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J-16D - China Builds Its Own 'Wild Weasel' To Suppress Air Defenses

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J-16D brings hammer down on SAMs
Using the J-16/Su-30 airframe, the J-16D deletes some air to air combat gear for cramming in electronic attack equipment that includes electronic intelligence pods.
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While China's Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2/AD) operations rely on heavy air defenses, Chinese air force planners may also have to account for enemy surface to air missiles, all the more with Taiwan and Japan embarking on a new buildup of missile shields. In December, one of the responses was revealed: the Shenyang J-16D.


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The J-16D's wingtips have built in electronic intelligence pods, which intercept enemy electronic signals like radar transmissions, for processing in the fighter's computers, which then tell the J-16D's jammers how to scramble, confuse and block enemy usage of the electromagnetic spectrum.


The J-16D is a J-16/Su-30 multi-role fighter optimized for "Wild Weasel" missions. Starting in the Vietnam War, Wild Weasels are fighters designed to take on surface-to-air missile batteries in a SEAD (Supression of Enemy Air Defense) role. Armed with anti-radiation missiles (which lock on and target radars by their electronic emissions) and electronic intelligence and electronic warfare jammers, they are designed to engage and suppress defenses, opening the way for traditional air attacks.

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Electronic Flanker

This comparision of the J-16D to the baseline J-16, done by noted aviation journalist Andreas Rupprecht, shows that the J-16D has removed its IRST sensor and 30mm cannon, as well as installing addition antennas.

Compared to the baseline J-16, the J-16D has removed its Infrared Search Tracking sensor and 30mm cannon to accommodate more electronics inside its fuselage. It also has several antennas mounted around its fuselage. The J-16D also two large ELINT pods on its wingtips, similar to those on the E/A-18 Growler, to collect enemy radar and electronic activity. Additionally, the J-16D has smaller radome, likely to include an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar optimized for electronic warfare, including signals collection and jamming. The J-16D will be fitted with large AESA jamming pods, a development of current jammers on JH-7A attack aircraft; its attack ability will come from YJ-91, LD-10 and other anti-radiation missiles.

The J-16D provides Chinese aerial operations with a fast, maneuverable and long range EW and Wild Weasel platform that can protect Chinese fighters and bombers like the J-10, J-11, J-15, J-20, J-31 and H-6K bomber. This will be an important requirement in combat operations in increasingly militarized areas like the Taiwan Straits and South China Seas. In combat operations, the J-16 would first use its jammers to disrupt the target and fire control of enemy air defenses, before firing its long range anti-radiation missiles, which are equally deadly against both mobile and fixed air defenses. As a fighter, it can still take part in aerial combat in self defense and to protect other aircraft against enemy fighters.

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CM-102

The CM-102 anti-radiation missile, first seen here at the 2014 Zhuhai Air Show, is a supersonic, 100km range air launched missile with an anti-radiation warhead that homes in on the electronic activity of enemy transmitters like radars. The CM-102 is one of the many attack options for the J-16 to destroy enemy radars and other electronic equipment as part of its Wild Weasel mission.

China's increasing ability to protect its power projection capabilities shows that its advances in military technology are just as much focused on taking action aboard to advance its interests, as opposed to the A2AD narrative of hunkering down against enemy threats. And, much as the US plans for F-35/22, Chinese Wild Weasel capabilities can be expected to migrate to fifth-generation stealth fighters, carrier aircraft, and drones large and small.

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer
http://www.popsci.com/china-builds-its-own-wild-weasel-to-suppress-air-defenses
 
Su 30 MKI of India is the Bigger Predator as compared to J 16

And RAFALE will be the APEX Predator in Asia -- till Japan gets F 35
Grow up man ... just having the similar airframe does not make air crafts sophisticated ...

You are comparing J16D with mki which is a technology of late 90s and is not even equipped with AESA ... The only feather in the cap of MKI is its thrust vectoring ...
 
Grow up man ... just having the similar airframe does not make air crafts sophisticated ...

You are comparing J16D with mki which is a technology of late 90s and is not even equipped with AESA ... The only feather in the cap of MKI is its thrust vectoring ...

ONLY SU 35 which China has bought recently is Superior to SU 30 MKI
J 11 ; J 16 are just clones

And here also we are Upgrading our SU 30 MKI very soon
which will make it equal to Su 35

And with PAK FA and RAFALE coming in --

IAF will remain qualitatively superior
to PLAAF ; No worries for us
 
Su 30 MKI of India is the Bigger Predator as compared to J 16

And RAFALE will be the APEX Predator in Asia -- till Japan gets F 35

If you say so, it must be true.

ONLY SU 35 which China has bought recently is Superior to SU 30 MKI
J 11 ; J 16 are just clones

And here also we are Upgrading our SU 30 MKI very soon
which will make it equal to Su 35

And with PAK FA and RAFALE coming in --

IAF will remain qualitatively superior
to PLAAF ; No worries for us

Are you implying that a Flanker upgraded with AESA radars, EW suites, MAW sensors, airframe enhancements with RAM & composite materials, and newer engines somehow cannot stand toe-to-toe with the Su-30MKI? With the same thought process, I could just as easily claim that a JF-17 is "qualitatively superior" to your Rafale because the Thunder is the self-appointed "APEX predator" in Asia.
 
ONLY SU 35 which China has bought recently is Superior to SU 30 MKI
J 11 ; J 16 are just clones

And here also we are Upgrading our SU 30 MKI very soon
which will make it equal to Su 35

And with PAK FA and RAFALE coming in --

IAF will remain qualitatively superior
to PLAAF ; No worries for us
Again some stupid remarks ...

Talk when MKI is upgraded as of now it is not ... So how are you claiming that MKI is supperior to J16D ...

Its time to support your evidence with one on one comaprison with
1) radar
2) EW suit
3) missiles equipped
4) jamming devices
5) engine thrust

airframe is same so no comparison can be done ... waiting for your answere ..
 
Su 30 MKI of India is the Bigger Predator as compared to J 16

And RAFALE will be the APEX Predator in Asia -- till Japan gets F 35


dude did you even bother to read the article?
or just conjuring up stuff from bottoms?

J-16D is a whole different kind of beast compared to your SU-30MKI and Rafale and no they don't match up in the same role which you didn't comprehend...

We are talking about SAM hunting here ...
 
airframe is same so no comparison can be done ... waiting for your answere ..

We all have our points of view ; The Chinese can claim anything

J 11 and J 16 have Chinese avionics which are Never PEER REVIEWED
by International Observers and experts
unlike Russian ; French and Israeli systems which are sold the world over
and which are a Part of SU 30 MKI

Has J 11 and J 16 been in an Exercise with Russian Air force

Who else has seen their capabilities

J 11 has exercised with ONLY PAF and that too JF 17 ; F 7 P
Not even the PAF F 16

Otherwise why did China buy Russian SU 35 and That too
with SO MANY Russian conditions attached to the deal

China has still a lot of catching up to do in Avionics sector
 
We all have our points of view ; The Chinese can claim anything

J 11 and J 16 have Chinese avionics which are Never PEER REVIEWED
by International Observers and experts
unlike Russian ; French and Israeli systems which are sold the world over
and which are a Part of SU 30 MKI

Has J 11 and J 16 been in an Exercise with Russian Air force

Who else has seen their capabilities

J 11 has exercised with ONLY PAF and that too JF 17 ; F 7 P
Not even the PAF F 16

Otherwise why did China buy Russian SU 35 and That too
with SO MANY Russian conditions attached to the deal

China has still a lot of catching up to do in Avionics sector
Wowww ... no comparison ... just waue statements ... Lets find out contradictions in your statements:

1) J16 is reversed engineered Su27 ... now you are saying it is inferrior and not tested ... As per my knowledge reverse engineered items are copy and replica and offer same capability ... please make up your point ...
2) Russian equipements continously failed in front of western equipment ... You will find 1000s of technical articles on that ... in war russian equipments performed poorly against western ... so if apply this logic even you mki is nothing but a piece of junk ...
3) Do you think PAF is small airforce ... It is one of the world most mightest airforce ... Has one of the most favourable records against all adversaries including Russia, Israel and India ... So exercse with PAF is a learning of its own ...
Now don't derail the thread ... if you have any specific comparison to prove MKI is supperior or even at par with MKI then please share otherwise STFU ...
 
Wowww ... no comparison ... just waue statements ... Lets find out contradictions in your statements:

1) J16 is reversed engineered Su27 ... now you are saying it is inferrior and not tested ... As per my knowledge reverse engineered items are copy and replica and offer same capability ... please make up your point ...
2) Russian equipements continously failed in front of western equipment ... You will find 1000s of technical articles on that ... in war russian equipments performed poorly against western ... so if apply this logic even you mki is nothing but a piece of junk ...
3) Do you think PAF is small airforce ... It is one of the world most mightest airforce ... Has one of the most favourable records against all adversaries including Russia, Israel and India ... So exercse with PAF is a learning of its own ...
Now don't derail the thread ... if you have any specific comparison to prove MKI is supperior or even at par with MKI then please share otherwise STFU ...

OK ; you believe what you want

We believe that OUR SU 30 MKI is Better than PLAAF planes ( Except SU 35)
 
We all have our points of view ; The Chinese can claim anything

J 11 and J 16 have Chinese avionics which are Never PEER REVIEWED
by International Observers and experts

None of what you've mentioned disproves any existing data about the J-11B/D/16's avionics. Just because a system isn't an open book doesn't imply a lack of capability.

Has J 11 and J 16 been in an Exercise with Russian Air force

Who else has seen their capabilities

J 11 has exercised with ONLY PAF and that too JF 17 ; F 7 P
Not even the PAF F 16

Does it matter if it hasn't? The Rafale has never exercised with the Russians and yet that seems to be an exception to your golden rules of Internet aviation.

Otherwise why did China buy Russian SU 35 and That too
with SO MANY Russian conditions attached to the deal

The question should be: why were the Russians so eager to sell the Su-35? Why did the Chinese ask to retrofit them with their own avionics? Why are the Chinese building the J-11D, J-15A, J-11B, & J-16 when the supposedly-"superior" Su-35 could fit all those gaps?

China has still a lot of catching up to do in Avionics sector

Are you sure? The Chinese have deployed AESA radars on the J-10C, J-15A, J-11B, J-16, and J-11D, in addition to their 5th generation aircraft, surveillance platforms, and a few helicopters. There are multiple research facilities that compete with each other for military contracts. Do the Russians have the same level of flexibility when it comes to avionics selection & bidding?
 
Does it matter if it hasn't? The Rafale has never exercised with the Russians and yet that seems to be an exception to your golden rules of Internet aviation.

Rafale has exercised with Indian SU 30 MKI and USAF F 22 and Eurofighter

Is that GOOD enough for you
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The question should be: why were the Russians so eager to sell the Su-35? Why did the Chinese ask to retrofit them with their own avionics? Why are the Chinese building the J-11D, J-15A, J-11B, & J-16 when the supposedly-"superior" Su-35 could fit all those gaps?

It was China which pursued Russia for several years and AGREED to all
its EARLIER IPR violations and agreed to stringent conditions
such as Not Reverse Engineering SU 35 and Not selling the Clones Like J 11 and J 16

If China is building Various variants ; it is precisely because it wants to catch up
with the West on its OWN without Russian assistance

Your J 20 and J 31 are at least Five years away

You need a Credible Fourth Generation fleet against US ; Taiwan and Japan

And All J 11 ; J 16 etc also help as Test Beds for J 20 and J 31

Are you sure? The Chinese have deployed AESA radars on the J-10C, J-15A, J-11B, J-16, and J-11D, in addition to their 5th generation aircraft, surveillance platforms, and a few helicopters. There are multiple research facilities that compete with each other for military contracts. Do the Russians have the same level of flexibility when it comes to avionics selection & bidding?

They are just Chinese claims which can be taken with a Bucket of Salt

In your Recent exercise with Russia you Brought SU 30 MKK ; H 6 ; JH 7
and NOT J 11 ; J 16

WHY
 
Rafale has exercised with Indian SU 30 MKI and USAF F 22 and Eurofighter

Is that GOOD enough for you

An exercise (in which the avionics of the respective aircraft of each nation would be limited) is an expression of political goodwill, and at time an opportunity to exchange notes on tactics, skill, & strategy. Under artificial circumstances, it is extremely difficult to gauge the full capabilities of a platform's avionics, especially when we do not have the result of such exercises.

It was China which pursued Russia for several years and AGREED to all
its EARLIER IPR violations and agreed to stringent conditions
such as Not Reverse Engineering SU 35 and Not selling the Clones Like J 11 and J 16

The trend of the reports of the deal is heavily suggestive that Russia is far more eager to sell than the Chinese are to buy. In fact, the willingness of Russia to sell the Su-35 in light of earlier IPR violations highlights that eagerness.

If China is building Various variants ; it is precisely because it wants to catch up
with the West on its OWN without Russian assistance

That's not how military purchases work. As demonstrated with prior Su-30MKK/MK2 purchases, such assets are bought in accordance to their capabilities & price. The fact that so few Su-35s are bought, and concurrent production of more advanced J-11X variants, is indicative that the Chinese view the Su-35 as a stop-gap until its own J-11D/16/15 come into service, or as a platform to increase the quantity of their fleet.

Your J 20 and J 31 are at least Five years away

J-20 entered initial operating capability in December 2016.

You need a Credible Fourth Generation fleet against US ; Taiwan and Japan

You need to brush up on the J-10A/B/C, J-11B/A/H, J-15, J-16, & Su-30MKK/MK2.

And All J 11 ; J 16 etc also help as Test Beds for J 20 and J 31

You don't mass-produce "test-beds" in quantities exceeding 200.

They are just Chinese claims which can be taken with a Bucket of Salt

Claims? You do realize that every other statement that you've made of the Russian & French aircraft are also 'claims', no?
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In your Recent exercise with Russia you Brought SU 30 MKK ; H 6 ; JH 7
and NOT J 11 ; J 16

WHY

The Su-30MKK was purchased over 16 years ago, and so was the JH-7. The J-11B & J-16 are entering service & being mass-produced now (the J-11B entered service in 2008, the J-16 in 2014).

And no, the Su-30MKK & JH-7 were not purchased during exercises.
 
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