It's official: Video evidence of surgical strikes won't be released

[SrNair]

Utter non sense. So called footage was OK'ed for release by Indian army, without any so called "concern" about the "tactics" going out. The whole drama was debunked when local Kashmiri politician leaked how Indian army is filming the so called Sir Je kal strike in his constituency.

Do you have comprehension problem?

Dont quote me with this stupid logic

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Do you have comprehension problem?

Dont quote me with this stupid logic

Putting you in your place and your pathetic Indian logic.

 

[mbashir]

Armed forces only look at security objective. They have cleared it from that end with riders about sharing only certain aspect of the video evidence....there are hell lot of other aspects that need to be taken care of...For example...lets hypothetically assume that strikes did happen....

• World powers for far backed India on surgical strikes. There were no direct condemnation and accusation of raising the temper at LOC
• Releasing footage means providing undeniable facts about strikes which will leave no room for PA but up the tempo
• India will loose the objective of the strikes which is to send the message - there is now additional cost that strategist in PAK need to take care of and instead would be looking at more tense LOC with possible PAK retaliations that would be hard for New Delhi to ignore...
• Lastly - public memory is short. There is no additional benefit that GOVT in power will get by releasing anything at this moment. If i was Modi and ready to take all the above risks then i would be releasing the video evidence a month or so before UP elections...

In short Armed forces can't deal with a very sensitive topic - geo-politics...and they do a very poor job on that front(just check you history and you will find ample evidence)....

No need to release the footage. This Feku can show the evidence to the top leaders of opposition parties and release a press note by the opposition parties and close the topic.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Armed forces only look at security objective. They have cleared it from that end with riders about sharing only certain aspect of the video evidence....there are hell lot of other aspects that need to be taken care of...For example...lets hypothetically assume that strikes did happen....

• World powers for far backed India on surgical strikes. There were no direct condemnation and accusation of raising the temper at LOC
• Releasing footage means providing undeniable facts about strikes which will leave no room for PA but up the tempo
• India will loose the objective of the strikes which is to send the message - there is now additional cost that strategist in PAK need to take care of and instead would be looking at more tense LOC with possible PAK retaliations that would be hard for New Delhi to ignore...
• Lastly - public memory is short. There is no additional benefit that GOVT in power will get by releasing anything at this moment. If i was Modi and ready to take all the above risks then i would be releasing the video evidence a month or so before UP elections...

In short Armed forces can't deal with a very sensitive topic - geo-politics...and they do a very poor job on that front(just check you history and you will find ample evidence)....

Armed forces are best place to know and be clear about what to release and what not to release, becuase they are the ones who knows the military tactics and warfare. Not the politicans or civilians. So when they said, its ok to release the vedio and its up to the "political" leadership of India to release it, rest assured, there are NO concerns of so called "tactics" going out or secrets being out. So be clear in your mind on that front.

• The world powers didnt care because nothing happened. While on the other hand , when Pakistan did it own surgical strike which lasted month in kargil, whole world was concerned and eventually American pressure came into play for deescalation.
• PA has already done plenty of firework on Indian side, as evident on this forum as well. Infact, the actually video and photos about the recent flair up are all coming from Pakistani side. Indian side is totally quite on that front. A tell tale sign.
• Which cost you are talking about? Presumably if Pakistan is behind the present Kashmir situation, there has been few attacks on Indian forces ever since the claims of so called surgical strike with one just recently on EDI building. Tense LOC actually favor Pakistan.
• Stay tuned when the election comes nearer. However a Kashmiri politicians have already put the spanner in the works when he mentioned that Indian army is busy making footage of sergical strike in his constituency.

School boy error when you say armed forces do not have input in geopolitcs. Pantagon, dont always listen to Obama like many other deep states of nations worth their salt.

Lastly. Pak establishment is openly challanging India. Do you think these guys will be so blunt and raise the stakes this high without any substance? Ponder over it.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1289710/pa...basit-rubbishes-indian-surgical-strike-claims

Pak High Commissioner Abdul Basit rubbishes Indian surgical strike claims

 

[deckingraj]

No need to release the footage. This Feku can show the evidence to the top leaders of opposition parties and release a press note by the opposition parties and close the topic.

this concept of showing evidence to anyone is idiotic..have you seen any evidence on US claims of killing OSAMA? Have you heard oppositions asking for evidence??...anyways for the sake of argument I understand you not trusting govt. however not trusting DGMO, Army..??

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

this concept of showing evidence to anyone is idiotic..have you seen any evidence on US claims of killing OSAMA? Have you heard oppositions asking for evidence??...anyways for the sake of argument I understand you not trusting govt. however not trusting DGMO, Army..??

The Osama operation was acknowledged by Pakistan and the rest of the world, and not to mention that Osama really stopped putting out any videos after that. So it's likely he is dead.

The Indian "surgical strikes" on the other hand, only India is claiming they happened. Pakistan even brought international observers to the LOC to show that there was no difference to before.

 

[deckingraj]

Armed forces are best place to know and be clear about what to release and what not to release, becuase they are the ones who knows the military tactics and warfare. Not the politicans or civilians. So when they said, its ok to release the vedio and its up to the "political" leadership of India to release it, rest assured, there are NO concerns of so called "tactics" going out or secrets being out. So be clear in your mind on that front.

Not sure what made you say that...precisely my point is that Army has given a go ahead with the rider to refrain from releasing certain sections...so yes there are concerns of so called tactics being released, however there are enough sections that can be released without an issue...precisely why i brought geo-politics in mind....Now let me get into the other points...

• The world powers didnt care because nothing happened. While on the other hand , when Pakistan did it own surgical strike which lasted month in kargil, whole world was concerned and eventually American pressure came into play for deescalation.
• PA has already done plenty of firework on Indian side, as evident on this forum as well. Infact, the actually video and photos about the recent flair up are all coming from Pakistani side. Indian side is totally quite on that front. A tell tale sign.
• Which cost you are talking about? Presumably if Pakistan is behind the present Kashmir situation, there has been few attacks on Indian forces ever since the claims of so called surgical strike with one just recently on EDI building. Tense LOC actually favor Pakistan.
• Stay tuned when the election comes nearer. However a Kashmiri politicians have already put the spanner in the works when he mentioned that Indian army is busy making footage of sergical strike in his constituency

• That is your POV...As far as we are concerned strategic strikes is a reality and Pakistan as usual living in denial...and world powers supported our move that's why enough statements from various corners that India reserves the right to respond to terror attacks.
• So as per you surgical strike didn't happen..PA still went ahead and did enough firework on Indian side and suddenly our Army developed cold feet and not responding...that's why Audio/videos is coming from your side and our's is silent...fair enough...
• Try to comprehend the point before accusing other of making school boy errors...Before surgical strikes the only thing that Pakistan had to worry about was how to facilitate entry from launch pads...as India had no option but to make noises and rely on diplomacy...After surgical strikes stakes has been raised for Pakistan as well...how?? - Mind it no party wants to get into war like situation...Now India has brought unpredictability of surgical strikes...Pakistan won't be able to ignore/deny it next time and will have to respond in kind...the issue with that is they then can't control how India will respond and things can go out of hands...So in short now Pakistan will also feel the same pressure that India was feeling after terror attacks like Mumbai/Pathankot etc...
• Obviously that Kashmiri politician is sitting in the same room where Army is making up these videos...Also video morphing is a technique that only IA knows...Pakistan and its army have no clue about how it is done....I know it all...please tell me something new...

School boy error when you say armed forces do not have input in geopolitcs.

check your entire history of conflicts with india...you may get a different answer...

Pantagon, dont always listen to Obama like many other deep states of nations worth their salt.

Care to share some instances...Given Army functions very differently in your country you have such misconceptions...Civilian govt. has clear dictats and Army has to follow it....During Kargil our Army wanted to cross LOC and use gains there as bargain chip...however was ruled out and had to fight battle on much harder geography...does that prove anything...

Lastly. Pak establishment is openly challanging India. Do you think these guys will be so blunt and raise the stakes this high without any substance? Ponder over it.

Indian govt. openly declared that we have gone ahead and done surgical strikes...Our DGMO made that announcement and also shared that with his counterpart...We went ahead and informed all the major power of the world about it...We also made it public that we have video proofs....Do you think we raised stakes at this level without any substance?? ...Please ponder over it...

The Osama operation was acknowledged by Pakistan and the rest of the world, and not to mention that Osama really stopped putting out any videos after that. So it's likely he is dead.

How do you know that Osama died by US actions?? Conspiracy theories says that the entire thing is a farce and was done only to help Obama win the second term...Osama was dead long ago and this was a secret pact b/w Pakistan and US....Now video proofs can put all these claims to rest..no?? However the fact of the matter is why should US show video and to whom?? What interests they have in making anyone believe what they are saying is correct or wrong??

Lets use the same analogy and imagine that surgical strikes actually happened...please help me and share what interests will it serve by releasing those videos?? If they have happened(and i have no doubt) the other side already know which is what the intention was...now releasing undeniable proofs would mean PA would either have to loose its face or respond in kind...which way do you think they would be moving?? ponder over that and please tell me how releasing video proof is it going to help GOI case??

The Indian "surgical strikes" on the other hand, only India is claiming they happened. Pakistan even brought international observers to the LOC to show that there was no difference to before.

Are you aware of the exact locations of terror launch pads on LOC? Do you think if they actually exist PA will take journalist to precisely those locations and show that they are still safe and functioning so as to prove that no surgical strikes happened??

 

[Zarvan]

Waise apas ki baat hai Indians member ko pta lag gya hai k maari to hakoomat aur army ne chawal hi hain lekin bichaarey unki izzat rakhna k liye "We trust our army" waley statement de re hai.

The recent operation in Kashmir in which they took 3 days to clear a building from only two Mujahideen and building was totally destroyed should be enough eye opener for them and How big lies are being sold to Indians in the name of surgical strike.

 

[salarsikander]

This just reminds me of fake encounter in Siachen 2004

http://zeenews.india.com/news/natio...ncounter-played-in-military-court_182955.html

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/army-officer-claims-encounter-in-siachen-was-fake_163359.html

http://archive.deccanherald.com/Deccanherald/may302004/n1.asp

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Do you think if they actually exist PA will take journalist to precisely those locations and show that they are still safe and functioning so as to prove that no surgical strikes happened??

The burden of proof is on the party that makes the positive claim (i.e. that something exists or something happened). Since you can't prove a negative.

As for Osama, I don't really care about conspiracy theories. He is no longer releasing videos, which means he is either dead or otherwise unable to continue directing AQ or anything else.

Whereas all the supposed "terrorists" that India took out are still hitting them in Kashmir in the last few days.

You can't really compare the two. Even America's worst enemies have accepted that Osama is now dead. Whereas for India's surgical strikes only India is saying they happened.

 

[TOPGUN]

Because those bullshit surgical strikes never happened , actions speak louder then words give it a rest india its getting pathetic.

 

[Zee-shaun]

A nation full of hatred and many complexes is so desperate to restore their long lost ego that even a lie will do in the name of national security and integrity. Because the alternative would be too painful and might cost them a hindutva driven ultra rightwing leader who's inspired by Hitler and Mousolini and might come up with more tricks to kill Muslims.

Defending a lie is from now on their duty and we will see plenty of it at every forum.

 

[deckingraj]

The burden of proof is on the party that makes the positive claim (i.e. that something exists or something happened). Since you can't prove a negative.

As for Osama, I don't really care about conspiracy theories. He is no longer releasing videos, which means he is either dead or otherwise unable to continue directing AQ or anything else.

Whereas all the supposed "terrorists" that India took out are still hitting them in Kashmir in the last few days.

You can't really compare the two. Even America's worst enemies have accepted that Osama is now dead. Whereas for India's surgical strikes only India is saying they happened.

Are you suggesting that surgical strikes by India would have killed all the terrorists out there?? is you comparison even making sense?? Of-course terrorists are going to hit back...and PA will also retaliate in one way or another...but how is that equivalent to Surgical strikes didn't happen?? Burden of proof lies on those who need to prove something...where does that question arise in Osama case or Surgical strikes or for that matter any operation??...as i just said it is counter-productive for us to push PA in a corner...so even logically it doesn't make any sense....care to check the wording being used by Indian side...we are calling it pre-emptive strikes on terrorists and not even calling/claiming it as a revenge of Uri...

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Well good decision by the India government. If the video is released there are 2 disadvantages to it.

1. The tactics used and the path used for infiltration of the Indian special forces will become public and this will make the enemies to take countermeasures against these specific tactics.

2. It would push the Pakistani civillian government to take action on the military upper echelons for their lax in security and hence for public appeasement a few of them will be fired (with Nawaz Sharif's earlier experience this is doubtful. what if?) which might lead to coup d' etat. Thus bringing back Military dictatorship again into the foray and empowering them more.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

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