some mistakes here. There is no EA-6B which has retired in 2010.EA-18G is designed to replace it.
As for EC-130, it is a psywar plane not a EW plane, which is used to do propaganda aiming to destroy the fighting spirit of the enemy people.
Now there is only one EW plane in US inventory that is EA-18G. If you do not believe it, google it. This information is public.


As I mentioned before (and subsequently deleted by moderator) EW aircraft can only perform one of the three function, because when you are doing EA, you cannot backtrack and provide Electronic Protection toward friendly units, that's because by definition, when you are provide board spectrum jamming, you don't just jam the enemy, you will also jam your friendly unit (simply because you are jamming all the frequency) So if you only have J-16D providing EA solution, then neither your friends and foes both can attack each other. They will all just be flying around and around in the sky without one side seeing the other.
What you are talking about is the technology 20 or 30 years ago.

When it comes to board spectrum jamming, I am afraid you do not unstand how the EW plane does jamming work.
EW plane do not jam all frequency spectrum but the working frequency band of the foe's eletronic equipments.If the frequency of its own side's electronic equipments is different for the enemy's, it would not jam friends.
On the other hand, the jamming is to eradiate powerful electromagnetic wave with the same frequeny of the goals jammed. And people could controll the main direction of main lobe in which direction the energy of wave is most poweful. So the EA-18G surely can controll wave in the direction to the foes,with little influence to its friends.

As to say the functions of a EW plane, let's take EA-18G as an example. There are three main ability generalised.
1.Electronic attack/suppression, like jamming
2.Electronic interception
3.Communication countermeasure

All these information above is public, anyone could search them on internet.

OK. Let's talk about the role of J-16D. I do not need to say too much. Anyone interested can compare J-16D with EA-18G in aspects of the antennas they install and the pods they carry. In the end, you find out who is the biggest fan of the US millitary force.
On the other hand, depending on radar and jamming solution provided, you may be able to provide Electronic Support, but I really doubt can China process these type of ability with their first tries on Jammer Pod.
I do not doubt that now EA-18G is the most advanced EW plane in the world. But the point is China do have the EW capability the US has ,altough it is not as capable as US's. But we will improve EW capability step by step just like we having done in other areas.
lol, I know about that story, and as I told you before, that was a myth, sometime Navy guy put up AF kill profile to troll them, that happen quite a lot between the two service, but I am not going to talk about it here.
Maybe or maybe not.
 
Rafale has exercised with Indian SU 30 MKI and USAF F 22 and Eurofighter

Is that GOOD enough for you
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It was China which pursued Russia for several years and AGREED to all
its EARLIER IPR violations and agreed to stringent conditions
such as Not Reverse Engineering SU 35 and Not selling the Clones Like J 11 and J 16

If China is building Various variants ; it is precisely because it wants to catch up
with the West on its OWN without Russian assistance

Your J 20 and J 31 are at least Five years away

You need a Credible Fourth Generation fleet against US ; Taiwan and Japan

And All J 11 ; J 16 etc also help as Test Beds for J 20 and J 31



They are just Chinese claims which can be taken with a Bucket of Salt

In your Recent exercise with Russia you Brought SU 30 MKK ; H 6 ; JH 7
and NOT J 11 ; J 16

WHY
Bro, while I agree with you that the Chinese are cocky as **** you just opened my eyes. Every single aircraft you used in your comparison are either European, French, Russian or American. None of them are Indian.

The J-20 is already in service, and has the same number of prototypes as the Pak FA. The Chinese have achieved parity with the Russians in terms of aircraft design and radar systems. While their engine is still a generation behind, India is still begging for French help to power its Tejas. The Chinese is already powering J-10s with their own engines.

I don't understand. Are you trying to compare China to Russia and the US? If so, yes they are behind, but they can definitely produce domestic jets that are superior to MKI. So please, don't embarrass yourself any further.
 
Sebastien Roblin

April 29, 2017

The United States Navy’s EA-18G Growler electronic attack fighters are one of a small number of military aircraft types dedicated to the task of jamming—and potentially destroying—hostile radars that could guide deadly surface-to-air missiles against friendly aircraft. This mission is known as Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD). Basically, if a modern air force wants to attack an adversary with significant antiaircraft defenses, it needs an effective SEAD game to avoid insupportable losses.

The Growler is derived from the F-18 Super Hornet fighter, and is faster, more maneuverable, and more heavily armed than preceding aerial jamming platforms based on transport and attack planes. This allows the Growlers to contribute additional firepower to strike missions, keep up with fighter planes they are escorting, and potentially approach a bit closer to hostile air defenses

China’s aviation engineers have never been too proud to copy a good idea from abroad, usually modified with “Chinese characteristics.” Perhaps it is not surprising that they appear to have devised a Growler of their own.

The aircraft in question is a variant of the two-seat J-16 Red Eagle strike plane—itself a Chinese copy of the Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKK Flanker. The two-seat Red Eagle is roughly comparable to the American F-15E, and improves upon the Russian original with new avionics including an Active Electronically Scanned Array radar (AESA), the current state of the art in fighter-based radar technology. While China has had major problems developing reliable high-performance jet engines, it’s more successful at producing advanced electronics, perhaps due to crossover with its civilian electronic sector.

The J-16D variant—the “D” in the designation comes from the Chinese word for “electronic,” diànzǐ—made its first flight on December 18, 2015. Photos were released to the public three days later. Let’s go over the admittedly short list of what the photo tells us.

The J-16D has had its thirty-millimeter cannon and infrared sensor removed; this is not a plane intended to get into short-range dogfights! Instead, there are several new antennas and conformal electronic-warfare arrays along the fuselage. The J-16D’s nose radome is reshaped, possibly to accommodate a more advanced AESA radar. Most importantly, new electronic-warfare pods are mounted on the wingtips that resemble the American ALQ-218 electronic support measure pods on the wingtips of the EA-18G Growler. These are electromagnetic sensors that can analyze radar frequencies and help determine the position of radar-transmitting devices—data that would be highly useful both for jamming radars and for targeting them for destruction.

That’s all that’s known for sure—the PLAAF, after all, is not in the habit of giving detailed briefings about its latest fighters. Let’s move on now to the realm of plausible speculation.

If the J-16D’s airframe has integrated hardware to make jamming and anti-radar missiles more effective, it probably is designed to use jammers and anti-radar missiles. Most likely, it would carry two to three jamming pods the under the wings and fuselage, each optimized versus different radar frequencies. It is thought that these jammers may also use AESA technology.

Even with a maximum load of electronic-warfare gear, the J-16 would have six of its twelve hardpoints free to carry weapons. China has three different types of anti-radiation missiles (ARM), which are designed to home in on enemy radars from afar. The CM-103 missile has a range of sixty-two miles and is probably accurate enough to hit naval and ground targets with its 176-pound warhead. China also has a indigenously developed copy of the Russian Kh-31P missile, known as the YJ-91, which has slightly longer range and also has antiship applications. Finally, there is an LD-10 ARM missile derived from the PL-12 antiaircraft missile. Of course, the J-16D could carry most of the other armaments that the basic Red Eagle fighter can carry on its underwing hardpoints.

China already flies another fighter bomber with electronic warfare capabilities, the domestically designed two-seat JH-7 Flying Leopard, around 240 of which serve in the PLA Air Force and Naval Air Force. Capable of long-range operations and maximum speed of Mach 1.75, the Flying Leopard can carry about twenty thousand pounds of munitions, including anti-radar missiles. Both the base JH-7 and upgraded JH-7A have been photographed with jamming pods, which boast multiple jamming transmitters. However, the Flying Leopard lacks electronic warfare equipment integrated in the airframe, and is thus more limited as an electronic-warfare platform than a purpose-designed aircraft.

China also maintains a modest fleet of larger, slower aircraft that can provide jamming support at standoff range. These include a couple dozen Y-8GX and Y-9GX transports equipped with tactical jammers and other electronic-warfare gear, and HD-6 electronic-warfare planes based on the H-6 bomber. New Xianglong “Soaring Dragon” drones may also have application as tactical jammers.

If Beijing wanted to, it could probably develop a carrier-based equivalent to the J-16D. The J-15 Flying Shark fighters on China’s two Type 001 carriers also share common heritage in the Flanker family of aircraft, and pursuing a similar upgrade of the two-seat J-15SD seems plausible. However, one limitation would be the lower payload that the J-15s can carry, due to the maximum takeoff weight limitations imposed by the Chinese carriers’ ski-jump-style decks. In any case, it is not even clear to what extent the J-16D will be adopted.

After all, China is more famous for how its own missile systems serve in its antiaccess/area-denial strategy. Where might China actually confront enemy air defenses? Of course SEAD aircraft would have application in a conflict with Taiwan or, more unlikely, Japan. However, the electronic-warfare aircraft may be most oriented at countering U.S. Navy surface warships, which bristle with SM-2, SM-6 and Sea Sparrow surface-to-air missiles for shooting down both hostile aircraft and antiship missiles. These are especially potent when their firepower and sensors are coordinated by the Aegis combat system, which include vessels in the American, Japanese, South Korean and (soon) Australian navies.

For example, this Chinese article argues that JH-7ss using a combination of YJ-91 anti-radar missiles and electronic warfare would pose a “nightmare” for Aegis-equipped ships. Of course, using radar jamming alone is not an automatic “win button” against air defenses. However, jamming does degrade their effective radar detection and targeting ranges, making a swarm of attacking missiles or aircraft more likely to overwhelm the defenses.

Beijing is not interested in foreign wars at this time. However, it does seek to alter the military balance of power in the Pacific Ocean. Aircraft like the J-16D suggest the People’s Liberation Army is interested in developing specialized aircraft that will offer China a full spectrum of air-warfare capabilities—just like those of the U.S. military.
 
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