J-10B - Information

[teddy]

A unmanned steath bomber in diamond shape was in development...I bellieve.

 

[marshall]

so what is the most advanced jet in China's arsenal besides the j20?

J-11B which is said to be better than the best SU-30 variants and comparable to late model F-15s, although I doubt the latter claim.

 

[Zabaniyah]

^J-11B do not sport AESA yet. The F-15 already does however.

 

[scholseys]

Good to see China making huge advancements in the aviation industry.

 

[Akasa]

F-16 E/F

Its combat capabilities are vastly inferior to its dual engine counterparts like the Eurofighter and Rafale. Single engine crafts are often cheaper (both due to engine count/maintenance and frame costs), less reliable, slower and have shorter combat range. These jets have no offensive capability and are mainly for interception hence its export demand.

It won't be until this J-20 hype comes into service, will we see if China has surpassed Europe in military aviation. (even though the engine is likely to be Russian for quite a while)

Yes, the J-10B is "vastly inferior" due to its stealthier profile, higher thrust to weight ratio, more powerful avionics.

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source, look alike?

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which area? aivonics, BV capability, multipul target engagement capability or its radar?

The J-10B uses more lightweight materials, RAM, and has redesigns to reduce its RCS. Its radar also has more modules although that is not confirmed, and its engine is more powerful.

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J-11B which is said to be better than the best SU-30 variants and comparable to late model F-15s, although I doubt the latter claim.

J-15 is believed to be upgraded over the J-11B. Both are still 4.5 generation fighters though

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^J-11B do not sport AESA yet. The F-15 already does however.

J-11B does or is getting them

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Well, most westerns consider the two "front line fighters" china produced (the JF-17 and the J-10A/B) as roughly equivalent to the F-16 A/B and F-16 C/D blk 30/40 at most.

The canards do not mean super agility by themselves. We have yet to see the J-10 in Sukhoi like stunts.
The canards are control surfaces and provide advantages only if the design of the airframe has inherent traits.
AESA doesn't mean much as a feature if it isn't good, MiG-35 has an AESA and although good, it doesn't outperform the F-16 blk 52+ conventional radar performance and it definitely doesn't outperform the EF2000 captor radar.

I see the J-10B as a good front line fighter, slightly les capable than the F-16, but if you can buy 2 J-10s for the price of one F-16 and it has the same reliability then it is more than good.

We should not speculate too wildly. It is ludicrous to think that the J-10A is just a F-16C and the J-10B is just a F-16D.

Instead, what we should do is establish upper and lower bounds for performance based on known parameters and intelligent guessing.

 

[Akasa]

Well, most westerns consider the two "front line fighters" china produced (the JF-17 and the J-10A/B) as roughly equivalent to the F-16 A/B and F-16 C/D blk 30/40 at most.

The canards do not mean super agility by themselves. We have yet to see the J-10 in Sukhoi like stunts.
The canards are control surfaces and provide advantages only if the design of the airframe has inherent traits.
AESA doesn't mean much as a feature if it isn't good, MiG-35 has an AESA and although good, it doesn't outperform the F-16 blk 52+ conventional radar performance and it definitely doesn't outperform the EF2000 captor radar.

I see the J-10B as a good front line fighter, slightly les capable than the F-16, but if you can buy 2 J-10s for the price of one F-16 and it has the same reliability then it is more than good.

Less capable than the F-16?

Name a fighter that has 1200 modules for AESA, has extensive redesigns for stealthiness, considerable amount of RAM, 50% lightweight materials, 132 kN engine, solid state integrated electronics.

 

[sancho]

Since this is J-10B - Information thread, can we collect some sources and specs of the fighter?

- empty weight
- internal fuel
- content of composites (compared to J10A as a base)
- Dry and AB thrust
- radar detection against certain target size
- EWS sensors

and so on. Maybe also websites or blogs with good/reliable infos.

 

[nomi007]

I think this pic has been posted several times on PDF

i already post this picture

 

[nomi007]

why china is not installing Conformal fuel tanks

i past china use j-7g
which had cft

 

[truthseeker2010]

does J-10B has more payload capacity then J-10A?

 

[Roybot]

i past china use j-7g
which had cft

Thats a fanboy CG. Not the real deal.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Well, most westerns consider the two "front line fighters" china produced (the JF-17 and the J-10A/B) as roughly equivalent to the F-16 A/B and F-16 C/D blk 30/40 at most.

Says who? If you'd like to debate this.... I'm up for it!
All i have to do is search up the 500+ replies I've posted on IDF, arguing against the same BS you post here.

The canards do not mean super agility by themselves. We have yet to see the J-10 in Sukhoi like stunts.
The canards are control surfaces and provide advantages only if the design of the airframe has inherent traits.

What like the useless Cobra?

Cobra? requires a certain situation.... you can't just cobra for the hell of it.... secondly.... cobra requires a clean airframe....thirdly if not done right, it can put you in some serious sh*t also it requires pilots with great skill. Cobra? maybe just maybe it will be used one day.... for now... it's useless!

If you are talking about overall maneuverability... J-10A had decent wing loading, lower then the F-16's, F-15s wing loading, it pulls about the same level of G's as other aircraft and in terms of AoA, I can tell you this by just from watching videos of the J-10 that the AoA is at the very least comparable to the F-16A if not better!

And note that these airshows, the J-10s had some good speed on them too, they were flying at around 400-500 knots.
I urge you not to talk about things you don't know about!

Secondly, gone are the days where in a dogfight only pilot skill and maneuverability counted.
A J-10, with a Good HMDS and Pl-5eII will make quick work of any maneuverable jet that lacks the same capability.

Systems like JHMCS are built to neutralize the advantage of super maneuverable aircraft.

AESA doesn't mean much as a feature if it isn't good, MiG-35 has an AESA and although good, it doesn't outperform the F-16 blk 52+ conventional radar performance and it definitely doesn't outperform the EF2000 captor radar.

Well take this into account... The J-10B's AESA is said to have 1200 T/R modules and LPI features...
Next the Radomme should be larger than the JF-17's... therefore larger then even the Eurofighter's Captor, further justification of this view is the larger nose made to accommodate DSI. Not to mention it will have an outstanding power output to go along with it...

Please mate, if you'd like to learn about AESA or other radars, please just ask, don't talk about things you don't understand.

I see the J-10B as a good front line fighter, slightly les capable than the F-16,

The J-10A, I'd say is at least as capable as the Block 40 F-16. In terms of airframe, powerplant, avionics and weaponry.
My estimates are that the J-10B will outclass even the F-16Block 60/IN. Please prove me wrong if you can!

but if you can buy 2 J-10s for the price of one F-16 and it has the same reliability then it is more than good.

They are more or less the same in terms of cost, the J-10A being comparable to the Block 40 is slightly cheaper, what makes them really different in terms of price are the price of the weapons and avionics packages.

Take PAF's Block 52s, together with weapons and avionics, we payed $80 million a piece for the F-16s.
The J-10A/B is equal if not better then it's counterparts while still being affordable.

 

[amalakas]

Less capable than the F-16?

Name a fighter that has 1200 modules for AESA, has extensive redesigns for stealthiness, considerable amount of RAM, 50% lightweight materials, 132 kN engine, solid state integrated electronics.

yes the F-16. and by the way, the DSI does not equal stealth redesign.

 

[applesauce]

why china is not installing Conformal fuel tanks