J-11 for Pakistan?

[SBD-3]

Why J-11 is so much better than the J-10?

because J-11 is primarily designed as a Air superiority fighter capable of long and deep srtikes like MKI but J-10 is much more like an interceptor designed for hi end BVR engagements
J-11 BS designed by china are in the same league as MKK2 and the development is going on J-11 is a vatren figther while J-10 is yet to see an opertaional enviornament

 

[hj786]

because J-11 is primarily designed as a Air superiority fighter capable of long and deep srtikes like MKI but J-10 is much more like an interceptor designed for hi end BVR engagements
J-11 BS designed by china are in the same league as MKK2 and the development is going on J-11 is a vatren figther while J-10 is yet to see an opertaional enviornament

J-10 is better at air superiority than J-11 according to many Chinese fellows due to its more advanced delta wing and canard layout, they also say it has thrashed J-11 in mock combat. The only advantage J-11 has is bigger radar and longer range, which can be overcome by J-10 using AEWC and aerial refuelling.

 

[mean_bird]

J-11 has potential advantages over J-10 some of which are greater room for a better radar, more load carrying capability, longer range, etc.

Even the Chinese officials have stated that J-11 is the premier fighter from China.

 

[sancho]

J-11 has potential advantages over J-10 some of which are greater room for a better radar, more load carrying capability, longer range, etc.

Even the Chinese officials have stated that J-11 is the premier fighter from China.

That's right! Even if J10 could be better in air combats (especially WVR), in strike missions J11 should have advantages with payload and internal fuel. It is clearly a good high low mix!

 

[maverick2009]

I don,t believe for one second that J10 can thrash a J11

Thats just publicity..

J10 is just in its infancy as yet

 

[muslim282]

Even though the chinese had licence manufacture of the J11 as far as I heard did they not halt production and stopped parts for new builds from russia. The chinese only stated that the J10 had more than met these needs.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Well people think India is cozying up with US. Yes but we are not ignoring Russians too. If you see the orders for Russia it already has $20 billion already invested in it. The production lines there are full with Indian orders. C17 was got because it can carry more than what IL 76 can. That is why. The A330 was ordered because it also had tactical air lift capablity.

 

[notorious_eagle]

I don,t believe for one second that J10 can thrash a J11

Thats just publicity..

J10 is just in its infancy as yet

Believe what you want but its not going to change the facts. As HJ786 mentioned the Chinese have said that J10A defeated J11 in mock combat. J10 has much more potential than any other 4.5 generation aircrafts, i certinely believe that J10B will be the best 4.5 generation aircraft.

 

[hj786]

That's right! Even if J10 could be better in air combats (especially WVR), in strike missions J11 should have advantages with payload and internal fuel. It is clearly a good high low mix!

The whole point of the delta-canard layout is supersonic as well as sub-sonic agility, this was a requirement of the Novi Avion, a single-engine Rafale that was cancelled. Supersonic agility has significant advantages in BVR combat, check the brochure of the Typhoon. Certainly J-10 and J-11 are a good high low mix, but if you had to pick one, wouldn't you rather pick the J-10? Its aerodynamic design seems to be more advanced and with force multipliers like AWACS and AAR, it becomes just as capable as any J-11. Not to mention far cheaper to buy and maintain.

Believe what you want but its not going to change the facts. As HJ786 mentioned the Chinese have said that J10A defeated J11 in mock combat. J10 has much more potential than any other 4.5 generation aircrafts, i certinely believe that J10B will be the best 4.5 generation aircraft.

Nonsense, don't talk like that bro. Typhoon's aerodynamic layout appears to be more advanced because its canards are further forward and lower down, they have a much greater effect on airflow over and under the wing.
Western 4.5 gen fighters will almost certainly be more advanced in terms of electronics, radars, weaponry, etc, because these countries have been researching and developing these things for longer than China. The question is will their owners be willing to export their very best electronics to other countries - they won't, they'll export downgraded stuff. Even China does this to Pakistan.

 

[sancho]

Certainly J-10 and J-11 are a good high low mix, but if you had to pick one, wouldn't you rather pick the J-10? Its aerodynamic design seems to be more advanced and with force multipliers like AWACS and AAR, it becomes just as capable as any J-11. Not to mention far cheaper to buy and maintain.

To be honest, no! I would make the J11 more maneuverable like India did with MKI, or go for a double engine J10, because it can carry more external payload, more internal fuel and could have even better t/w ratios.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

yes,we should go for j11,with TVC,six wings and we should use the su37s radar in j11 to counter deadliest mki.

 

[SBD-3]

yes,we should go for j11,with TVC,six wings and we should use the su37s radar in j11 to counter deadliest mki.

it sure is one of the biggest but not the deadliest
if PAF would get J-11,it also would need infra sturucture j-10 is more suitable as it is very simillar to JF-17 in many aspects (not airodynamics) so j-10 will be easily absorbed rather than J-11.China offered PAF WITH J-11 but PAF refused it for J-10 (rupee news)
correct me if im wrong

 

[sancho]

yes,we should go for j11,with TVC,six wings and we should use the su37s radar in j11 to counter deadliest mki.

Actually you would have a MKI then, because the N-011M PESA radar and the AL 31 FP with TVC are from SU 37.

MILAVIA Aircraft - Sukhoi Su-37 Terminator

 

[SBD-3]

PAF is at the moment looking for Light Combat Airplanes like Thunder or Vigorus Dragon once we acquire the knowlidge of Building Aircraft, we will eventually make better airframes but heavy fighthers, being maintainence intensive are costly a bit too much for an economically constrained AF like PAF.Though I have a sneaky feeling that PAF would eventually go for J-11 as an experience to build heave ACs but 1st priority is J-10 anf JF-17 atleast for 2015-2016

 

[Fracker]

Why we need J-11? we should more inficize on technology rather then planes. Also R&D should done & should part of the plane which is completely missing in PAF. China, US are going for space war and we are still sitting in airodynamics era.

PS: I am nothing talking about studying the buying models but actual R&D.