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Narendra Modi’s visit to Lahore on Dec. 25 was heralded as a historic moment in India-Pakistan relations. But the deadly attacks on the Pathankot military base on Jan. 2, and the Indian consulate in Afghanistan’s Mazar-i-Sharif on Jan. 3, have emerged as major spoilers. The bonhomie achieved on Christmas Day is dissipating fast.

The developing consensus in the Indian media is that Pakistan-based jihadists—this time allegedly Jaish-e-Mohammad in Pathankot, and the Taliban in Mazar-i-Sharif—have acted to sabotage the Modi-Nawaz Sharif rapprochement. And the underlying assumption is that these attacks could not have been carried out without the support of Pakistan military’s intelligence network.

While one cannot deny the historical civil-military split in Pakistan, the wars, and perennial conflict, the blanket view that the country’s military is intent on spreading terror and destruction in India must be challenged.

Since 2009, 31 military installations, including airbases and intelligence headquarters, have been attacked by the militants affiliated with the Al Qaeda, the Pakistani Taliban, and its affiliate and the sectarian killer group, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ). The attacks on Pakistan’s naval and air bases have led to the destruction of expensive equipment and loss of military personnel. If terrorism is sponsored singularly by Pakistan’s intelligence networks, then it would be irrational to believe that the military attacks its own installations.


There seem to be few takers of Pakistan’s position as a “victim of terrorism.” The facts, however, cannot be brushed aside. More than 80,000 Pakistanis, including 6,300 or more security personnel, have been killed during the past decade.


The reality is that the militias since the Afghan jihad have fragmented, made further worse by the Al Qaeda’s operations for more than a decade. Pakistan is fighting this menace—mostly a result of continued regional conflict and its past security policies—and trying to eliminate these networks. Official statements from Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif and the military leadership, led by Army chief General Raheel Sharif, have indicated that the erstwhile distinction between good and bad Taliban no longer stands. Skepticism has been aired about these pronouncements since much more needs to be done to undo the militant infrastructure. But Pakistan is moving in that direction. In recent months, the state has eliminated the LeJ leadership, and several groups that comprise the Pakistani Taliban.




On top of that, Sharif would not have fixed an informal meeting with Modi without taking the military into confidence. He has avoided direct confrontation with the military in his third tenure. Reuters, citing security sources, had reported in December that the military paved the way for reviving stalled India-Pakistan dialogue process. The appointment of a retired general as national security advisor (NSA) provides the military a direct stake in the dialogue with India.




The rogue elements within the security apparatus that aided terror groups in the past have not gone unnoticed. Attacks on Pakistan’s military, and even the former president Musharraf, have happened with collusion at lower levels. But it is too early to conclude in that direction. Also, things have changed since 2008 Mumbai attacks. The incentive to escalate conflict with India is perhaps at its lowest—not because there has been a fundamental shift in the way Pakistani state works or imagines its nationalism. The regional dynamics necessitate this change. Pakistan of 2015 is aspiring for economic integration with China’s “One Belt, One Road” programme; and aiming to become a transit hub of energy trade.




Perhaps more than the West, it is China’s leverage with the Pakistan military that is driving the effort to de-escalate. Both China and Russia—tackling Islamist insurgencies at home—want Pakistan to hasten its march into a post-jihad moment and ensure that the Islamic State does not find a base in Afghanistan or Pakistan.




This is why it is difficult to endorse the Sharif-sabotaging-the-other-Sharif theory.




Having said that, Pakistan’s civil and military leaders have to find a solution for the jihad industry that has grown—with state patronage—around the Kashmir issue. How elaborate it is, and how much of it is under the state control are questions that must be addressed now. Non-state actors must not be allowed to fuel conflict between nuclear nations. In South Asia 2060: Envisioning Regional Futures, Stephen Cohen had indicated one of the “plausible” future scenarios as one where non-state actors spur a nuclear conflict leading to a shattered region. Militant groups causing cross-border attacks have to be stopped by Pakistan and India through cooperation and dialogue. If the talks collapse, it would mean that terrorists achieved their objective. This is what Modi and Sharif need to deliberate in the days to come. At the very least, the NSAs should reopen communication channels and continue fromwhere they left in Bangkok a month ago.

Source: It’s time India stops blaming Pakistan for every terror attack on its soil - Quartz

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Don't always blame Islamabad. (AP Photo/Channi Anand)

Narendra Modi’s visit to Lahore on Dec. 25 was heralded as a historic moment in India-Pakistan relations. But the deadly attacks on the Pathankot military base on Jan. 2, and the Indian consulate in Afghanistan’s Mazar-i-Sharif on Jan. 3, have emerged as major spoilers. The bonhomie achieved on Christmas Day is dissipating fast.

The developing consensus in the Indian media is that Pakistan-based jihadists—this time allegedly Jaish-e-Mohammad in Pathankot, and the Taliban in Mazar-i-Sharif—have acted to sabotage the Modi-Nawaz Sharif rapprochement. And the underlying assumption is that these attacks could not have been carried out without the support of Pakistan military’s intelligence network.

While one cannot deny the historical civil-military split in Pakistan, the wars, and perennial conflict, the blanket view that the country’s military is intent on spreading terror and destruction in India must be challenged.

Since 2009, 31 military installations, including airbases and intelligence headquarters, have been attacked by the militants affiliated with the Al Qaeda, the Pakistani Taliban, and its affiliate and the sectarian killer group, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ). The attacks on Pakistan’s naval and air bases have led to the destruction of expensive equipment and loss of military personnel. If terrorism is sponsored singularly by Pakistan’s intelligence networks, then it would be irrational to believe that the military attacks its own installations.


There seem to be few takers of Pakistan’s position as a “victim of terrorism.” The facts, however, cannot be brushed aside. More than 80,000 Pakistanis, including 6,300 or more security personnel, have been killed during the past decade.


The reality is that the militias since the Afghan jihad have fragmented, made further worse by the Al Qaeda’s operations for more than a decade. Pakistan is fighting this menace—mostly a result of continued regional conflict and its past security policies—and trying to eliminate these networks. Official statements from Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif and the military leadership, led by Army chief General Raheel Sharif, have indicated that the erstwhile distinction between good and bad Taliban no longer stands. Skepticism has been aired about these pronouncements since much more needs to be done to undo the militant infrastructure. But Pakistan is moving in that direction. In recent months, the state has eliminated the LeJ leadership, and several groups that comprise the Pakistani Taliban.




On top of that, Sharif would not have fixed an informal meeting with Modi without taking the military into confidence. He has avoided direct confrontation with the military in his third tenure. Reuters, citing security sources, had reported in December that the military paved the way for reviving stalled India-Pakistan dialogue process. The appointment of a retired general as national security advisor (NSA) provides the military a direct stake in the dialogue with India.




The rogue elements within the security apparatus that aided terror groups in the past have not gone unnoticed. Attacks on Pakistan’s military, and even the former president Musharraf, have happened with collusion at lower levels. But it is too early to conclude in that direction. Also, things have changed since 2008 Mumbai attacks. The incentive to escalate conflict with India is perhaps at its lowest—not because there has been a fundamental shift in the way Pakistani state works or imagines its nationalism. The regional dynamics necessitate this change. Pakistan of 2015 is aspiring for economic integration with China’s “One Belt, One Road” programme; and aiming to become a transit hub of energy trade.




Perhaps more than the West, it is China’s leverage with the Pakistan military that is driving the effort to de-escalate. Both China and Russia—tackling Islamist insurgencies at home—want Pakistan to hasten its march into a post-jihad moment and ensure that the Islamic State does not find a base in Afghanistan or Pakistan.




This is why it is difficult to endorse the Sharif-sabotaging-the-other-Sharif theory.




Having said that, Pakistan’s civil and military leaders have to find a solution for the jihad industry that has grown—with state patronage—around the Kashmir issue. How elaborate it is, and how much of it is under the state control are questions that must be addressed now. Non-state actors must not be allowed to fuel conflict between nuclear nations. In South Asia 2060: Envisioning Regional Futures, Stephen Cohen had indicated one of the “plausible” future scenarios as one where non-state actors spur a nuclear conflict leading to a shattered region. Militant groups causing cross-border attacks have to be stopped by Pakistan and India through cooperation and dialogue. If the talks collapse, it would mean that terrorists achieved their objective. This is what Modi and Sharif need to deliberate in the days to come. At the very least, the NSAs should reopen communication channels and continue fromwhere they left in Bangkok a month ago.

Source: It’s time India stops blaming Pakistan for every terror attack on its soil - Quartz

@defencepk
Indians are brain washed nation, just imagine the mental level of a nation which have tv shows like Arnab goswami.
A country with a murderer PM and Person like Doval as their NSA who multiple times have in public supported terrorist activities in Pakistan and to some extent china as well.Just recently their murderer PM accepted their state terrorism in east Pakistan in 1971, india was the first nation which brought state terrorism to south Asia from East pakistan to Sri lank, kashmir, Balochistan and TTP a group which never existed as taliban group niether trained by ISI or CIA as mujahiden to tackle USSR and suddenly appeared as a result of NDS and RAW.
 
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Indians are brain washed nation, just imagine the mental level of a nation which have tv shows like Arnab goswami.
A country with a murderer PM and Person like Doval as their NSA who multiple times have in public supported terrorist activities in Pakistan and to some extent china as well.Just recently their murderer PM accepted their state terrorism in east Pakistan in 1971, india was the first nation which brought state terrorism to south Asia from East pakistan to Sri lank, kashmir, Balochistan and TTP a group which never existed as taliban group niether trained by ISI or CIA as mujahiden to tackle USSR and suddenly appeared as a result of NDS and RAW.

LOL - sure - because these unfounded claims are the hallmark of a un-brainwashed nation. State terrorism in East Pakistan?
 
A very sensible read. And surprising that its coming from an Indian media house which has/have traditionally towed the Government line. Thus, indicating a vital shift in thinking of Indian Populace. We here need to reciprocate the same courtesy and be kind and cooperative in their testing times instead of mudslinging and hurling insults out of some misplaced sense of patriotism. Hope the sanity prevails and dialogue doesn't gets derailed.

That's my 2 cents anyway.
 
An article based on a lie. There have been multiple major terrorist attacks in India last 20 years. How many were blamed on pakistan?

Does that mean we should not blame even open cases of pakistani terrorism? Why because pakistanis dont mind killing our people but hate it when openly said so?
 
Indians are brain washed nation, just imagine the mental level of a nation which have tv shows like Arnab goswami.
A country with a murderer PM and Person like Doval as their NSA who multiple times have in public supported terrorist activities in Pakistan and to some extent china as well.Just recently their murderer PM accepted their state terrorism in east Pakistan in 1971, india was the first nation which brought state terrorism to south Asia from East pakistan to Sri lank, kashmir, Balochistan and TTP a group which never existed as taliban group niether trained by ISI or CIA as mujahiden to tackle USSR and suddenly appeared as a result of NDS and RAW.
Its in Pakistan where kids as young as in class 4 are taught in school books that India-Hindu-Kafir are your enemy... I have not seen that kind of systematic brainwashing in India so far.
‘Pakistan schools teach Hindu hatred’ - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Scientists Speak Up Against Spread of Communal Hatred in the Country | The Wire
Hate material in books has impacted entire generations - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
Indians are brain washed nation, just imagine the mental level of a nation which have tv shows like Arnab goswami.
A country with a murderer PM and Person like Doval as their NSA who multiple times have in public supported terrorist activities in Pakistan and to some extent china as well.Just recently their murderer PM accepted their state terrorism in east Pakistan in 1971, india was the first nation which brought state terrorism to south Asia from East pakistan to Sri lank, kashmir, Balochistan and TTP a group which never existed as taliban group niether trained by ISI or CIA as mujahiden to tackle USSR and suddenly appeared as a result of NDS and RAW.
Brainwashed ! I thought the honor is reserve for you and Your own media personnel lamented about the fact,the freedom enjoyed by the likes of Arnab,a Pakistani journo would've been killed if he say things like Arnab on National TV including criticizing Army and Extremists.


As for terrorism why don't you shame Doval and Modi as international terrorists by the UN,i am sure 50 plus muslim nations will support your call,and nobody except pak call those Mukti Bahini as terrorists,they are hailed as freedom fighters world over.

Official Pentagon Report

Pentagon: Pakistan Uses Militants as Proxies Against Afghanistan, India - Breitbart
 
Who else can be there ? It's definitely Pakistani Intelligence Agency and Army, but instead of our media putting blame on Pakistan. RAW should actually reply them silently in the language they understand.

It's time Ajitbhai comes into picture and show what he is actually capable of. He promised that "one more mumbai like incident and they'll loose balochistan ", may be the magnitude of this attack is not that high but atleast reply with one small attack in which target some F-16s or few helis.
 
Indians are brain washed nation, just imagine the mental level of a nation which have tv shows like Arnab goswami.
A country with a murderer PM and Person like Doval as their NSA who multiple times have in public supported terrorist activities in Pakistan and to some extent china as well.Just recently their murderer PM accepted their state terrorism in east Pakistan in 1971, india was the first nation which brought state terrorism to south Asia from East pakistan to Sri lank, kashmir, Balochistan and TTP a group which never existed as taliban group niether trained by ISI or CIA as mujahiden to tackle USSR and suddenly appeared as a result of NDS and RAW.

hmm... I got a question for you. Do you know who is hafiz saeed? He is sanction by UN. Is he roaming free in your country? Also do you know Maulana Masood Azhar ? If you even have a little piece of brain and can use of it you will very well understand why every time people of India point fingers at you. If you guys do not wake up see how countries which where simillar to you have surpassed and marching ahead(Indonesia being simillar Islam following country, how they have progressed) . Pakistan is still known to be a failed state. Unless you guys work against your own eveil, ISI and your military even after 3016, your country will still be looking at IMF.
 
Its Indian obsession to put every stone on Pakistan ,,, Why?
they are making the life of their minorities more scary at every place . their Media only showing what their Govt. told to do so, that's not happening in Pakistan. We have all medias open even indian Media also.. so we are aware of their beats as well as local and global perspectives. But the input Indians getting, are only fabricated as per their Govt. and Raw's authority. so by that whole nation is brainwashed. But in Pakistan , it's opposite as people their think's on both negative and positive perspective..and not indulged with Govt. or Agency's Propaganda. As part of the Non-NATO member of the coalition, Pakistan brought Afghan war into Pakistan, and even not that, Pakistan kept safer for decades from Taliban and Afghan insurgents and ISIS kinda things. But when India started to play foul, with Proxy wars, then only Pakistan and it's agency went in to this war. And now India and others are Claiming or can claim Pakistan as the King of proxy war.. So if you starts anything, then Pakistan's know where to finish it.
India Should also check their short comings, and fill the gaps.. if as they claiming, BSF+Garud Forces+Police +etc Force shield is not enough to secure border,,, or their Main base is not much secure as they are claiming as to become super power, as only 4-6 persons kept India scrolled and Stranded for 4-6 days.. for clearing and combing with Various forces like NSG, IAF, Police, Garuds etc.,, So it's all a blame game by which Indians and their forces covering up their Mistakes and in-sufficiency... who blamed Pakistan at first same second of the attack, then on Jaishe Mohamad, then on UJC or kashimiri Mujahideens.. and now on Punjab's Sikhs... hence it's done by India's Internal group..
...Please Check Below some links to their Own Media​


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