J-10 might not needed as they don't add anything to PAF's capability

[sohail.ishaque]

China has ambitions, we are a tough nation."! I would rather die hard out on the battle field rather than cozy up to the USA. You can see it only take some 10 more years we already have J20 ready for induction. Number is very important as well as the tech advancement. Although J10c maybe not as well as Rafale, but at the cheaper price it charge. 10 billions of 36 Rafale can't afford 200 J10b/c, don't tell 200 J10c can't beat the shit of 36 Rafale. No matter how Rafale is good , it can only carry certain amount of weapon load per. It not fire laser gun!? WTF. Most Chinese think PAF doesn't want J10b/c cause they can't afford it, the real reason behind is that they even don't wanna take a galance at it. That's unbelievable. As a tough leader with military expertise, Musharaff just tell PAF the right thing to do in terms of per strategically, now PAF sure outmatch the current government.

well, u got it wrong, i dont think its about J10c, i think PAF dont wanna take a glance at any other Jet other then F16. I think even if J20/PakFa/F22 are offered on free plate, still then PAF might not b interested in it, but the F16 and F16 only....

 

[his5850]

Hi,

Why would you replace the F16's---just because you are not getting any free ones anymore is no reason to replace them when they still have some 15-20 years of life left on them.

The 3 to 4 years term is called Integration---we already know about that---that is why we have been talkign for the last many years for the procurement of the J10's so that they can be integrated and fully operation before the Rafale hits the indian shore---,

And at time---possibly the newest of chinese gadgets would be coming out because the J20 would also be fully operation in the next 2-4 years.

Paf failed one more time to ascertain the level of threat and the availability of their favorite aircraft. Their love affair with the F16's have sabotaged the security of pakistan and made pakistan's defences weaker.

my point was very simple J10 Integration will going to take us away from replacing the old fleet i meant to say was 1st replace the older planes improve your JF-17 to block 3 then you decide whether you want to make JF-17 bigger or buy J-10 India going to buy Rafale any way they are not going to be India less then 4 years in 2 years you going to have JF-17 block 3 after then you will have time and resources to replace F-16 or Integration of J-10 i am not saying J-10 is bad or any thing don't do it right now do it after JF-17 block 3 spend your money on JF-17 right now and after that spend it on which ever plane you like

 

[MastanKhan]

my point was very simple J10 Integration will going to take us away from replacing the old fleet i meant to say was 1st replace the older planes improve your JF-17 to block 3 then you decide whether you want to make JF-17 bigger or buy J-10 India going to buy Rafale any way they are not going to be India less then 4 years in 2 years you going to have JF-17 block 3 after then you will have time and resources to replace F-16 or Integration of J-10 i am not saying J-10 is bad or any thing don't do it right now do it after JF-17 block 3 spend your money on JF-17 right now and after that spend it on which ever plane you like

Sir,

I thank you very for your reply----but I cannot understand a single line of what you are writing.

If you could use shorter sentences and smaller paragraphs---it is easier to read.

 

[his5850]

Sir,

I thank you very for your reply----but I cannot understand a single line of what you are writing.

If you could use shorter sentences and smaller paragraphs---it is easier to read.

1st) build JF-17 to block 3 (2nd) replace PAF old planes then spend money on other planes which ever is best choice

 

[New World]

IAF is going to buy 2 types of medium weight fighter jet one is rafale and second is most probably F-18 E/F or the upgraded F-18I.. and PAF haven't chose anything to counter them.. is there any fighter jet other than f-16 to counter rafale and f-18?

@MastanKhan @Windjammer @volatile @ACE OF THE AIR

 

[MastanKhan]

1st) build JF-17 to block 3 (2nd) replace PAF old planes then spend money on other planes which ever is best choice

Hi,

It does not work that way---you have to start with top down----. The top is your SHINING SWORD----that kkeps the enemies away---.

The paf took a gamble with the french avionics---and it failed due to bad management----. They were trying to replace old planes---it backfired----they cannot refill positions for old planes---they cannot fill the hole at the top now---there are serious problems.

One thing to rember is that if your outer Parameter security is firm and secure---your inner parameter security will be firm and secure----but if you are just a shell outside---the inside would crack.

So---if your top tier is strong---and you plan well---you get the pick of the litter.

Rich people with more money get more money---poor people with less money cannot get anything.

IAF is going to buy 2 types of medium weight fighter jet one is rafale and second is most probably F-18 E/F or the upgraded F-18I.. and PAF haven't chose anything to counter them.. is there any fighter jet other than f-16 to counter rafale and f-18?

@MastanKhan @Windjammer @volatile @ACE OF THE AIR

Hi,

Off course---the eurofighter for one-----then also look for the J10C----. Hook up with aselsan / vixen for avionics---use these 3 to 4 years in the right manner and you have something to counter the Rafale in 6 years in yout J10C's.

 

[C130]

only way J-10C makes sense is if you stop developing and buying JF-17, but you are totally committed to the JF-17!!

Pakistan needs two birds for two distinct roles

1. Air Superiority Fighter (Su-35,F-15)
2. Fighter-Bomber (JH-7B, F-111)

J-10 makes no sense and this is why Pakistan hasn't procured it yet since it already has a superior bird in the F-16 and a mini J-10 in the JF-17


Pakistan needs to man up and spend some big bucks if it wants to keep up with it's neighbors


72 Su-35
36 JH-7B


would be a start

 

[MastanKhan]

only way J-10C makes sense is if you stop developing and buying JF-17, but you are totally committed to the JF-17!!

Pakistan needs two birds for two distinct roles

1. Air Superiority Fighter (Su-35,F-15)
2. Fighter-Bomber (JH-7B, F-111)

J-10 makes no sense and this is why Pakistan hasn't procured it yet since it already has a superior bird in the F-16 and a mini J-10 in the JF-17


Pakistan needs to man up and spend some big bucks if it wants to keep up with it's neighbors


72 Su-35
36 JH-7B


would be a start

Hi,

The J10 is for the replacement of the F16----.

But as you mentioned---paf needs the JH7B and an air superiority heavy aircraft. It just got trapped in its love affair of the F16 that it neglected to look at anything else.

 

[C130]

Hi,

The J10 is for the replacement of the F16----.

But as you mentioned---paf needs the JH7B and an air superiority heavy aircraft. It just got trapped in its love affair of the F16 that it neglected to look at anything else.

J-10 is inferior to the F-16 in all regards. J-10 is considered 3.5 gen fighter.


now if you could go back in time and chose the J-10 instead of JF-17 that would have made the most sense. It can carry 2x the amount of weaponry as the JF-17


J-10C is simply inferior to the Su-30MKI,Mig-29, and Rafale. It would be very unwise buy J-10 to replace F-16s or even to supplement them.

 

[Jhon Smith]

J-10 is inferior to the F-16 in all regards. J-10 is considered 3.5 gen fighter.

100 % agree , and v can say yes relative to its time, and still today, the F-16 is a top choice for countries around the world. The F-16 may be on its way 2 being phased out, but, it will be a while before even the U.S. has completely replaced them with the F-22 and F-35.
Innovative
When the F-16 arrived on the scene it brought with is certain innovations that made it a top air-to-air fighter.
A cockpit that was unencumbered by a frame allowed the pilot to have near 360 degrees of view of the battle field. Its elevated and inclined pilot seat enabled the pilot to handle near 9G turns, allowing it to turn tighter on the competition. Then you have the fly-by-wire controls creating faster response and smoother flights. And last, but certainly not least, a side mounted joystick (A side-stick this is found in aircraft that are equipped with fly-by-wire control systems). Moving this to the pilot’s right side versus the traditional center mounted control stick let the pilot maintain control in during tight maneuvers as his arm was supported on an arm rest.

1st) build JF-17 to block 3 (2nd) replace PAF old planes then spend money on other planes which ever is best choice

is that news true about F 16 jets as USa r going to end its production , r they going to sell F 16 manufacturing plant to india???



SINGAPORE: US fighter jet maker Lockheed Martin today said it is ready to manufacture F-16 aircraft in India and supports the ongoing talks between the two countries to set up the first manufacturing facility, one of the largest projects under the 'Make in India' initiative.


Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[HAIDER]

J-10 is inferior to the F-16 in all regards. J-10 is considered 3.5 gen fighter.

100 % agree , and v can say yes relative to its time, and still today, the F-16 is a top choice for countries around the world. The F-16 may be on its way 2 being phased out, but, it will be a while before even the U.S. has completely replaced them with the F-22 and F-35.
Innovative
When the F-16 arrived on the scene it brought with is certain innovations that made it a top air-to-air fighter.
A cockpit that was unencumbered by a frame allowed the pilot to have near 360 degrees of view of the battle field. Its elevated and inclined pilot seat enabled the pilot to handle near 9G turns, allowing it to turn tighter on the competition. Then you have the fly-by-wire controls creating faster response and smoother flights. And last, but certainly not least, a side mounted joystick (A side-stick this is found in aircraft that are equipped with fly-by-wire control systems). Moving this to the pilot’s right side versus the traditional center mounted control stick let the pilot maintain control in during tight maneuvers as his arm was supported on an arm rest.

is that news true about F 16 jets as USa r going to end its production , r they going to sell F 16 manufacturing plant to india???



SINGAPORE: US fighter jet maker Lockheed Martin today said it is ready to manufacture F-16 aircraft in India and supports the ongoing talks between the two countries to set up the first manufacturing facility, one of the largest projects under the 'Make in India' initiative.


Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

F35 maturity date is 2025 , till then F16 is not going anywhere. Plus, too much money involved in F16 production line and will not be abandon anytime soon. Expected date of end production is 2050, but still its speculation. Market has artificial shortage of 5th generation. Actually non country US or Russia is interested in investing money in advance jet fighter. Because, first there is no customer and second no threats, Third war scenarios are changed , now insurgency and terrorism strikes , where US control them by using vintage Branco type plane with precision strike weapons.
Cost of production of new plane is high, where buyers market has no enough resources to buy and maintained them for long period of time.

 

[Jhon Smith]

F35 maturity date is 2025 , till then F16 is not going anywhere. Plus, too much money involved in F16 production line and will not be abandon anytime soon. Expected date of end production is 2050, but still its speculation. Market has artificial shortage of 5th generation. Actually non country US or Russia is interested in investing money in advance jet fighter. Because, first there is no customer and second no threats, Third war .

I agree with u. Most of the buying of weapons r Asian countries..
USA air-force fighter pilots r in love with F 16 machine it seems they will keep operate them for next 10 years, Check out this video highlighting Airmen from the 100th Fighter Squadron showcasing what it means to be a F-16 fighter pilot over the skies of Afghanistan.

One F-16 can kill 1000 people in an hour, just imagine that how much deadly weapon is this.

 

[MastanKhan]

J-10 is inferior to the F-16 in all regards. J-10 is considered 3.5 gen fighter.


now if you could go back in time and chose the J-10 instead of JF-17 that would have made the most sense. It can carry 2x the amount of weaponry as the JF-17


J-10C is simply inferior to the Su-30MKI,Mig-29, and Rafale. It would be very unwise buy J-10 to replace F-16s or even to supplement them.

Hi,

The problem now is that the paf needs to fill two positions----. The JF17 is to fill in when the F7's and the mirages retire----ok---190 of them.

But this is a new problem---paf did not anticipate the issues with the F16's. They did not expect what has happened----.

They need another 50-60 F16's to fill their top tier. Now what are they going to do. The production of the JF17's is limited---chinese promised to help to increase it by manufacturing it at Catic---.

So---something have to give---.

The J10C is going to be an argument---3.5---gen or 4th gen----. No blue blooded american would ever accept the J10 C to be superior to the BLK 52---.

It could be---you need to ask some of the pakistani pilots who have operated it. The rpoblem is not with the J10's---it is the f16 mafia that dominates the air force----.

This mafia is so strong that it has even sabotaged the induction of a fighter bomber type of aircraft into the air force.

So when SU 35 and Rafales and Eurofighter are not available----what are you going to get.

Chinese avionics are going to be at 150% of capability in the next 4 years as compared to today.---Aselsan is going to come up pretty strong in the next 5 years as well.

Supposedly the Rafale deal is not fully signed yet---. We have a margin of 3-5 years----.

So---for what reason---when nothing else is available---that we should not go for the J10C with aesa / dedicated IRST---high off bore sight WVR missile ( we never going to get that for the F16's )---and the option to get any tier one avionics and weapons for this aircraft.

 

[帅的一匹]

I agree with u. Most of the buying of weapons r Asian countries..
USA air-force fighter pilots r in love with F 16 machine it seems they will keep operate them for next 10 years, Check out this video highlighting Airmen from the 100th Fighter Squadron showcasing what it means to be a F-16 fighter pilot over the skies of Afghanistan.

One F-16 can kill 1000 people in an hour, just imagine that how much deadly weapon is this.

What if the right arm got injured in the air combat? Use your left arm to drive it? I call the hype on USA weapon is now too much, it's exaggeration. We once hit down U2 recon with SA2, and also helped to get down F117 as well. F16 can kill 1000 people in an hour? I can kill millions by one H bomb in a seconds. Once we hit down one F22, it will retire same as F117? An fine Sam system and decent anti stealthy radar can bring down F22 anytime we want.

 

[帅的一匹]

Had USA given AIM120 or AIM9x to PAF?