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Italy warns India about ship firing detentions

‘Weak' Italy seen failing diplomatic battle of wits with rising India

Experts say Italy's government is failing its first big foreign policy test, as the fate of a pair of marines arrested for killing two Indian fishermen risks a diplomatic crisis with a resurgent India.

Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone were deployed as guards on an Italian oil tanker under a new agreement against piracy when they allegedly shot and killed two fishermen they mistook for pirates on February 15. They said their ship was approached by a smaller, fast-moving vessel.

Several observers have called into question Italy's attempts to intervene in the case of the marines, who remain in custody in India, and critics say the country would have been better off involving the European Union in its diplomatic efforts.

“The government has proceeded in fits and starts, following a wavering and therefore inevitably weak line,” read an editorial in the Corriere della Sera daily this week after an Indian court sent the marines to prison.

The editorial said Prime Minister Mario Monti's government, which came to power in November, had approached the case with “unjustified presumption.”

“The facts of the last few days demonstrate that Italy does not have sufficient international stature to be negotiating from a position of force with a great power like India that is increasingly conscious of its status,” it said.

Italy says the marines should be prosecuted in their homeland because the incident occurred on an Italian-flagged vessel in international waters. India says the incident took place in its waters off the state of Kerala.

The Italian Foreign Ministry initially adopted a softly-softly diplomatic approach to the case. But the rhetoric has been stepped up.
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Junior Foreign Minister Staffan De Mistura, a former United Nations envoy to Iraq, was dispatched to India on February 21 and has been there ever since lobbying for the immediate release of the two men.

Foreign Minister Giulio Terzi on Saturday said the case represented an infringement of Italy's national sovereignty and on Tuesday he summoned India's Ambassador to Rome, Debabrata Saha, to condemn the inquiry as illegitimate.

“There is pressure in Italy, especially from representatives of the former government, for a more radical line,” said Francesco Francioni, a law professor at the European University Institute near Florence.

Monti's government “is beginning to feel under siege,” he added.

Supporters of former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, including ex-Defence Minister Ignazio La Russa, have called for a more strong-arm approach and some have appealed for widely-respected President Giorgio Napolitano to step in.

Far-right activists have held small protests outside the Indian embassy and there have even been calls on Internet forums for a full- scale boycott of Indian goods and of the growing number of Indian-owned businesses in Italy.

At a rally in the centre of Rome on Tuesday, activists held up a banner reading: “Stop playing at (Cowboys and) Indians, Free the Italian Sailors.” Another sign with photos of the two men said: “Let's save our marines.” Lawmakers from the podium denounced a “weak” government and called for “decisive action,” as the protesters waved Italian flags.

Francioni said Italy should have moved more quickly to involve the European Union in its diplomacy and suggested one possible solution could be an appeal to the United Nations International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in Germany.

“A European approach would probably have been better for Italy, especially by involving countries that have more leverage like Britain. India is a great emerging power and is very aware of its political weight,” Francioni said. The La Repubblica daily reported that Monti himself was increasingly displeased with the Foreign Ministry seen as pursuing “a not very effective line” and said the case had been a source of heated debate at a cabinet meeting this week.Terzi's high-profile visit to India at the end of February is being seen by the rest of the government as “a failure,” La Repubblica said.

It added: “This is the first stumble, the first headache that Super Mario's government can't resolve. In fact it's getting worse by the day.”

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Do Not Repeat Returning accused like in Cases of Bhopal gas with Warren Anderson and in Purulia arm drop case accused. Congress is accuse of Sedition forever. Change name as Sedktion Party.
 
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Italy can't do jack about it. Indian Law will follow its own course. :smokin:

For the European fanboys:

Italy does not have enough international stature to force India to give in, Nor She has the muscle to talk tough...so Monty should stop talking **** and follow his Precedent Mr Berlusconi and have fun with their white women, the best they are at :wave:

Want Chinese and Pakistani members to comment more on this issue...the ASIAN ISSUE
 
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Respect of human life should be at first priority while if this incident happens in Mediterranean sea (International water) by Indian marines then i am sure that despite all of public pressure in India and protests of Indian government they hold them until they sentenced. Meanwhile their attitude toward Indians didn't change as they think their selves superior.

I think Indian government shouldn't release them and start a court trail according to local Law.
 
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Italy has issued warning...so no more ferrari's and Italian leather for the Indian rich.

Italy cant bring the entire EU because EU itself is not united. Different countries have different relations with India.

Strongest being France. Nuff said.

I dont need ferrari's or lambo's.
 
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Italy Already broken the intentional law,

A) Law says" Fishing ship has first right of path i.e. if any finishing ship is passing then any cargo ship giving him passage and change its own course

B) If any ship encounter with /contact it has send radio SOS to all frequency and inform cost stations and nearest cost guard, which they dint send.

C) They shoot at board day light , didn't they saw with binoculars if they have gun or fishing nets?
 
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Italy says [...] the incident occurred [...] in international waters. India says the incident took place in its waters off the state of Kerala.

Surely this part can be determined objectively. If Indian waters, India has the right; if international waters, there must be precedents on who gets jurisdiction.
 
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italy is talking tough cause an italian is ruling india.....no matter who you are there is one thing that you cant change thats your love for the region where you were born and lived .....i mean they can make me the president of united states but i will always have this soft spot for tamils and india in general for the rest of my life....to expect italian sonia to not have soft corner for her italian mercenaries is nothing but utter foolishness....if they are released in future bypassing the law of the land there is only one person that is responsible in my eyes ;)
 
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Italy may have to resort to military action if india continues to act like a child. The Italians only ask that their marines be unharmed and treated as 1st class in the indian system. The last thing india wants is for Italy to come down to india and take their marines back with force, and joining them would be a country who has had a long history in dealing with india, the British.
Italy resorting to military action?It surely wouldn't if it doesn't want to be dragged centuries back.
 
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Surely this part can be determined objectively. If Indian waters, India has the right; if international waters, there must be precedents on who gets jurisdiction.
Yep, but the latest news is, the ships record has been overwritten (from ship equivalent of blackbox).
The data is overwritten every 12 hours, but if they knew something important happened, they should have preserved it.
 
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Italy may have to resort to military action if india continues to act like a child. The Italians only ask that their marines be unharmed and treated as 1st class in the indian system. The last thing india wants is for Italy to come down to india and take their marines back with force, and joining them would be a country who has had a long history in dealing with india, the British.
except british and french, other european powers do not have much resource to fight a war away from their country. And british will avoid a war till they get an aircraft carrier. :)

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There are violent protests happening in Italy as we speak. It is totally bankrupt. It is in financial and debt collapse and cant even raise its finger on the trigger right now. If they do anything stupid they would be chucked out of EU as greece. EU is getting serious under control of Merkel.
 
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funny-Berlusconi-laughing-Italy.jpg

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Yep, but the latest news is, the ships record has been overwritten (from ship equivalent of blackbox).
The data is overwritten every 12 hours, but if they knew something important happened, they should have preserved it.

That sounds ridiculous, although I do believe you. In fact, I was watching a program about the level of serious crime, including rape and murder, on cruise ships and how nobody, not even the FBI, ever bothers to investigate.
 
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